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Beans: It is worth noting that there is a significant faction who say the exact opposite-the Obama would have been seen as conservative not so long ago (Ex: Romneycare === liberal now). Not saying I agree with either opinion, frankly I think times, situations, and knowledge available change enough to warrant independent judgement.

For the record, BOTH parties suck at bipartisanship recently. There is a reason Congress’ approval rating is awful. Filibusters personally make me want to vomit in disgust.

Completely unhinged…

[quote]CornSprint wrote:
Beans: It is worth noting that there is a significant faction who say the exact opposite-the Obama would have been seen as conservative not so long ago (Ex: Romneycare === liberal now). Not saying I agree with either opinion,[/quote]

Obamacare wasn’t written by him. It was written by lobbyists and is rife with backroom deals and hidden ass raping.

Look the major difference between romneycare and obamacare is one is at the state level, and 60 years ago both would have been laughed off the floor of any legislature. I could move to NH without much trouble. I can’t move out of the US.

I mean, I get what you are saying, and maybe I’m resisting “good” change, but I doubt it.

I would like to hear anyone put forth a non-laughable argument that claims obama is a “righty”, it just isn’t the case. A “righty” would never, ever, not in his wildest dreams, delivered the “you didn’t build that” speech in a way that could have been confused by anyone the way obama’s was.

Mufasa is gonna hate me for this, but…

The thing is man, we are bombarded with leftist narrative for decades now. Look at what Lucas did to Star Wars. Bill Whittle has a great fucking video on this:

This is what I’m talking about. The world has slanted so left… Hollywood, media, TV, everything. Fucking everything.

[quote]For the record, BOTH parties suck at bipartisanship recently. There is a reason Congress’ approval rating is awful. Filibusters personally make me want to vomit in disgust.

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I may be wrong, but I will bet a mortgage payment that history will look back and be beyond thankful for the resent filibusters. The founding fathers put them in for this very reason.

People here will call me a tin foil hat but we are shifting too far left. Dude this is coming from a Masshole, a god damn blue blood born and bread by someone who is only here because their mother was a $150 short of an abortion. Michael fucking Moore makes money, therefore I know for a fact we have shifted too far left.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Completely unhinged…

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stopped at 55 seconds.

Is the left’s argument honestly that a man trying to become president of the US, leader of the Free World, isn’t good enough to be president because he had more important things to do than show up on shitty day time TV with idiots?

Honestly?

This is the left’s position?

Shithouse daytime TV is now the barometer upon which we are supposed to judge someone who is to become the leader of the free world?

(Yes I’m purposely ignoring the manufactured “warmonger yet coward” fearmongering narrative this guy is feeding you with zero factual basis to back it up.)

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Completely unhinged…

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Alright, I got to 2:02 this time…

I just… I don’t even know.

Whoopie is a horrible person and I hope she has trouble looking herself in the eye for the disgraceful bullshit she pulled…

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Completely unhinged…

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Alright, I got to 2:02 this time…

I just… I don’t even know.

Whoopie is a horrible person and I hope she has trouble looking herself in the eye for the disgraceful bullshit she pulled… [/quote]

Start it from 8:20 for the best part. This is a MSNBC host challenging Romney’s son to a fight…

Coming in late to the discussion, but want to get my prediction in: Obama takes the popular vote as well as the majority of electoral votes and wins in a race not nearly as close as some predict.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Completely unhinged…

I forget, which branch did Obama serve in…

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And now he’s making fun of a guys name. I guess he hasn’t met the Obama’s. What a douche.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Coming in late to the discussion, but want to get my prediction in: Obama takes the popular vote as well as the majority of electoral votes and wins in a race not nearly as close as some predict.

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Just out of curiosity, do you desire this?

We’re all pretty transparent here. Most of us, anyway. And I just like to have a sense of where someone is coming from, particularly in a thread about an election.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

The thing is man, we are bombarded with leftist narrative for decades now. Look at what Lucas did to Star Wars. Bill Whittle has a great fucking video on this:

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Fuck yes.

I can disagree with a lot of people on a lot of issues, but anyone thinks that Han Solo did not take that mofo out with the first shot is lower than navel lint.

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Just out of curiosity, do you desire this?

We’re all pretty transparent here. Most of us, anyway. And I just like to have a sense of where someone is coming from, particularly in a thread about an election. [/quote]

No, not at all.

For the sake of full-disclosure, I’ve voted Libertarian every election going back to Andre Marrou in 1992 because I believe in voting my principles. That being said, I vote Republican in all local elections and if there wasn’t a Libertarian candidate for POTUS, I’d be voting Republican for that as well.

At this point in the race, I think the undecided voter will vote based on 1) who they think will win, and 2) who they want to be able to tell their friends and co-workers they voted for.

Let’s be honest, the vast majority of undecided voters aren’t spending these last few weeks poring over position papers trying to make up their minds, and Romney doesn’t have enough of a lead to capture the vote of undecided voters who really just want to say they sided with the winner.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Sloth wrote:

I forget, which branch did Obama serve in…
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Difference being Romney is actively posing as a hawk while none of his family has served. Even if it is untrue there is a perception of rich white men sending other people’s kids off to die for them.

Two more papers that endorsed Obama in 2008 are endorsing Romney, and are good reads:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Sloth wrote:

I forget, which branch did Obama serve in…
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Difference being Romney is actively posing as a hawk while none of his family has served. Even if it is untrue there is a perception of rich white men sending other people’s kids off to die for them.

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Well, the people with that perception haven’t been paying much attention then, because a rich black man ordered an escalation of Afghanistan and left 4 Americans to die in Libya…

I love how when ever a republican is in office or running for office military action is a paramount issue, but while a democrat is in office people are perfectly fine with bombing and fighting other people half way around the world.

[quote]smh23 wrote:

Implicit in this talk of bridges burnt is the clear admission that our economic recovery was actively hampered by House Republicans.[/quote]

No, it isn’t. “Actively hampered” means that there would have to be some program, policy or idea that could be in place, but House Republicans “hampered” or otherwise stopped this program from happening. That is incorrect.

How do we know? At the center of this mess was the budget - i.e., a legitimate budget was needed to address economic recovery (because it determines so much of spending). What was Obama’s response re: budget? He submitted a budget every year that was unanimously rejected - not by Republicans, but by everyone. Obama was completely unserious about leading on this issue. There was nothing compelling for Republicans to “hamper”.

Also, recall that it was Obama that blew up the Grand Bargain, even with the amateurish House freshmen involved.

House Republicans aren’t “my people” - I’ll vote Republican, but I’m not one of them, and I have been very critical of the capital-T, capital-P Tea Party freshmen as a bunch of incompenent bozos.

But, no, they didn’t “directly ibstruct” any worthwhile policies from getting passed.

Most importantly, who hired these “saboteurs”? The American people, generally. Why did they hire these “saboteurs”? For the express reason to put a stop to Obama and the urban liberal Democrats’ legislative cramdown.

And, I really like your posts and value your thoughts, but House Republicans being “anti-American”? C’mon.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Sloth wrote:

I forget, which branch did Obama serve in…
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Difference being Romney is actively posing as a hawk while none of his family has served. Even if it is untrue there is a perception of rich white men sending other people’s kids off to die for them.

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Can you give an example of this? I haven’t seen it and it would certainly affect my opinion on Romney if true.

I do think it’s absurd to talk about Romney’s lack of service when the same can be said of the President. I also think that this perception is unwarranted when we have a black President while 2 wars were/are waging and Congressmen have been Black for quite a while now. Especially since they are the ones actually sending the AMERICANS off to war. I purposely use Americans as opposed to kids because well quite frankly I think it’s stupid. No kid has been forced to go to war for quite some time and before Vietnam most “kids” wanted to fight for their country when it was needed.

I still don’t understand why it’s not a constitutional requirement to have served in some capacity to be the Commander in Chief.

Damn Mothers of America…

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Sloth wrote:

I forget, which branch did Obama serve in…
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Difference being Romney is actively posing as a hawk while none of his family has served. Even if it is untrue there is a perception of rich white men sending other people’s kids off to die for them.

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Well, the people with that perception haven’t been paying much attention then, because a rich black man ordered an escalation of Afghanistan and left 4 Americans to die in Libya…

I love how when ever a republican is in office or running for office military action is a paramount issue, but while a democrat is in office people are perfectly fine with bombing and fighting other people half way around the world.
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Lol, his escalation in Afghanistan was at the request of generals there because we were being overwhelmed. Point is if we were going in there we should have had overwhelming force to begin with and not started war on another front.

Furthermore, unless you know a lot more than everybody else about what happened in Libya you are just buying the talking points.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

Question; when the President’s historical narrative begins to written; will this all be looked at as completely his inability to lead? In other words, will any responsibility be placed on the “Do-Nothing-Congress-2”?[/quote]

Any? I am sure some will, but it’s insignificant on a fair assessment. Obama had two years to govern and prioritize any way he liked. He decided he wanted he wanted his Presidency to be a revenge opera for the Bush years instead of a post-partisan, pragmatic “let’s face these challenges together” way. That was his choice. No one else’s.

He burned bridges, and not just with Republicans, don’t forget. He flat out sacrificed the moderates in his party and refused to listen to them on issues like health care. They warned the President over and over that his approach was bad - bad for policy (as without consensus, the legislation would be considered illegitimate), bad for America (creates unnecessary divisiveness), and his party (it will decimate the ranks of moderate Democrats, the linchpin for a national party).

He ignored them all in his quest. Fine, but now the chickens have come home to roost.

Obama constantly tried to blame the “obstructionist” Republicans. But as I noted to smh23, who hired them? And why? The “obstructionist” GOPers were hired precisely to obstruct - and Obama, who isn’t very good at the long game, reaped what he had sown.

Perfect example. After giving an on the record, respectful, and moderate speech about the seriousness of Paul Ryan’s budget, and how, though he disagreed with it, it provided a good framework for discussion among the camps, the administration invited Ryan and the members of the Bowles-Simpson Commission to come to his big speech on the budget. Everyone (except Obama insiders) actually thought Obama was going to endorse Bowles-Simpson in that speech. Instead, with Ryan in the front row, Obama demagogued Ryan’s plan as nastily as any Huey Long rant, and exploded any notion that was interested in a dialogue on the issue.

Ryan, of course, left furious. Even more notably, Alan Bowles - the Republican - and Erskine Bowles - the Democrat - went to Ryan and expressed disgust at how the President handled the situation.

That isn’t leadership, Mufasa, on the biggest issue of the day, and it wasn’t “obstructionist” GOPers getting in the way. Behave like that, and you can’t make deals, you can’t get things done.

History already recognizes that, and future historians will note where the buck stops.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

Lol, his escalation in Afghanistan was at the request of generals there because we were being overwhelmed. Point is if we were going in there we should have had overwhelming force to begin with and not started war on another front.[/quote]

Okay, thank you for proving my point.

Democrat President - military action perfectly cool
Republican President - murderer that wants to send my son’s to war

What talking points are those?

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Sloth wrote:

I forget, which branch did Obama serve in…
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Difference being Romney is actively posing as a hawk while none of his family has served. Even if it is untrue there is a perception of rich white men sending other people’s kids off to die for them.

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Can you give an example of this? I haven’t seen it and it would certainly affect my opinion on Romney if true.

I do think it’s absurd to talk about Romney’s lack of service when the same can be said of the President. I also think that this perception is unwarranted when we have a black President while 2 wars were/are waging and Congressmen have been Black for quite a while now. Especially since they are the ones actually sending the AMERICANS off to war. I purposely use Americans as opposed to kids because well quite frankly I think it’s stupid. No kid has been forced to go to war for quite some time and before Vietnam most “kids” wanted to fight for their country when it was needed.

I still don’t understand why it’s not a constitutional requirement to have served in some capacity to be the Commander in Chief.

Damn Mothers of America…[/quote]

An example of which part, that he is hawkish or that he has evaded serving?

He is blustering constantly about bombing Iran. I agree Iran is a problem but so is Israel’s blind eye to the very real issue of the Palestinians.

Bringing up that he has been president during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is just silly considering he didn’t start either one. Yes he is president and yes he is working on withdrawal.

I said the “perception” of rich white men sending other people’s kids off to die for them. Still, historically it has been rich white men who have held the majority of power and remains so today.

If you are going to require military service better take these guys off the list.

John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, Millard Fillmore, Grover Cleveland, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover and Franklin D. Roosevelt.