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[quote]orion wrote:
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[quote]orion wrote:
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[quote]orion wrote:
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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
To be fair, I’m pretty sure you could find something comparatively incoherent on some rednecky MRA site…[/quote]
Or something very coherent – like a guy all but telling a bunch of other guys that he’s gonna go kill some people. And then doing it.[/quote]
O_O!!!
He posted that on PUA-HATE and what about PUAs not being MRAs and they decidely not aligning even with PUAs because their site is called PUA-HATE dont you understand?
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From what I could tell – and I looked into it pretty closely – most of the relevant material had nothing to do with hating on people like that worm named Vush or something like it (his name escapes me), and a lot more to do with some general logical threads (taken to radical extremes) that are common among many of the MRA denominations.
But, more on topic, I check Jessica Valenti’s twitter feed a couple times a week, just to see what the Lefty loonies are up to. Gets my blood pressure up. (I do the same with Breitbart.)
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Look, and this is ex-cathedra so I am infallible by default.
Your perception is wrong.
The whole notion that “MRAs” are the end all and be all of the redpill is wrong, the whole notion that MRAs are the male equivalent of feminists is wrong, your whole perception of what is happening is wrong.
I am not saying this because I desperately need to be right, its because you are wrong.
But, look ye here:
That, more or less, gets it. [/quote]
No, that’s exactly the sort of thing I was referencing.
From that guy’s blog (I followed a single link): “Logic and honor aren’t what is driving large numbers of modern women.”
OK, I would have to agree – but not without the obvious caveat: “Nor are they what’s driving large numbers of men.” If you doubt that, stroll through an Ivy League – allegedly the best of the best – campus on a Saturday night and observe all the male logic and honor on display.
But the author doesn’t make that point, because what he’s talking about is them – dishonorable, illogical them, as opposed to (we understand this by implication) honorable and logical us. And this “us” and “them” thing steps into all sorts of pitfalls, promoting, for example, a profound and repugnant bitterness that seeps into the prenominate blog post just a few inches below:
“You [modern woman] need to focus on your feminist merit badge while getting rogered by men who are very different than the kind of man you will eventually pressure to marry.”
(As if we [men] didn’t spend our teenage years and early twenties [and mid-twenties and late twenties, I might add] fucking women we never intended to marry. That’s literally what college in the West is. But this isn’t about “us,” it’s about “them.”)
This kind of thing smacks of, and promotes, an illegitimate (because nobody owes pussy or anything else to any of these keening professional victims) and whiny and spineless jealousy. Add a mental disorder to “whiny and spineless” and you’ve got a recipe for bad shit. Not that anybody is responsible but the assailant – they aren’t – but it is frivolous to deny that he was influenced by, and carried to extremes, certain logical arguments popular among certain young guys in certain corners of the internet.
Anyway, I do believe the MRA folks have some good arguments vis-a-vis legal reform. Concrete and rational shit. But the rest of it is not at all different from the feminist professional-victim whose twitter feed is full of shit about rape culture and the patriarchy. They are two sides of the same coin.
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The guy whose blog you read is not an MRA.
And he is married.
MRA, MRA, MRA, manoshpere… NO!
You want MRAs, go to “A Voice for Men”, there you get MRAs.
And they usually dont talk about this stuff, because that is not their main concern. [/quote]
Fair enough re: what that guys is.
Re: “usually…main concern”: those are fairly weak and wishy washy terms. I know I’ve read soi disant MRAs say this shit. So put it this way: to the extent that they DO talk about these things, I stand by my point. Though I also recognize that there is more nuance than I originally allowed for.[/quote]
Well, of course you will hear MRAs talking about this stuff, because we all agree on the diagnosis, the difference is in the reaction to that diagnosis:
PUA: If its raining sluts, I might as well get wet.
MRA: This is due to an unfair advantage women have due to laws and due to law enforcement procedures, lets change that.
MGTOW: Fuck this, I am going to take my ball and go home.