Fox is calling NH for Obama
I say this honestly, and not as a Republican, since I am not one - the way this is shaping up, the GOP has some soul-searching to do. The presidential race is one thing - and there needs to be deep questions asked about this, although Romney did a really good job individually, I don’t know how he could have done much better - but also Senate races. There were some real opportunities in the Senate, and they’ve lost those.
I mean, McCaskill won.
More than the candidates, the brand is simply broken.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
Joe Donnelly wins in Indiana[/quote]
Yup.
Democrat Joe Donnelly wins the Senate seat in Indiana, defeating Republican Richard Mourdock, the Associated Press reports.
It’s going to take a long, long time to figure out what went wrong given the enthusiasm so many of us were experiencing over the last 6 weeks.
S&P down just over %1 from it’s highs this evening and pushing lower. Interestingly, the 10 year is up.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I say this honestly, and not as a Republican, since I am not one - the way this is shaping up, the GOP has some soul-searching to do. The presidential race is one thing - and there needs to be deep questions asked about this, although Romney did a really good job individually, I don’t know how he could have done much better - but also Senate races. There were some real opportunities in the Senate, and they’ve lost those.
I mean, McCaskill won.
More than the candidates, the brand is simply broken.[/quote]
It’s a lesson we learned here, Republicans need to move slightly left, and you certainly cannot be a wacko running for office.
These idiots talking about rape being God’s will or whatever cannot run for office. Jesus Christ, some of these crazies should be in straight-jackets.
The GOP has to simply eject these said-crazies out immediately.
smh:
what beans and TB said. Regardless overall outcome, the bucked numbers don’t add up. Some assumption went wrong somewhere. If Obama wins Ohio without winning Independents it will be a first in history. And if he wins the Independents, then SOMEBODY…lots of somebodys…fucked the polling up BIG TIME.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Gonna be ugly, and a bunch of progressives are going to stand around and scratch their heads like… Wha?
Romney getting stomped in Ohio. Some grumbling from the Romney camp Wisconsin called too soon.[/quote]
I’m not terribly surprised at big Democratic turnout in Ohio, especially Cuyahoga County. But I remain surprised at overall turnout there.
Something definitely doesn’t add up. And I don’t mean conspiracy-theory-doesn’t-add-up, I mean there is a nearly unexplainable disconnect in polling and actual results.[/quote]
I’m pretty surprised that Obama has beaten his 2008 margins in even R-leaning counties in the South.
But: How do you mean that this doesn’t add up, TB? Most state polls had Obama up in Ohio. Now, you and I and most of the people around here mistrusted the polls, but I think this night is trending toward vindicating them.[/quote]
All the polls pointed to independents breaking hard for Romney and high republican enthusiasm.
These numbers are bucking that.[/quote]
Data-parsing for independents and etc. may have yielded optimistic results, but the polls taken as a whole broke strongly for Obama toward the end. 19/22 swing state polls predicting an Obama win on the eve of the election.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I say this honestly, and not as a Republican, since I am not one - the way this is shaping up, the GOP has some soul-searching to do. The presidential race is one thing - and there needs to be deep questions asked about this, although Romney did a really good job individually, I don’t know how he could have done much better - but also Senate races. There were some real opportunities in the Senate, and they’ve lost those.
I mean, McCaskill won.
More than the candidates, the brand is simply broken.[/quote]
Libertarian if I may pry?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I say this honestly, and not as a Republican, since I am not one - the way this is shaping up, the GOP has some soul-searching to do. The presidential race is one thing - and there needs to be deep questions asked about this, although Romney did a really good job individually, I don’t know how he could have done much better - but also Senate races. There were some real opportunities in the Senate, and they’ve lost those.
I mean, McCaskill won.
More than the candidates, the brand is simply broken.[/quote]
Going back to something Beans said a few times here, the ideals aren’t broken, but the BRANDING of them is. The Republicans have lost–and have been losing–the branding game decisively for years now. It’s just like marketing, and the democrats have fucked them ten ways to sunday on the branding aspect.
They need to re-brand, re-invigorate the image. They cannot allow themselves to continue suffering PR defeat after PR defeat in the poll of public opinion. This is marketing 101, irrespective of party platform and political maneuvering. I have been thinking this for years, but Beans has said it right on. It needs to be “cool” to be a conservative again. Or at the very least, neutral. You have to win the court of public opinion before you can win the politics.
What if a lot of independents were self-identifying as Democrats? I don’t know why, maybe because their mind was made up early. They voted for Obama last time, knew they were going to vote for him again. So, self identified as Democrat. Giving Obama his lead and leaving the remaining independents Romney heavy in the polls.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I say this honestly, and not as a Republican, since I am not one - the way this is shaping up, the GOP has some soul-searching to do. The presidential race is one thing - and there needs to be deep questions asked about this, although Romney did a really good job individually, I don’t know how he could have done much better - but also Senate races. There were some real opportunities in the Senate, and they’ve lost those.
I mean, McCaskill won.
More than the candidates, the brand is simply broken.[/quote]
Libertarian if I may pry?[/quote]
Too “extreme” for the average American. Most people don’t understand basic economics in the fact that nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it at some point…
Libertarian is too little government. The fact Warren and O-Bam won prove people love the nanny state.
Fox is calling NH for Obama
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Libertarian if I may pry?[/quote]
Oh no, definitely not libertarian. Modern libertarians are pretty anti-government, I am not. I think government is a good thing, even as a want it to be limited and more attuned to federalism.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
CBS calling WI, OH, and FL to Obama.[/quote]
CBS has called ONLY WI. (at this point).
Mufasa
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What if a lot of independents were self-identifying as Democrats? I don’t know why, maybe because their mind was made up early. They voted for Obama last time, knew they were going to vote for him again. So, self identified as Democrat. Giving Obama his lead and leaving the remaining independents Romney heavy in the polls.[/quote]
As I’ve argued before, party affiliation is a lot more fluid than most people believe or understand. This is entirely possible.
Did anyone else catch Karl Rove talk about Ohio, he says Romney is chipping away…
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
Did anyone else catch Karl Rove talk about Ohio, he says Romney is chipping away…[/quote]
I saw it, Rove is STILL claiming Romney will take Ohio.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Best I can tell, the vaunted turnout has not panned out for Romney. And I don’t think the big advantage among independents in polling for Romney is translating into independents actually showing up to vote.[/quote]
This fact is going to be talked about for a while, TB.
Also…
1)Very white (Iowa) going to the President and
2)Young people still coming out for the President.
Mufasa
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
Did anyone else catch Karl Rove talk about Ohio, he says Romney is chipping away…[/quote]
I saw it, Rove is STILL claiming Romney will take Ohio. [/quote]
If he’s not simply talking in order to keep Reps coming to polls that are still open, then he must know something we don’t. What is he saying??? I can’t find a watch party anywhere or a live stream of anchors and analysis!! all I have is my dinky little laptop and sketchy, cutting out on and off internet :(((
This is driving me NUTS!!! I want to see the coverage, not just watch numbers on a map on the internet!!
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
Did anyone else catch Karl Rove talk about Ohio, he says Romney is chipping away…[/quote]
I saw it, Rove is STILL claiming Romney will take Ohio. [/quote]
He is losing Florida.
Ohio is moot.
This is a blood bath