I’m not feelin’ this war. Do I think that’s going to stop Bush? At this point, I doubt anything can.
yes…as far as north korea…one war at a time
Why is the world a safer place when Iraq has no nukes but America does? If memory serves me correctly I think that the good old U.S of A is the only country to ever detonate a nuclear bomb against the people of another country. In fact they did it twice.
Since when did America earn the right to make other countries disarm whilst making no effort to limit there own supply/arsenal of bombs?
Oh yeah…thats a NO to war.
Ok, I’m gonna hijack a yes or no thread now. Since other people have felt the need to add in their own arguments, I’ll respond to one person’s.
Spiderman, a few things. The world is a safer place if Iraq doesn’t have nukes because it’s a country THAT SUPPORTS TERRORISM. The fact that you can’t see this is quite disturbing.
Also, the US used nukes in a war 60 years ago to end the worst conflict in the history of mankind. It also prevented thousands upon thousands of American and Japanese deaths in the inevitable invasion of the Japanese mainland. Your argument is comparing apples to testicles and doesn’t fly.
“Since when did America earn the right to make other countries disarm whilst making no effort to limit there own supply/arsenal of bombs?”
This one is my favorite. How about SINCE WE DEFEATED THEM IN A WAR!!! People conveniently forget that there’s a reason Iraq is being forced to disarm. It invaded a small, virtually defenseless neighbor and was defeated in a war by a large coalition of nations. Part of the surrender conditions (so we’d stop shooting their soldiers like ducks in a pond) was disarmament. It’s that simple.
As for the US not limiting its arms, that’s BS. There are multiple treaties and agreements over the past 20 years or so decreasing the number of nuclear weapons we have. This is in addition to the fact that we’re not a terrorist nation and have no intention of using these weapons on innocent civilians. We have weapons for self defense and self preservation. Again, the fact that you can’t distinguish the two is disturbing.
I’m not sure who said it, but here goes (and I’m paraphrasing):
In a world where you are the envy of all, to be second best militarily is to be last.
YES DAMN IT!!!
if you look at the NOs, they are most likely pussies from other countries…other than USA. They don’t even have the balls to fill out their bio…Make that weak , fat ass taints.
Well said, DocT.
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Yes. Nuke em. And then North Korea right after. Nuke em too.
And i don’t think this is a - lets go get all them Islamic Fundamentalists - I am a Muslim, Saddam has some serious issues and should have been taken care of a long time ago. Just like how killing Al-Qaida isn’t attacking all of Islam. Its just that, for some reaseon, the psycho’s happen to be muslim and use god’s name as an excuse for their mental issues. In the end, it makes the rest of the Muslims looks bad. But what can ya do, hopefully views will change once these insane cases have been nuked. Nuff said.
DocT - BEAUTIFULLY put. You know your stuff.
To DocT
If we are going to talk about the support of terrorism lets look at the amount of money that flows out of America and into the hand sof Irish terrorist groups!! I dont see The President doing much to stem the flood of money there.
Im sure that dropping the bomb on Hiroshima did prevent a lot of deaths BUT why the hell was there ever the need to drop one on Nagasaki???
I think it is amazing that people overlook the fact that the reason we are in this conflict with Iraq is because they are in violation of their treaty over the gulf war. People just make up their minds and ignore everything else.
Money flowing out of the US into the hands of Irish terrorists? WTF are you talking about? Stay on topic, tangent boy.
“Im sure that dropping the bomb on Hiroshima did prevent a lot of deaths BUT why the hell was there ever the need to drop one on Nagasaki???”
It’s quite simple. They didn’t surrender after the first one. What’s complicated about that? From what we learned after the war, we were entirely correct in dropping another one. We threatened to continue leveling their cities one by one until they surrended. They had their doubts that we could do it, and we “proved them wrong” by dropping another one. Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking, as is your argument.
To DocT
Talking about the amont of money going into the hands of Irish terrorists is not a tangent and, if you had anything close to a brain in your head you would see the relevance.
Americas war on terrrorism is quick to focus on countries that have oil in abundance but isnt so quick to sort out the problems in its own backyard through fear of angering lobbying groups and potential party backers.
America must accept a degree of responsability for the current situation! America is partly responsible for the amount of arms that Iraq has as it helped arm them to the teeth to combat the situation in Iran when Shi’ite Islam rose up and overthrew the Shah of Iran. Its all coming back to bite you in the arse now.
And of course you have the lack of conclusive evidence to support moving into Iraq. The weopans inspectors sent in by the U.N have said that they have found nothing conclusive and yet America feels compelled to go ahead. But of course America doesnt need permission from the rest of the world! What America wants, America gets!
“Talking about the amont of money going into the hands of Irish terrorists is not a tangent and, if you had anything close to a brain in your head you would see the relevance.”
Now, now…between the childish insults and your lack of any semblance
of proper spelling or grammar, you’re hardly one to be insulting my intelligence.
“Americas war on terrrorism is quick to focus on countries that have oil in abundance but isnt so quick to sort out the problems in its own backyard through fear of angering lobbying groups and potential party backers.”
Our war on terrorism (note the lack of twelve r’s in the word) is focused on countries and entities that have the intention to attack the US and its citizens. Your rant is a tangent. Get over it.
“America must accept a degree of responsability for the current situation! America is partly responsible for the amount of arms that Iraq has as it helped arm them to the teeth to combat the situation in Iran when Shi’ite Islam rose up and overthrew the Shah of Iran. Its all coming back to bite you in the arse now.”
The problem isn’t with the conventional arms that Iraq has. To argue that is to proclaim your ignorance of the situation to the world.
“And of course you have the lack of conclusive evidence to support moving into Iraq. The weopans inspectors sent in by the U.N have said that they have found nothing conclusive and yet America feels compelled to go ahead. But of course America doesnt need permission from the rest of the world! What America wants, America gets!”
How do you know what evidence we have? Had you read my other responses, you’d have seen that I’ve already pointed out that real intelligence doesn’t go straight from the CIA to CNN for the whole world to see. And, no, we don’t need the permission of the whole world to defend our nation from potential attack and those that threaten us. The arrogance is on that part of those other nations that presume to tell us that we can’t disarm a madman who has every intention of arming terrorists who hate us with all that they are. With all due respect, we could give a shit about your opinion.
Right on, DocT!!!
To all you “What about North Korea?” crybabies, trust me: they’re next.
Also, you’re a disgrace to the real “Spiderman”, dude.
Lock on Target - FIRE!
If we bomb Iraq I have a feeling North Korea will back down. I think North Korea is just play a polictal War games with the United Nation and United States.
The thing is that we need to send a message that we don’t F*ck around. And Iraq will be that message.
So why not I think its a good thing that Bush is flexing a little muscle.
No…
until after we get Bin Laden (as we said we would), make Afghanistan stable (as we said…), and deal with some of the other international messes that have cropped up in the last couple years that are a more immediate danger.
And, gurux, I’m from the U.S.
Just a quick question to the people saying yes. What has the administration shown you that convinced you that Iraq has nuclear weapons? Our CIA says they have none. In fact our CIA also said in it’s November 2002 report that Iraq has no ties to terroist organizations, but since Bush told you otherwise you believe it, right?
Also, DocT, I respect your views on most issues, but you are obviously uneducated in America’s role in funding global terrorism. You claim that we are not a terrorist country, but in fact we spend more money funding terrorist organizations than any other country.
Is everyone here actually educated to the situation, or are people just sayin “bomb’em, liberate the people!” because they think it’s cool? The people of Iraq do not want to be “liberated.”
NO to this war, until Bush PROVES to me Iraq is a threat. Jingoism does NOT work on me, I need real proof. Our nations largest intelligence gathering agency says Iraq is NOT a threat.
It worries me a little when most of the “yes” answers say something to the extent of ‘bombs away’, or ‘fire’. I thought the point of the war was to disarm dangerous countries, not to kill as many people as we can.
Wow, I get a compliment followed by an insult. Not the best way to get your point across.
“Just a quick question to the people saying yes. What has the administration shown you that convinced you that Iraq has nuclear weapons? Our CIA says they have none. In fact our CIA also said in it’s November 2002 report that Iraq has no ties to terroist organizations, but since Bush told you otherwise you believe it, right?”
We’ve been over this repeatedly. The administration is under no obligation to provide you, the general public, with all the information it has. Human assets we have on the ground in Iraq WILL be killed if that information leads to them, cutting off an already scarce source of inside info. Also, you keep quoting a CIA document from November of last year. It’s March of 2003, man. Surely you can see that things change. And this is all provided that the “report” is all-inclusive, which I seriously doubt it is. Again, the public’s “right to know” doesn’t mean a thing.
“Also, DocT, I respect your views on most issues, but you are obviously uneducated in America’s role in funding global terrorism. You claim that we are not a terrorist country, but in fact we spend more money funding terrorist organizations than any other country.”
Again, appreciate the compliment but fail to see where the insult came from. Is it because I disagree with you? I just happen to not subscribe to propaganda and tend to think for myself. If I’m so very uneducated about this situation, please enlighten me. Provide me with the names and a source of your info for the terrorist organizations that the US government funds.
"Is everyone here actually educated to the situation, or are people just sayin “bomb’em, liberate the people!” because they think it’s cool? The people of Iraq do not want to be “liberated.”
Do you know any Iraqis that have come to the US? I do, as I work with two guys. The reason you don’t hear about the REAL opinion of the Iraqi people is because they have a state-sponsored media that doesn’t allow info in or out of their country. These people live in utter fear of Hussein on a daily basis. People are arrested for crimes they didn’t commit and are often treated very, very harshly for the “severity” of their crimes. The do not love Saddam. And my info comes DIRECTLY from two Iraqi (soon to be American) citizens, not CNN.
“NO to this war, until Bush PROVES to me Iraq is a threat. Jingoism does NOT work on me, I need real proof. Our nations largest intelligence gathering agency says Iraq is NOT a threat”
Again, he doesn’t have to “prove” a thing to the general public. I’ve made my point about that. And this has nothing to do with jingoism, or even anti-americanism for that matter. It’s got to do with facts, not propaganda. Your facts are dated and some are just wrong.
Now, I hope we can continue this discussion in an adult manner.