Winning in Iraq!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]JeffR wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Bill Maher said it best:

“Don’t I want America to win? Are we talking about a war between Sunnis and Shiites, or the Winter Olympics? I thought we wanted democracy to win. 103 Americans died in Iraq last month. Was that winning? Would 1000 be a blow out? Also, didn’t we already win? I remember reading about it on an aircraft carrier.”

Thanks, dem. Figures you’d quote that clown.

For the 1,000,000,000 time, Bush declared victory over the Iraqi Military.

JeffR

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You and Bush are birds of a feather…

LOSERS!

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
For the 1,000,000,000 time, Bush declared victory over the Iraqi Military.[/quote]

Why didn’t the banner read “1st Mission Accomplished” or “The First of Many Victories” then?

For someone who insists Kerry’s words should be taken directly, without interpretation, you sure are willing to wiggle and interpret for little Dubya, aren’t ya?

And for the record, he disbanded the army and made available thousands of armed, pissed off guys for the insurgency and the militias.

That military you so smugly declared victory over? You’re still fighting them, genius. They’re just out of uniform.

Clown.

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pookie and marm:

You two bore me.

I’m sorry, but, it’s come to that.

Instead of listening to headlines, FOR ONCE think about what you are saying.

For INSTANCE, “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.”

You guys have twisted that to suit your own purposes.

Please tell me, did Bush say the fight for Iraq was over? Did he say combat was over?

I’m not going to wait for your answer because you aren’t adult enough to answer it.

The answer is no.

Here is some text from what he said THAT DAY ABOARD THE LINCOLN.

“We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous”

Want me to translate that for you?

Does that mean that the fighting or the danger is over?

More?

“And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.”

Does that equal the conflict is over?

Engaged—securing equals still need to do fighting.

To head you nitwits off at the pass, I’ll insert his opening sentence “Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended”

You and your sweaty, little pals take that as literally meaning, no more combat. MAJOR COMBAT OPERATIONS means (and he has repeated this 1,000,000 times after), fighting against a convential force.

Now, you can piss and moan about whether we should have let him continue to develop his weapons programs, bribe the u.n., harbor terrorists, do bin laden’s p.r. work but, would you kindly put an end to the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED crap.

For a party that constantly pats itself on the back about the ability to “understand nuance,” you sure are freakin’ dense.

JeffR

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Why didn’t the banner read “1st Mission Accomplished” or “The First of Many Victories” then?[/quote]

How about, “Hey democrats, the convential forces have been defeated but there is combat that will occur in the future. We need to win in Iraq.”

That makes a nice, head off the morons off at the pass slogan.

I cannot tell you WHAT the person writing the sign was thinking. I can only assume that the person making the sign figured that people could tell the difference between fighting convential forces (IRAQI MILITARY UNITS) and an insurgency.

Silly him.

Oh, pookie, I’ll let you read the words that Bush spoke on that day and tell me whether HE THOUGHT AT THE TIME THAT THE FIGHT WAS OVER.

"We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We are pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime, who will be held to account for their crimes. We have begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. We are helping to rebuild Iraq, where the dictator built palaces for himself, instead of hospitals and schools. And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people. The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. And then we will leave ? and we will leave behind a free Iraq.

The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001, and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men ? the shock troops of a hateful ideology ? gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the “beginning of the end of America.” By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation’s resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed."

From these words, it is clear to anyone with a functioning brainstem that Bush anticipated a drawn out affair.

If he said at the time, “WE’VE WON IN IRAQ AND WE ARE LEAVING A COMPLETELY STABLE DEMOCRACY, TODAY.”

THEN, HE WOULD HAVE EGG ON HIS FACE.

I cannot be more clear. Conversely, you cannot possibly be more mistaken as to the intent and the actual words spoken on that day.

Again, it’s sad to have to explain this to people who think that Bush is “unsophisticated” and “unable to understand nuance.”

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
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Jeff’s right on this one. The “Mission Accomplished” banner was put up by the military anyway. It makes for an easy punchline but it distracts from more important issues that followed that day. (i.e. the lack of sufficient planning and leadership to handle looting, revenge killings, the influx of foreign terrorists, and the sectarian violence that led the country towards civil war while destabilizing the region and elevating Iran’s power and influence)

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Yup, he’s right.

I still got him to go on for two posts about it.

He he. A clown with easily pushable buttons. I love it.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Yup, he’s right.

I still got him to go on for two posts about it.

He he. A clown with easily pushable buttons. I love it.

:slight_smile:
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Michael: That’s pookie talk for, Jeff was correct.

One wonders what this board would be like if people were more willing to admit error.

I would guess the dialogue would improve dramatically.

JeffR

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Not so fast!

I’m no convinced Jerffy is correct on this one either.

All you have to do is read whathisface’s recent book to get a bit more of a scoop on how and why the banner was put up… and how speeches were changed but the banner didn’t get taken down.

Alternately, all you have to do is look at actions after that little party, and see whether or not everyone was a little flat footed and unprepared to deal with the aftermath, because they figured the mission was accomplished.

Ah well. It’s good to win all the time, so, let’s keep on winning!

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
The funny thing is that the Military isn’t even close to losing. The Jihadist recognize this. Their war is waged upon the minds of the American public. They know they can’t defeat us militarily. Its the soft, well fed, trendy clothing wearing, short attention span american public they have to defeat. That’s easy enough.[/quote]

Yeah and that is just what the main stream media is doing…

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
One wonders what this board would be like if people were more willing to admit error.[/quote]

Posted, ironically, in a thread called “Winning in Iraq!!!”

Well Jeff, we’re waiting…

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that mission accomplished party they threw was retarded. that lame excuse about “oh the military put up the banner” is even more so and simply evidence of back peddling. try putting up a banner @ any of the president’s appearances, no matter how connected you are, and see how far you get. even further back peddling is the fact that they haven’t thrown any more parties since then. if mission accomplshed was merely a celebration of the 1st important step on the road to victory, then where is the 2nd step ? and , more importantly where is the PARTY ? I WANT MORE PARTIES !!!

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Who cares about the “Mission Accomplished” event? It was simply a PR stunt. Something to make Americans feel good about supporting a war many felt conflicted about.

Whether they really believed the job was done or not (I don’t think they did); the whole event was not a statement of policy or an official mission debrief. It was a PR event to bolster public support for the operations in Iraq.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Who cares about the “Mission Accomplished” event? It was simply a PR stunt. Something to make Americans feel good about supporting a war many felt conflicted about.

Whether they really believed the job was done or not (I don’t think they did); the whole event was not a statement of policy or an official mission debrief. It was a PR event to bolster public support for the operations in Iraq.

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so you wouldn’t like more parties ?