[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Not to derail this thread, but I have a related question for some of you guys.
Given that you find yourself in the same situation that DJHT’s friend ended up in, would you have retaliated on the spot while the “officer” was assaulting you as you sat in your car (assuming you truly had no means for positively identifying the assailant as an officer of the law)? [/quote]
I probably would have just drove away. If that option is out, then fighting is really the only option. It’s self defense at that point.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Not to derail this thread, but I have a related question for some of you guys.
Given that you find yourself in the same situation that DJHT’s friend ended up in, would you have retaliated on the spot while the “officer” was assaulting you as you sat in your car (assuming you truly had no means for positively identifying the assailant as an officer of the law)? [/quote]
I probably would have just drove away. If that option is out, then fighting is really the only option. It’s self defense at that point.[/quote]
One of those type of things that go through my head, when I get pissed off I kind of lose control. I have worked long and hard to keep my temper, but I have the 3 nasal fractures from fighting and boxers fractures from punching things when I was younger.
If I was getting attacked like this I really dont know how I would respond. Especially after being struck the first time. My wife said our friend couldnt even fight back cause he was hit through the open window. This was not just one punch the cop started pummeling his face.
Original poster, I’ve read your original post a manifold of times but I am still unable to detect what “crime” your wife witnessed. So you’re friend was escorted out of the vehicle and taken into custody by the police. There is a difference between an assault (any unwanted touching) and a police officer using necessary force to take control of the situation. I guarantee if he would have listened to the officer and obey his verbal commands no one would have gotten hurt.
Now none of us were there except for your wife to actually see what had happened so I can’t say whether or not the officer’s force was necessary, but just going by what you stated originally, I don’t see what the problem is.
Obey the laws and respect law enforcement and you will have nothing to worry about.
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
Original poster, I’ve read your original post a manifold of times but I am still unable to detect what “crime” your wife witnessed. So you’re friend was escorted out of the vehicle and taken into custody by the police. There is a difference between an assault (any unwanted touching) and a police officer using necessary force to take control of the situation. I guarantee if he would have listened to the officer and obey his verbal commands no one would have gotten hurt.
Now none of us were there except for your wife to actually see what had happened so I can’t say whether or not the officer’s force was necessary, but just going by what you stated originally, I don’t see what the problem is.
Obey the laws and respect law enforcement and you will have nothing to worry about.
-CJE
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I take it you are an officer. Okay that gives you the right to assault someone unprovoked because they dont goose step to what you direct them to do. Sorry sir you yourself are not above the law. No crime or even resonable suspecion was necessary for an unwarrented physical assault on a law abiding citizen. This is not 1946 Nazi Germany.
At what point gave an officer in an unmarked car and not in uniform the right to direct a private citizen not in the act of a crime to exit his vehicle?
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
Original poster, I’ve read your original post a manifold of times but I am still unable to detect what “crime” your wife witnessed. So you’re friend was escorted out of the vehicle and taken into custody by the police. There is a difference between an assault (any unwanted touching) and a police officer using necessary force to take control of the situation. I guarantee if he would have listened to the officer and obey his verbal commands no one would have gotten hurt.
Now none of us were there except for your wife to actually see what had happened so I can’t say whether or not the officer’s force was necessary, but just going by what you stated originally, I don’t see what the problem is.
Obey the laws and respect law enforcement and you will have nothing to worry about.
-CJE
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I take it you are an officer. Okay that gives you the right to assault someone unprovoked because they dont goose step to what you direct them to do. Sorry sir you yourself are not above the law. No crime or even resonable suspecion was necessary for an unwarrented physical assault on a law abiding citizen. This is not 1946 Nazi Germany.
At what point gave an officer in an unmarked car and not in uniform the right to direct a private citizen not in the act of a crime to exit his vehicle? [/quote]
Definitely not a cop, just a tax paying law abiding citizen. I know several and I’m glad cops are out there to protect us. Now I do agree with you in the respect that no one is above the law, including your friend. Like I said earlier, I’m not here to Monday morning quarterback your friend or the cop. The cop had to have had a reason to stop your friend and a reason to use force on him. If he didn’t have a reason to stop your friend and beat him for no reason then he should be fired and your friend needs to sue the municipality. Plenty of cops get fired all of the time for abusing their power.
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
Original poster, I’ve read your original post a manifold of times but I am still unable to detect what “crime” your wife witnessed. So you’re friend was escorted out of the vehicle and taken into custody by the police. There is a difference between an assault (any unwanted touching) and a police officer using necessary force to take control of the situation. I guarantee if he would have listened to the officer and obey his verbal commands no one would have gotten hurt.
Now none of us were there except for your wife to actually see what had happened so I can’t say whether or not the officer’s force was necessary, but just going by what you stated originally, I don’t see what the problem is.
Obey the laws and respect law enforcement and you will have nothing to worry about.
-CJE
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I take it you are an officer. Okay that gives you the right to assault someone unprovoked because they dont goose step to what you direct them to do. Sorry sir you yourself are not above the law. No crime or even resonable suspecion was necessary for an unwarrented physical assault on a law abiding citizen. This is not 1946 Nazi Germany.
At what point gave an officer in an unmarked car and not in uniform the right to direct a private citizen not in the act of a crime to exit his vehicle? [/quote]
Definitely not a cop, just a tax paying law abiding citizen. I know several and I’m glad cops are out there to protect us. Now I do agree with you in the respect that no one is above the law, including your friend. Like I said earlier, I’m not here to Monday morning quarterback your friend or the cop. The cop had to have had a reason to stop your friend and a reason to use force on him. If he didn’t have a reason to stop your friend and beat him for no reason then he should be fired and your friend needs to sue the municipality. Plenty of cops get fired all of the time for abusing their power.
-CJE[/quote]
You need to read the whole thread, there was also a link to a Harris county event where an officer was caught on tape beating a woman. I also stated he was driving his car with my wife in her car behind him. When he was stopped she was parked right behind him and couldnt pull around do to traffic.
So officer comes up in plain clothes and unmarked no lights on car. Tell our friend to get out, my friend says I would rather wait until an officer in uniform and marked car show up. The officer then goes to punching him in the face. We are talking about seconds here not minutes.
You stated it was an “unmarked no lights on the car”… Can you tell me why your friend pulled over then? And how the cop managed to tightly fit in between your friends car and your wifes car? Did the cop just yell out the window for your friend to pull over and he did? If this is the case, your friend shouldn’t have stopped in the first place.
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
You stated it was an “unmarked no lights on the car”… Can you tell me why your friend pulled over then? And how the cop managed to tightly fit in between your friends car and your wifes car? Did the cop just yell out the window for your friend to pull over and he did? If this is the case, your friend shouldn’t have stopped in the first place.
-CJE[/quote]
He pulled out in front of him on the road out of a store parking lot. If my friend had not stopped he would have T-boned him. My wife was driving behind our friend.
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
Original poster, I’ve read your original post a manifold of times but I am still unable to detect what “crime” your wife witnessed. So you’re friend was escorted out of the vehicle and taken into custody by the police. There is a difference between an assault (any unwanted touching) and a police officer using necessary force to take control of the situation. I guarantee if he would have listened to the officer and obey his verbal commands no one would have gotten hurt.
Now none of us were there except for your wife to actually see what had happened so I can’t say whether or not the officer’s force was necessary, but just going by what you stated originally, I don’t see what the problem is.
Obey the laws and respect law enforcement and you will have nothing to worry about.
-CJE
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There’s always one…
Anyway, OP I’m sorry to hear that your friend got tuned up by the cops. The thing I take away from this is to always have some kind of device that’s capable of recording on or around you at all times.
Remember that guy who was speeding on that motorcycle and had a plain clothes officer pull a gun on him? No one would bought his story if he didn’t have that camera in his helmet.
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
Original poster, I’ve read your original post a manifold of times but I am still unable to detect what “crime” your wife witnessed. So you’re friend was escorted out of the vehicle and taken into custody by the police. There is a difference between an assault (any unwanted touching) and a police officer using necessary force to take control of the situation. I guarantee if he would have listened to the officer and obey his verbal commands no one would have gotten hurt.
Now none of us were there except for your wife to actually see what had happened so I can’t say whether or not the officer’s force was necessary, but just going by what you stated originally, I don’t see what the problem is.
Obey the laws and respect law enforcement and you will have nothing to worry about.
-CJE
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Tell me you’re not fucking serious. This jerk off cock sucking coward cop was not even on-duty, he was in his personal vehicle and there would be no good fucking reason to have anyone exit their vehicle initially just because he was swerving. That cock sucking faggot cowardly cop could have easily phoned-in for a radio car. You got to be fucking kidding right?
It’s shit like this that I fear for my girlfriends safety when she’s out with her friends or by herself. THere are so many weirdos out there that plenty of people impersonate cops, and then when someone doesn’t believe that a cop is an actual cop…due to lack of things like badge, gun, uniform, cop car, etc. The cops usually get pissed and always use excessive force.
Definitely not a cop, just a tax paying law abiding citizen. I know several and I’m glad cops are out there to protect us. Now I do agree with you in the respect that no one is above the law, including your friend. Like I said earlier, I’m not here to Monday morning quarterback your friend or the cop. The cop had to have had a reason to stop your friend and a reason to use force on him. If he didn’t have a reason to stop your friend and beat him for no reason then he should be fired and your friend needs to sue the municipality. Plenty of cops get fired all of the time for abusing their power.
-CJE[/quote]
Thing of it is, dude, he really fucking doesn’t.
Cop is Law.
That is why I now have a PC hooked up in my vehicle, which record the input of color nanny-cams pointing out my windshield, rear window, driver and passenger windows, with two mics very near the steering wheel.
I’ve taken one too many ass whoopings from our great and brave and honest law enforcement officers to be less prepared.
Can’t help but notice, also, the absolute lack of those officers we have on the board to address ANYTHING, pro or neg to LEOs, in this thread.
Not shocking, but certainly noticeable. And an omission which cuts into any credibility you could be said to have in other discussions.
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
You stated it was an “unmarked no lights on the car”… Can you tell me why your friend pulled over then? And how the cop managed to tightly fit in between your friends car and your wifes car? Did the cop just yell out the window for your friend to pull over and he did? If this is the case, your friend shouldn’t have stopped in the first place.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Why the unmarked cars? When did this trend start? How is this not entrapment? [/quote]
I hate to hear about your friend’s situation DJHT, it really is a truly shitty situation to be in…I hope the cop gets what he deserves…
But I wanted to address this point…using unmarked cars to catch someone breaking the law is in no way, shape, or form entrapment…entrapment entails being coerced into doing something (by law enforcement) that you would not have otherwise done…
If an unmarked car catches you speeding, he isn’t entrapping you–you were doing it on your own free will!!!
Anyways, go get those fuckers…I hope your buddy wins a nice settlement from this mess…
[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
You stated it was an “unmarked no lights on the car”… Can you tell me why your friend pulled over then? And how the cop managed to tightly fit in between your friends car and your wifes car? Did the cop just yell out the window for your friend to pull over and he did? If this is the case, your friend shouldn’t have stopped in the first place.
-CJE[/quote]
He pulled out in front of him on the road out of a store parking lot. If my friend had not stopped he would have T-boned him. My wife was driving behind our friend. [/quote]
Was he in uniform, if not there are technicalities that could get him off in this situation. get a lawyer, find one that is slimy.
If it was a personal car and he was in plain clothes, your friend should have backed out and went around right off the bat,
Sorry I wasn’t trying to sound like a dick there. More advice for you and wife for the future.
was he a statie or local cop, if he was a local have your friend file charges with the staties, if it statie file charges with the feds or us marshalls, there generally tends to be animosity between these different levels and they love to go after each other, he may catch a break and get them in trouble especially with a witness.