[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
oneforship wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I am not sure what language should be spoken when some of us declare our utter disgust with the GOP, but clearly English is not cuttin it.
Maybe if we all gather together and chant it loudly, they would understand.
I doubt it. Look at the post above this one.[/quote]
You’re right. It’s like arguing with a brick wall.
[quote]oneforship wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
oneforship wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I am not sure what language should be spoken when some of us declare our utter disgust with the GOP, but clearly English is not cuttin it.
Maybe if we all gather together and chant it loudly, they would understand.
I doubt it. Look at the post above this one.
You’re right. It’s like arguing with a brick wall.[/quote]
Yeah, but brick walls have an excuse.
Oh, I get it. So this whole idea of yours was really meant to point out the political nature of both parties, but due to space limitations you were only able to illustrate your point by examining Obama’s campaign and couldnt fit in the “us vs them” and propagandizing use of fear by the GOP in the last 12 years. Gotcha.
[quote]Floortom wrote:
Oh, I get it. So this whole idea of yours was really meant to point out the political nature of both parties, but due to space limitations you were only able to illustrate your point by examining Obama’s campaign and couldnt fit in the “us vs them” and propagandizing use of fear by the GOP in the last 12 years. Gotcha.[/quote]
It is the leftist principles adopted by both parties that are killing this country. It just so happens that the Democrats are a ways further down that road than the Republicans.
And the stretch traveled by the Dems crossed that bridge fully into enemy territory a while ago and now they have succeeded in invading the Whitehouse in a bloodless coup brought to us by a weak, convictionless public.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The leftist machine comprised of the Democrat party, much of the media and now especially with the emergence of Barack Obama, is advancing it’s skillz of propaganda and dis/misinformation to a truly epic and eerie level.
Regardless of what anybody wants to say this election was unique in the history of this country for reasons having nothing to do with a man being black. It demonstrated that the higher the participation the more dangerous the results. Not because of the process, but because of the willingness of the citizens to so thoroughly be taken in by cheap old school propaganda dressed in a new suit.
If this does not change in fairly short order the once mighty United States will rather quickly be reduced even further to a shell of it’s former self.[/quote]
Yep. Rome became an empire because Cataline was going to use the rabble to overthrow the Republic.
“Promoting his policy of debt relief, Catiline initially also rallied many of the poor to his banner along with a large portion of Sulla?s veterans.[24] Debt had never been greater than in 63 BC since the previous decades of war had led to an era of economic downturn across the Italian countryside.[25] Numerous plebeian farmers lost their farms and were forced to move to the city, where they swelled the numbers of the urban poor.[26] Sulla’s veterans had spent and squandered the wealth they acquired from their years of service. Desiring to regain their fortunes, they were prepared to march to war under the banner of the “next” Sulla. Thus, many of the plebs eagerly flocked to Catiline and supported him in the hope of the absolution of their debts.”
In the chaos, Cataline would establish his ‘protectorate’.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
You forgot to factor in the facts that the Republican party is imploding…and brought nothing worthy of countering the past 8 years of disappointment. They need to get their house in order if they ever want the trust of American people again.
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Look at the numbers. Congress has an approval rating the is in the single digits.
It is quite evident that no one has “the trust of the American people”.
Now - I’m not saying that the Republican party doesn’t have any rebuilding to do, but if you think that Obama has restored ANY trust whatsoever, you would be a fool.
The left has 2 years to not fuck things up if they want to keep their power. They couldn’t even make it that far in 1994.
Nope - the American voter is a fickle bunch. It is more their fickle “what have you done for me lately” attitude than it is the implosion of the Republican party.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
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Nope - the American voter is a fickle bunch. It is more their fickle “what have you done for me lately” attitude than it is the implosion of the Republican party.
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There is quite a bit to this only this time I fear there will be a blind sycophant-ism that will worship this clown regardless of absolutely anything he does or doesn’t do.
from the first post…
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Second, since this group is not large enough to give sufficient weight to the leader’s endeavors, he will have to increase their numbers by converting more to the same simple creed. He must gain the support of the docile and gullible, who have no strong convictions of their own but are ready to accept a ready-made system of values if it is only drummed into their ears sufficiently loudly and frequently. It will be those whose vague and imperfectly formed ideas are easily swayed and whose passions and emotions are readily aroused who will thus swell the ranks of the totalitarian party.
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from the original post …
This gives us a testable claim. If we look at exit poll statistics (Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com) What do we see?
Vote by ideology: Conservatives backed McCain and Liberals backed Obama (no suprise). These would be groups with ‘a high degree of uniformity’ in their outlook. But self-identified moderates (who are 44% of the population) broke 60/39 for Obama.
Vote by education: Fairly even for high school graduates, college graduates and those with some college. Among those without a high school diploma or with a post-graduate degree, Obama was the clear winner.
Vote by Income. Obama clearly wins among those with an income under $50,000. They basically tie in the income range of $50,000 to $200,000. Obama actually wins slightly among those making over $200,000.
Personally, I would hesitate to correlate education with moral superiority, but Hayek did. There is simply no evidence that Obama’s supporters are the ‘worst’ of socety or have a more drone-like acceptance of group-think vis a vis the McCain supporters.
Here is another testable claim. If we look at the ‘envy of those better’ off, we can associate that with a ‘liberal agenda’. This is, of course, the infamous ‘class warfare’.
But look at the other other common tool, hatred of an enemy. George Bush constantly has described such organizations as Iraqi followers of Saddam Hussein, Iran, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah as ‘the enemy’. All other nations could choose to be ‘with us or against us’. There doesn’t seem to be a recognition that ‘the enemy’ is composed of separate groups with a wide range of objectives. This makes no sense from a geo-political view, since there is every evidence that Shiite and Sunni are not natural allies. But Bush’s constant use of ‘the enemy’ could be explained by Hayek’s statement.
If you want to view ‘Obama as Socialist’, you should probably also view ‘Bush as Fascist’. Personally, I don’t seem much evidence that either that a majority of either left or the right has any desire to intall a totalitarian government within the United States.
There is, as always, a need for vigilance, but I don’t see a reason for alarm. Bush is willing to give up power, and Obama is not urging hatred of the rich (after all 52% of the vote of those making over $200,000). The political middle of the US has not been susceptible to group brainwashing, so I think that we can expect our experiment in Democracy to continue.
[quote]oneforship wrote:
If you’re insulted by this, get thicker skin.[/quote]