That was totally a thing when the Grateful Dead were around, but I’m not in the know on how that works now.
Old tidbit- Me and some friends went to see the Dead over in Ohio. When we got there the motel gouged us on the price of the rooms, so we opened the doors to all of the stinky hippies and yelled “Free Showers!” and rounded up a few hundred people right before we checked out.
It created a zombie horde of deadheads in need of a good scrub down.
I have the opposite experience - I have a large family (two brothers and two sisters) and we’ve lived through a lot (war, being refugees, living in New Jersey for a while…) - both me and my siblings clashed regularly with our parents during our formative years because they weren’t, to put it mildly, supportive of some of our grandiose plans and ideas, from “how are you gonna pay the bills doing that?” to “where are you gonna be in five years time”
The unsettling conclusion was that they were partially right - some of our ideas and plans were utterly stupid and we all needed a proverbial slap in the face to bring us back to reality. Two decades later and all five of us are very successful in our respective fields and pretty happy with our lot in life.
Looking back, I really preferred that I had parents who asked me uncomfortable questions about my plans and wishes and with whom I’ve discussed these issues at length that those unconditionally supportive who stand by their kids no matter what.
Her plans aren’t stupid, they’re just small. She’s never going to make 6 figures, but tbh she just doesn’t want to. She thinks money and the pursuit of money are the driving forces for some of the most evil things on the planet, and that nobody is immune to what it does once you start chasing it.
I don’t share her opinion (obviously), as I’ve thrown my lot in with that chase, but imo the point of this whole journey is to be happy along the way. I’ll be damned if she isn’t happy as a clam.
Also worth noting, she still lives a fairly “entitled white girl” kinda life. The reason she’s always broke is she smokes a lot and works minimum wage jobs. Nothing compared to being war refugees or God forbid, living in NJ. You climbed a mountain, she’d be climbing a ladder.
There are things called definitions. You can say whatever you want and it doesn’t change them. Religious belief is, by definition, irrational. If it were somehow proven that God exists then it would no longer be a belief. It would no longer require faith; it would be a fact.
And no, theism does not posit that something came from something. It posits that something came from someone.
Also, you are being disingenuous about Dawkins. You write that he believes it is possible life came from outer space then, just after, you write that he believes it to be true.
I can see both sides and have come to the conclusion that it’s better to not tell people your plans. Find someone who has been successful doing what you plan to do, if you can, and follow his or her advice.
When I was about to graduate high school I was thinking that maybe I would join the peace corps after college. I told a family member who shot the idea down saying it would be a waste of two years. So I forgot about it. I look back with some regret. Maybe I wouldn’t have joined after college but I think if it was something I was seriously considering it would have kept me more focused and given me a goal. And if I had joined, I don’t think it would have been a waste of time and besides, a couple of years isn’t a long time when you’re 21. It’s not like life would have passed me by. Anyway, that’s one reason why I don’t like to tell people my plans.
Good god how many times are you going to have this shot down on this forum for you? It’s happened in multiple threads and I lack the energy to do it yet again but damn stop making the same mistake over and over again
The secret to parental happiness is very low expectations, loppar. Expect that the kids are likely going to end up in jail, then you’ll be pleasantly surprised when they manage to stay out of jail. Everything above incarceration is in the success column. wink.
Kidding. I hear ya, but in a young teenager, it’s a bit like telling your kid that they won’t be an astronaut, or a rock star, or a quarterback for the NY Jets. And their dreams and ideas tend to evolve. @ selling pot brownies, she’s teasing me.
In college-aged kids I think of parents who say, “Any major is fine, as long as it’s engineering.” I didn’t want to do that, although it’s good for them to understand the job market and to have some very frank discussions about family finances and how much money it takes to live. Ultimately, they have to make their own choices and live with the consequences.
Seriously, this would be really, really hard for me to watch beyond the early 20s. I don’t want to see them live with that kind of financial stress, with no savings for emergencies. Avoiding addictions of any kind is high on my list of things I want for my kids. They don’t have to go to college, but I they do need to develop some skills so they can be financially independent, not that we always get to control that.
@ the deadhead story. That was very, very funny.
fwiw, I meant she smokes weed. She’s a new age hippy. No addiction worries necessary 
Haha I chuckled when I saw the argument pop up again. There have been hundreds of posts and threads specifically debunking this nonsense. More evidence of logic and reasoning not winning over faith I guess.
Sure you do, as I find atheism excessively credulous. I don’t know your actual world view so I won’t make the mistake of assigning to you the beliefs commonly held by those who call themselves ‘New Atheists’, but I am sure if you through me some fodder to work with I can show you the excessive credulity in it. And I am not talking about something deliberately mild, but something honest like say, do you hold a Naturalistic view of existence?
And if you sick of it, that’s ok to. We can disengage about this.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Everything you just posted was wrong. Especially, (speaking of definitions) with what theism means and posits.
There’s no point in even parsing it out in any detail, not worth it.
I have a feeling you were trying to bait me so you can drop one of your drive by ‘zingers’. But we don’t even have a starting point for a conversation.
Restating your opinion is not a defense.
No, it;s the opposite of subjective.
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Ummm, two atheists walk in to a bar…
Look, your both atheists, admitedly. One of you being a New Atheist, supposing the other to be as well. You don’t know what we think or how we feel because you don’t understand it.
I do not care whether or not you went to Christian school or whatever, you cannot even delve into the depths of faith without answering the God question in the affirmative.
The things you are saying certainly do not describe me and if I were to hand it around to other people of faith, I would bet they would declare you are missing the mark on them.
Like you said pfury, ‘You don’t know me’, so don’t attribute things to ‘believers’ (including myself) that you think is wrong with them unless someone gives you something to actually have a problem with.
Now you’re back to the right word. Yes I find religion EXCESSIVELY credulous. As you kept saying in previous posts, I don’t find religion EXTREMELY credulous.
Very much so. Any conversation revolving around religion in this light always feels like an immense waste of time.
Islamist terrorists think their actions are very rational, as they’re using a different basis. It’s rational to them, but not to me. Hence, subjective.
As another example, I believe praying at night is irrational AF, while I’m guessing you do not.
Which is why I try to rely upon the words of people who’ve explained their feelings to me. You know, through conversation and whatnot.
Not if you handed to my very religious family lol
Feel free to dispute a point I’ve made specifically, instead of generically saying I’m wrong and don’t know what I’m talking about.
Sorry you had that experience. I saw the Dead a bunch, I don’t know how many times. Each one was it’s own little adventure, that’s for sure. Best damn time of my life too, that’s for damn sure.
In deadhead culture, you know who the miscreants are, but the rules were simple. Be polite and stay in your lane. Otherwise, it’s a great time to be had. It’s hard to describe to someone who has never been there. It’s a unique thing that can and never will be duplicated. People tried to create the same kind of culture around Phish, didn’t really take. There is and never will be another Grateful Dead.
Deadhead culture, if your curious is also dead. It died with Jerry. It’s just taking a lot longer for some people to figure it out than others. The music lives on, but the culture is gone.
Hard stop. Pat is to religion what Zepp is to socialized health care. Feed the troll if you must but this has been done many times and he will beat you with attrition and continuous ignoring of arguments. You can see this thread for an example which includes links to earlier threads with Pat in the exact same topic.
That’s not rational to anybody least of all them. Does murdering a bunch of people who don’t think like you sound rational? Doesn’t matter what they think, only matters what is.
Okay, well does going to a dank stinky bar and shaking your ass to computer generated beeps and bops, sound rational to you? Mute the music and just watch the people, does that behavior not look silly?
Or strangers trying to hook up to swap bodily fluids for the night?
Credulity comes in many forms.
Okay, let’s just stop then. It’s up to you, I can talk about it or not…
Not a big deal. In fact, it was hilarious. I wouldn’t want it to have been any other way.