Woodrow Wilson, Worst President in History

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[quote]orion wrote:

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[quote]orion wrote:

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Holy Shit I just realized they went out of business under Reagan’s watch :)[/quote]

All right, I think I give up.

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You are the second person I have ever heard concede , CONGRATULATIONS

I think your flaw was comparing the beginning of very prosperous era to a very bad thing that happened to American Industry due to the half baked ideas and ideals of Ronald Reagan[/quote]

No, my flaw was me underestimating your ability to tie anything which might be construed as being negative to Reagan.

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You will have to excuse me , I thought you motivation for starting this thread was to make light of my thread on Reagan. I thought you had made the connection before I did , I apologize.
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Of course it was a spoof and I am honestly admiring your ability to pin the end of the horse buggy on Reagan.

Who knew !?!

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

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[quote]orion wrote:

Na, just because divers have brought ub around 15000 cartridges of .303 ammunition, the British standard ammunition in WWI, or the Germans bought advertising space to warn Americans to board the Lusitania, or the British Navy refused to protect the Lusitania, or she travelled extra slow to “conserve coal”…

Move along citizens, nothing to see here.

Anyhow, that shitz dont matter, he did not stand in the way of the auto industry, does destroying American jobs that he could have easily saved.

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Let me get this straight:

The fact that the Lusitania carried munitions and that the Germans had declared unrestricted Uboat warfare proves Woodrow Wilson sacrificed the vessel as a casus belli? Further evidence includes the British Navy’s failure to prevent the attack(before effective depth charges existed and before radar was in use)? Lastly, a coal-fired steam vessel travelling across the Atlantic went slowly to preserve fuel? Sounds conclusive to me.[/quote]

In and of themselves, all of those would not be enough, all of them together is somewhat suspicious.

Especially since quite a lot of ammunition was smuggled on board of civilian American ships and the US had been called out on it amd had been warned that this specific ship would be targeted.

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Yes, I can just imagine the communications between the British Foreign Office and the White House:

US: Look, we really want to join in the trench warfare going on over there and ideas?

Britain: Why don’t we allow one of your trans-Atlantic liners to get sunk by the Germans then you could have an excuse for joining us old man?

US: Great idea! How shall we arrange the conspiracy in such a manner as to fool the entire world?

Britain: Just put some munitions on board as usual and we’ll handle the rest. Remember to tell our suicide agent Captain Turner to go slowly. Jolly good chap he is for agreeing to die like this for us!

Mega dolt.[/quote]

Really?

In light of American history?

One pretext after another to start a war and this is highly implausible?

An advertisement that warned Americans to board the ship yet it was loaded with ammunition anyway, two ships sunk in the area the Lusitania was sunk and Churchill provided no destroyer escorts though they were readily available and instead of going full speed the ship was went as slow as possible and received no warning whatsoever?

And then of course all the propaganda after it was sunk, all innocent mistakes, I am sure, the British could not possibly know that they were expecting 4 million rounds of ammunition.

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  1. The rape of Belgium, the militant nature of Germany under the Kaiser, the enormous casualties and the consequences of an allied defeat were some of the reasons the US entered the war.

  2. As in early to mid WWII Britain had a serious shortage of destroyers.

  3. The Admiralty sent a warning to the Lusitania advising her to ‘zig zag’(continually change course) in an attempt to evade Uboats.

  4. As in WWII the US were providing military aid to Britain and trying to keep it covert for obvious reasons.

  5. The US didn’t enter the war until 2 years after the Lusitania sinking.

Can I just ask: Do you believe the US ‘fabricated’ 9/11 as well? Just curious as to how advanced your illness is.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Holy Shit I just realized they went out of business under Reagan’s watch :)[/quote]

All right, I think I give up.

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You are the second person I have ever heard concede , CONGRATULATIONS

I think your flaw was comparing the beginning of very prosperous era to a very bad thing that happened to American Industry due to the half baked ideas and ideals of Ronald Reagan[/quote]

No, my flaw was me underestimating your ability to tie anything which might be construed as being negative to Reagan.

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You will have to excuse me , I thought you motivation for starting this thread was to make light of my thread on Reagan. I thought you had made the connection before I did , I apologize.
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Of course it was a spoof and I am honestly admiring your ability to pin the end of the horse buggy on Reagan.

Who knew !?![/quote]

Amazing :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
There is a place for Lyndon Baines Johnson the 36th President of the United States as one of the worst Presidents of all time. He served from the time that John Kennedy was assassinated in November of 1963 to the end of the only full term that he served in 1969.

The reason that I feel Johnson deserves a place in the top 3:

  1. He raised taxes to fight a war on poverty that we lost miserably BECAUSE of his efforts. Expanding welfare and beginning a great transfer of wealth from those who actually earned it to those who did nothing to deserve it. And of course as we can see today he helped create an entitlement society. As we all know when someone hands you something for free that does not encourage you to work for it. It has the opposite effect.

  2. He expanded the government in many ways including the department of education. Taking away power from the states and handing it to the federal government.

  3. Signed into law the (most far reaching) gun control act of 1968.

  4. Was the President who got us into the Vietnam war by committing 550,000 ground troops by 1967. American soldiers were dying at a rate of 1,000 per day.

I could go on and on, Johnson was a failure of epic proportions. And while I do not deny that Wilson and FDR were very bad Presidents I’d have to say that Johnson ranks in the top three worst Presidents of all time. And an argument could be made that he was in fact the worst. [/quote]

I have no problem with the Wilson/FDR/Johnson trifecta of Worst 3 Prez.[/quote]

Jimmy Carter did his best. Cutting the defence budget by $6 billion in his first month in office and removing all nuclear weapons sites and as many military personnel from South Korea as possible was a good start. He also did well giving away the Panama canal to the banana republic.