That is the interesting part of the whole equation. If a family member is aware or complicit then they should be jailed. I don’t care if it is the wife, girlfriend, father, mother whomever it is. If we don’t send a strong message with this particular attack when will we? Is Obama waiting for an entire City to be blown up?
One more point, I also believe that the father had a good idea that his son was a nut job and was planning on doing something like this. He filled his sons heart with hate from when he was a small child. We shall see but they might bag him as well.
Not the same thing just because it was his wife. If it was his girlfriend, mistress, friend, accomplice, co-worker… doesn’t matter, they knew about the (potential at the time) crime and should be treated as such.
Targeting terrorist families without knowing that information is stupid on a level that only you and Trump would actually think its a good idea. Saying that he would force our troops to commit war crimes further expands on the stupidity.
Yes, and as Maximus said, everybody has been a disaster predicting Trump.
The reason I like Silver is because he posts his methodology, and he follows the data. He draws his conclusions based on his best understanding of the data and the reliability he thinks the raw info has, and he doesn’t editorialize in any attempt to color judgement. It’s “this is what I see the data say, these are the reasons I think this is reliable, these are the pot holes to watch out for, this is my model methodology”.
Very scientific–at least as close as you can get with a soft subject area as opposed to say, physics or biochem–and I know and can analyze where he got his numbers from and how he did it. That way if I don’t agree, I know what he did and can check up on alternatives.
That’s why I like him. He’s honest with the data, he posts more of his methods than anybody else, and he also mentions things that can confound his findings. Those are all honest data management techniques, and they give him credibility with people who work with data themselves. That whole site with all the other posters is by and large committed to the above. They do not editorialize, they don’t make value judgements on partisan positions most of the time, they just assess what the data says and what they think it means to the best of their abilities.
But what if you had rock solid info that she knew and was enabling him, could you launch a preemptive strike on her then, even if she was not the actual trigger puller?
Just playing devils advocate in this situation.
Also, I wonder what the victims families would want to do?
Yes, again there is such thing as to conspire to a crime. I’m not going to speak much more on the subject because I am not a lawyer and don’t know what could potential be conspiracy and what isn’t. In the case you present, you are saying conspiracy can be proven, so then yes, they can be treated as guilty.
If somebody knows more about conspiracy crime please chime in… I honestly don’t know much about it other than that it is possible to be charged in such a way.
There are many situations where the legal and ethical thing to do does not match up to what victim’s families would do. Many fathers would do unthinkable things to a man who killed their daughter. That doesn’t mean we should allow the government to do such actions.
He did say this but I think he said it about a group of Muslims in New Jersey. He said there were thousands cheering. I vaguely remember that short video clip because I was appalled and it was more like one hundred or so.
I appreciate the devils advocate argument. Helps make sure the ground my argument stands on is not flawed. We are here to debate, not all agree and confirm our biases.
Disclaimer: I’m 10x more confident talking about domestic economic issues… I’m very weak on foreign policy and certainly need to know more. I’m fully in the “talking out of my ass category” but will facilitate the debate with my thoughts.
I believe we have to try. I don’t think if we win by nuking the entire middle east, going after their families, or killing all muslims… even if that means we “win”. I believe that winning in that way would destroy the belief in the current American/western way. I think we need to continue to approach things ethically, even though that makes things harder.
In some ways yes, but not completely. We are still here. Citizens still have rights. Do you really think all is lost and there’s nothing we can do about it?
Have you submitted? What have you submitted to?
I still feel like I am able to live my life freely in a time that is close to one of the most safest in human history. I think it is easy to get caught up in current events with our globalized media, but things aren’t that bad. I’m not saying things are perfect, but after travelling throughout a significant amount of the world, things here are pretty good.
I think we have been trying, for a very long time…all we have been doing is emboldening their sense of purpose.
Every terrorist attack of late only makes the cries of gun control louder from the left. Meanwhile this administration bends over backwards to not label it Islamic terror.
The Islamic government controlled countries that have a death sentence for homosexuality (I believe at last count was 11…100 million people live in countries that can kill you for being gay…but George Takei is worried about guns in America…sweet jesus.) must be laughing their asses off at us.
I would say Drew, we are giving them every reason to beleive they can disrupt and corrupt our way of life indefinitely.