[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
— with little or no effort the willfully ignorant will goose step as directed.[/quote]
The Jelly Donut pauses only to shine his boots.[/quote]
Naja. Yes, and to refute your conviction that three regional hegemons existed during the Cold War.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
“Corpses” displayed for the foreign press rise:
Are zombies the new Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas secret weapon? [/quote]
Thanks to the ‘world’s most moral military’ the Palestinians do not lack for corpses.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bistro, seriously, you took the time to comment on a video that you didn’t watch? What would your professors say to that?[/quote]
Ah, more anti-intellectualism. Why so much contempt toward the academy? [/quote]
Those who can’t, teach.[/quote]
What about those who worked in NASA for over 20(I think) years as an aerospace engineer and then decided to go teach at a high school?
(This was one of the teachers at my high school, btw. Dude led the robotics team and was quite popular)
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
“Corpses” displayed for the foreign press rise:
Are zombies the new Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas secret weapon? [/quote]
Thanks to the ‘world’s most moral military’ the Palestinians do not lack for corpses.[/quote]
What circus are in you in clown boy?
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
“Corpses” displayed for the foreign press rise:
Are zombies the new Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas secret weapon? [/quote]
Thanks to the ‘world’s most moral military’ the Palestinians do not lack for corpses.[/quote]
What circus are in you in clown boy?
[/quote]
Do you dispute that the IDF have been slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
“Corpses” displayed for the foreign press rise:
Are zombies the new Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas secret weapon? [/quote]
Thanks to the ‘world’s most moral military’ the Palestinians do not lack for corpses.[/quote]
What circus are in you in clown boy?
[/quote]
Do you dispute that the IDF have been slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza?[/quote]
In the context of your ridiculous postings, yes.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
“Corpses” displayed for the foreign press rise:
Are zombies the new Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas secret weapon? [/quote]
Thanks to the ‘world’s most moral military’ the Palestinians do not lack for corpses.[/quote]
What circus are in you in clown boy?
[/quote]
Do you dispute that the IDF have been slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza?[/quote]
In the context of your ridiculous postings, yes.
[/quote]
He did not watch the video…C-Dub
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
“Corpses” displayed for the foreign press rise:
Are zombies the new Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas secret weapon? [/quote]
Thanks to the ‘world’s most moral military’ the Palestinians do not lack for corpses.[/quote]
What circus are in you in clown boy?
[/quote]
Do you dispute that the IDF have been slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza?[/quote]
In the context of your ridiculous postings, yes.
[/quote]
He did not watch the video…C-Dub[/quote]
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
“Corpses” displayed for the foreign press rise:
Are zombies the new Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas secret weapon? [/quote]
Thanks to the ‘world’s most moral military’ the Palestinians do not lack for corpses.[/quote]
What circus are in you in clown boy?
[/quote]
Do you dispute that the IDF have been slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza?[/quote]
In the context of your ridiculous postings, yes.
[/quote]
He did not watch the video…C-Dub[/quote]
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?[/quote]
Sure, but civilians were not targeted intentionally. If you can find a way to wage war without causing collateral damage, then you’ll be a very rich and famous man indeed.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?[/quote]
Hamas is 100% responsible for the Palestinian deaths.
Hamas kills Israelis and its own people indiscriminately, by firing weapons at Israelis using its own people as human shields. This is shown in the above links.
Israeli is responding reasonably to terrorists who kill Israeli civilians of all creeds and peoples: Arabs, Jews, and Druze. If Hamas puts its own people in the way, that’s just the nature of war. The Palestinian people need to replace Hamas with a government that is not genocidal.
As to the larger issue, Hamas could have peace and its own country if it swore off genocide, but it refuses. Israel has no reason to make nice with a genocidal government on its borders. In fact, Israel has been more restrained in its response that it should be. The USA certainly wasn’t nice to Germany or Japan, and they were less of a threat to the USA than Hamas is to Israel.
Not a complex situation, except to those who are intentionally blind.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What’s being said on the video? Nobody(at least nobody that should be feared-if the enemies of Israel and the U.S. are that stupid, why do we pay any attention to them at all?) would actually believe these people could be passed off as dead bodies, so what’s going on? This looks more like a protest or something than an attempt to pass off live bodies as dead.[/quote]
It could be anything, including an attempt to pass off live bodies as dead
If you notice towards the beginning while the camera is panning left, there is someone on the top left of the screen taking photos with a still camera. They would pass for dead bodies if it was a still shot. Throw that on plus slap some nasty words and you’ve got damn decent propaganda, in my opinion.
It seems to be some kind of a public event. There’s not that many “bodies” lying around. In the background there are other people doing other things. Maybe they are all running a variety of propaganda pieces[/quote]
You can google this story. Basically, they busted the BBC and AP trying to pass off still photos of this as civilian deaths.
I don’t think Hamas is stupid at all for doing this. We witnessed Bismarck on this very thread refuse to watch the video. Him and his ilk at the propaganda networks are willing co-conspirators in the fraud. They don’t need evidence and will disregard anything that doesn’t fit their anti- Jew worldview. So, if anything, this shows how smart Hamas is — with little or no effort the willfully ignorant will goose step iAds directed.[/quote]
I have an anti-Jew worldview because I don’t unequivocally support Israel’s foreign policy adventures? Not quite. Israel is a vital strategic partner to the U.S. In southwest Asia. However, this does not mean that Israeli security policies are above scrutiny. That kind of ideological bias and intellectual laziness serves neither American or Israeli interests.[/quote]
No, you are an anti-Semite because you intentionally spout lies about the Jewish state in an effort to harm the Jewish state.
In fairness, you could just be stupid and misled, but I doubt it.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What’s being said on the video? Nobody(at least nobody that should be feared-if the enemies of Israel and the U.S. are that stupid, why do we pay any attention to them at all?) would actually believe these people could be passed off as dead bodies, so what’s going on? This looks more like a protest or something than an attempt to pass off live bodies as dead.[/quote]
It could be anything, including an attempt to pass off live bodies as dead
If you notice towards the beginning while the camera is panning left, there is someone on the top left of the screen taking photos with a still camera. They would pass for dead bodies if it was a still shot. Throw that on plus slap some nasty words and you’ve got damn decent propaganda, in my opinion.
It seems to be some kind of a public event. There’s not that many “bodies” lying around. In the background there are other people doing other things. Maybe they are all running a variety of propaganda pieces[/quote]
You can google this story. Basically, they busted the BBC and AP trying to pass off still photos of this as civilian deaths.
I don’t think Hamas is stupid at all for doing this. We witnessed Bismarck on this very thread refuse to watch the video. Him and his ilk at the propaganda networks are willing co-conspirators in the fraud. They don’t need evidence and will disregard anything that doesn’t fit their anti- Jew worldview. So, if anything, this shows how smart Hamas is — with little or no effort the willfully ignorant will goose step iAds directed.[/quote]
I have an anti-Jew worldview because I don’t unequivocally support Israel’s foreign policy adventures? Not quite. Israel is a vital strategic partner to the U.S. In southwest Asia. However, this does not mean that Israeli security policies are above scrutiny. That kind of ideological bias and intellectual laziness serves neither American or Israeli interests.[/quote]
No, you are an anti-Semite because you intentionally spout lies about the Jewish state in an effort to harm the Jewish state.
In fairness, you could just be stupid and misled, but I doubt it.
[/quote]
Questioning Israeli foreign policy now makes one an anti Semite? Did you fail to read what I wrote? The American/ Israeli strategic partnership is vital to the interests of both states. Failing to criticize Israel when it can not look beyond myopic tactical victories serves neither American nor Israeli interests. You are guilty of the above because of your ideological biases. I have no animosity toward Judaism or its followers. Quite the contrary. Highlight these “lies” I have supposedly been peddling.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
Questioning Israeli foreign policy now makes one an anti Semite?
[/quote]
If that is what you were doing, it would not. But what you are actually doing is lying.
[quote]
Did you fail to read what I wrote? [/quote]
No, contrasting what you write with undisputed facts reveals:
(1) you are stupid
(2) you are factually misled OR
(3) you are an anti-Semite
I don’t think you are stupid, and the facts are easily available, so the most likely choice is #3.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?[/quote]
Hamas is 100% responsible for the Palestinian deaths.
[/quote]
No the Israeli government is.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Hamas kills Israelis and its own people indiscriminately, by firing weapons at Israelis using its own people as human shields. This is shown in the above links.
[/quote]
The Israelis are the ones that use human shields
The evidence from the last Israeli attack is that Hamas were trying to target military facilities. The fact is that their rockets don’t have targeting systems.
Meanwhile the tactics that the Israelis used were indiscriminate and led to large numbers of civilians deaths.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Israeli is responding reasonably to terrorists who kill Israeli civilians of all creeds and peoples: Arabs, Jews, and Druze. If Hamas puts its own people in the way, that’s just the nature of war. The Palestinian people need to replace Hamas with a government that is not genocidal.
As to the larger issue, Hamas could have peace and its own country if it swore off genocide, but it refuses. Israel has no reason to make nice with a genocidal government on its borders. In fact, Israel has been more restrained in its response that it should be. The USA certainly wasn’t nice to Germany or Japan, and they were less of a threat to the USA than Hamas is to Israel.[/quote]
OK a couple of points here.
Israel started this attack. They launched the first airstrike. Hamas responded.
Hamas have been trying to negotiate for years and have repeatedly said that their charter is a historical document that does not reflect actual current policy. On the other hand Likud have never shown any signs on repenting their own hateful manifestos.
Meanwhile Israeli ethnic cleansing in the West Bank is ongoing (and has continued through everything since 1967).
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Not a complex situation, except to those who are intentionally blind.[/quote]
It is a very complex situation to anyone who is not very sadly misinformed or (racist towards Muslims maybe?).
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?[/quote]
Sure, but civilians were not targeted intentionally. If you can find a way to wage war without causing collateral damage, then you’ll be a very rich and famous man indeed.
[/quote]
Actually there is some evidence that civilians have been deliberately targeted. Even if they weren’t there is no doubt that the Israeli tactics are irresponsible and indiscriminate. (The attack on Gaza is also technically illegal not that anyone seems to care about international law.)
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?[/quote]
Sure, but civilians were not targeted intentionally. If you can find a way to wage war without causing collateral damage, then you’ll be a very rich and famous man indeed.
[/quote]
Actually there is some evidence that civilians have been deliberately targeted. Even if they weren’t there is no doubt that the Israeli tactics are irresponsible and indiscriminate. (The attack on Gaza is also technically illegal not that anyone seems to care about international law.)[/quote]
Produce this evidence that civilians were deliberately targeted please.
How are Israeli tactics irresponsible and indiscriminate? Be specific and go into detail.
I do have an interest in international law. What specific violation took place?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
The evidence from the last Israeli attack is that Hamas were trying to target military facilities. The fact is that their rockets don’t have targeting systems.
[/quote]
Firing rockets into a populated area without a targeting system is, by definition, “indiscriminate” and a war crime.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/01/28/gaza-hamas-report-whitewashes-war-crimes
“The locally manufactured Qassam and longer-range Grad rockets launched by armed groups in Gaza also have no guidance system and are therefore inherently indiscriminate when fired at populated areas. Firing them into densely populated areas of Israel is a violation of the laws of war.”
There is no doubt there are abuses on both sides, but if your point is that Hamas is blame free you are absolutely wrong, as evidenced by the statement above in your post that you present as fact.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
Questioning Israeli foreign policy now makes one an anti Semite?
[/quote]
If that is what you were doing, it would not. But what you are actually doing is lying.
[quote]
Did you fail to read what I wrote? [/quote]
No, contrasting what you write with undisputed facts reveals:
(1) you are stupid
(2) you are factually misled OR
(3) you are an anti-Semite
I don’t think you are stupid, and the facts are easily available, so the most likely choice is #3.[/quote]
I am not an anti-Semite or else I wouldn’t bother to respond. Produce the “lies” I wrote or don’t bother to post again. I believe your personal life is having you tilt at windmills.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?[/quote]
Sure, but civilians were not targeted intentionally. If you can find a way to wage war without causing collateral damage, then you’ll be a very rich and famous man indeed.
[/quote]
Actually there is some evidence that civilians have been deliberately targeted. Even if they weren’t there is no doubt that the Israeli tactics are irresponsible and indiscriminate. (The attack on Gaza is also technically illegal not that anyone seems to care about international law.)[/quote]
[quote]Bismark wrote:
Produce this evidence that civilians were deliberately targeted please.[/quote]
I can’t find the link but one of the major UK newspapers watched an unarmed Palestinian man being shot (I think more than once) during an interlude in the fighting. I will dig around some more but googling this produces a lot of random articles from previous Israeli attacks and reams of propaganda. I thought that I had bookmarked it.
Breaking the Silence have a bit to say on this as well if you google them.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
How are Israeli tactics irresponsible and indiscriminate? Be specific and go into detail.[/quote]
I will let an Israeli soldier speak for me here.
The casualty lists say a great deal too.
I do have an interest in international law. What specific violation took place?[/quote]
This is unusual. International law is generally regarded as ignorable.
Geneva convention part IV (concerning Laws and Customs of War on Land and its annex) states that the invading party does not have a right of self-defence with regards to occupied territory or people and that the invading party attacking the occupied people is considered internal oppression. Due to the siege conditions placed upon Gaza by Israel it is still considered occupied by the UN. The Israelis have claimed (wrongly since they attacked first) that they are exercising self-defence in attacking Gaza.
This does not say that Israel does not have an inherent right of self-defence - if Egypt were to attack them then they would have that right. However, with regards to the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank the Israelis by occupying them have themselves waived that right.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
So you doubt that the Israelis have killed a whole of Palestinians recently?[/quote]
Hamas is 100% responsible for the Palestinian deaths.
[/quote]
No the Israeli government is.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Hamas kills Israelis and its own people indiscriminately, by firing weapons at Israelis using its own people as human shields. This is shown in the above links.
[/quote]
The Israelis are the ones that use human shields
The evidence from the last Israeli attack is that Hamas were trying to target military facilities. The fact is that their rockets don’t have targeting systems.
Meanwhile the tactics that the Israelis used were indiscriminate and led to large numbers of civilians deaths.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Israeli is responding reasonably to terrorists who kill Israeli civilians of all creeds and peoples: Arabs, Jews, and Druze. If Hamas puts its own people in the way, that’s just the nature of war. The Palestinian people need to replace Hamas with a government that is not genocidal.
As to the larger issue, Hamas could have peace and its own country if it swore off genocide, but it refuses. Israel has no reason to make nice with a genocidal government on its borders. In fact, Israel has been more restrained in its response that it should be. The USA certainly wasn’t nice to Germany or Japan, and they were less of a threat to the USA than Hamas is to Israel.[/quote]
OK a couple of points here.
Israel started this attack. They launched the first airstrike. Hamas responded.
Hamas have been trying to negotiate for years and have repeatedly said that their charter is a historical document that does not reflect actual current policy. On the other hand Likud have never shown any signs on repenting their own hateful manifestos.
Meanwhile Israeli ethnic cleansing in the West Bank is ongoing (and has continued through everything since 1967).
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Not a complex situation, except to those who are intentionally blind.[/quote]
It is a very complex situation to anyone who is not very sadly misinformed or (racist towards Muslims maybe?).[/quote]
The Palestinian president would seem to disagree with you. Keep spouting your nonsense though.
http://news.yahoo.com/palestinian-leader-hamas-caused-prolonged-war-142407698.html