Why Do We Even Work?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It has nothing to do with jobs or working.

You have people who are bright, intelligent and creative. When they go to college they are thinking about earning a living, having a career, etc., and proceed accordingly. Instead, they shouldn’t have to worry about earning a living but rather they should focus on keeping an open mind and learning as much as they can about as many things as they can. He is talking about the innovators, inventors and visionaries. Obviously some, or many, will have to “earn a living” but in order for us to bring out the potential of those who are capable of creating innovations we need to remove the shackles of having to think about earning a living before they even have had a chance to realize that potential. [/quote]

You got that from this one quote?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]

Why does “compensation” exist? You simply do b/c of the intrinsic value it adds to the world. And you can’t say that wouldn’t work b/c there are real world examples, currently and historically, of it working.

The way the world exists today exists by specific design.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It has nothing to do with jobs or working.

You have people who are bright, intelligent and creative. When they go to college they are thinking about earning a living, having a career, etc., and proceed accordingly. Instead, they shouldn’t have to worry about earning a living but rather they should focus on keeping an open mind and learning as much as they can about as many things as they can. He is talking about the innovators, inventors and visionaries. Obviously some, or many, will have to “earn a living” but in order for us to bring out the potential of those who are capable of creating innovations we need to remove the shackles of having to think about earning a living before they even have had a chance to realize that potential. [/quote]

You got that from this one quote?[/quote]
It’s not that hard if you know who said it. That’s the problem; no one knows who Fuller is even though he was deemed important enough to be on a postage stamp.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]

Why does “compensation” exist? You simply do b/c of the intrinsic value it adds to the world. And you can’t say that wouldn’t work b/c there are real world examples, currently and historically, of it working.

The way the world exists today exists by specific design.[/quote]

Subsistence living tribes and communism?

Yeah, those were a smashing success.

Lets ask Dr. Matt about that.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.”

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It has nothing to do with jobs or working.

You have people who are bright, intelligent and creative. When they go to college they are thinking about earning a living, having a career, etc., and proceed accordingly. Instead, they shouldn’t have to worry about earning a living but rather they should focus on keeping an open mind and learning as much as they can about as many things as they can. He is talking about the innovators, inventors and visionaries. Obviously some, or many, will have to “earn a living” but in order for us to bring out the potential of those who are capable of creating innovations we need to remove the shackles of having to think about earning a living before they even have had a chance to realize that potential. [/quote]

You got that from this one quote?[/quote]
It’s not that hard if you know who said it. That’s the problem; no one knows who Fuller is even though he was deemed important enough to be on a postage stamp. [/quote]

That’s my bad then. I do not know who he is. I had never heard of him until yesterday actually.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It has nothing to do with jobs or working.

You have people who are bright, intelligent and creative. When they go to college they are thinking about earning a living, having a career, etc., and proceed accordingly. Instead, they shouldn’t have to worry about earning a living but rather they should focus on keeping an open mind and learning as much as they can about as many things as they can. He is talking about the innovators, inventors and visionaries. Obviously some, or many, will have to “earn a living” but in order for us to bring out the potential of those who are capable of creating innovations we need to remove the shackles of having to think about earning a living before they even have had a chance to realize that potential. [/quote]

You got that from this one quote?[/quote]
It’s not that hard if you know who said it. That’s the problem; no one knows who Fuller is even though he was deemed important enough to be on a postage stamp. [/quote]

That’s my bad then. I do not know who he is. I had never heard of him until yesterday actually.[/quote]

I linked to the origin of the quote at the top of the page.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It has nothing to do with jobs or working.

You have people who are bright, intelligent and creative. When they go to college they are thinking about earning a living, having a career, etc., and proceed accordingly. Instead, they shouldn’t have to worry about earning a living but rather they should focus on keeping an open mind and learning as much as they can about as many things as they can. He is talking about the innovators, inventors and visionaries. Obviously some, or many, will have to “earn a living” but in order for us to bring out the potential of those who are capable of creating innovations we need to remove the shackles of having to think about earning a living before they even have had a chance to realize that potential. [/quote]

You got that from this one quote?[/quote]
It’s not that hard if you know who said it. That’s the problem; no one knows who Fuller is even though he was deemed important enough to be on a postage stamp. [/quote]

That’s my bad then. I do not know who he is. I had never heard of him until yesterday actually.[/quote]
It’s nothing to be ashamed about. It says more about the country as a whole. People like him don’t get reality shows.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
It has nothing to do with jobs or working.

You have people who are bright, intelligent and creative. When they go to college they are thinking about earning a living, having a career, etc., and proceed accordingly. Instead, they shouldn’t have to worry about earning a living but rather they should focus on keeping an open mind and learning as much as they can about as many things as they can. He is talking about the innovators, inventors and visionaries. Obviously some, or many, will have to “earn a living” but in order for us to bring out the potential of those who are capable of creating innovations we need to remove the shackles of having to think about earning a living before they even have had a chance to realize that potential. [/quote]

You got that from this one quote?[/quote]
It’s not that hard if you know who said it. That’s the problem; no one knows who Fuller is even though he was deemed important enough to be on a postage stamp. [/quote]

That’s my bad then. I do not know who he is. I had never heard of him until yesterday actually.[/quote]
It’s nothing to be ashamed about. It says more about the country as a whole. People like him don’t get reality shows. [/quote]

True story.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

[/quote]

This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

[/quote]

This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right? [/quote]

I would argue that without artificial wealth re-distribution (i.e. taxes and/or legislation used to create jobs which in of themselves would not have intrinsic value), items such as iPads wouldn’t exist. Such items have little to no benefit to the betterment of human kind. If anything, it enslaves us even further.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

[/quote]

This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right? [/quote]

I would argue that without artificial wealth re-distribution (i.e. taxes and/or legislation used to create jobs which in of themselves would not have intrinsic value), items such as iPads wouldn’t exist. Such items have little to no benefit to the betterment of human kind. If anything, it enslaves us even further.[/quote]

How about the light bulb?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

[/quote]

This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right? [/quote]

Nah. We could barter too. Then I could trade a bushel of wheat for that I-pad. I got the wheat from the farmer who needed the auger on his combine fixed.

Then that thinker can figure out what to do with a billion bushels of wheat.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

[/quote]

This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right? [/quote]

I would argue that without artificial wealth re-distribution (i.e. taxes and/or legislation used to create jobs which in of themselves would not have intrinsic value), items such as iPads wouldn’t exist. Such items have little to no benefit to the betterment of human kind. If anything, it enslaves us even further.[/quote]

How about the light bulb? [/quote]

Easy.

“Hey guys, I’ve discovered how to utilize electricity and provide us with light in a simple and effective manner. Let’s get together and figure out how to mass product this shit for everyone.”

Identify people and resources you’d need to product said light bulb, including everything you would need to mine the metal, process the metal, make the machines, ensure enough people to feed those people producing the light bulb.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

[/quote]

This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right? [/quote]

I would argue that without artificial wealth re-distribution (i.e. taxes and/or legislation used to create jobs which in of themselves would not have intrinsic value), items such as iPads wouldn’t exist. Such items have little to no benefit to the betterment of human kind. If anything, it enslaves us even further.[/quote]

How about the light bulb? [/quote]

Easy.

“Hey guys, I’ve discovered how to utilize electricity and provide us with light in a simple and effective manner. Let’s get together and figure out how to mass product this shit for everyone.”

Identify people and resources you’d need to product said light bulb, including everything you would need to mine the metal, process the metal, make the machines, ensure enough people to feed those people producing the light bulb. [/quote]

How do you determine who has to “work” to produce light bulbs for all and who gets to be lazy?

How about where a light bulb get’s screwed in?

How about food production? How about in door plumbing, hot water heaters, ovens, cars, oil, etc…?

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

[/quote]
That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

[/quote]

This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right? [/quote]

I would argue that without artificial wealth re-distribution (i.e. taxes and/or legislation used to create jobs which in of themselves would not have intrinsic value), items such as iPads wouldn’t exist. Such items have little to no benefit to the betterment of human kind. If anything, it enslaves us even further.[/quote]

How about the light bulb? [/quote]

Easy.

“Hey guys, I’ve discovered how to utilize electricity and provide us with light in a simple and effective manner. Let’s get together and figure out how to mass product this shit for everyone.”

Identify people and resources you’d need to product said light bulb, including everything you would need to mine the metal, process the metal, make the machines, ensure enough people to feed those people producing the light bulb. [/quote]

Dude! You just hit the easy button on an entire social system!

It just doesn’t work like that!

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

“Hey guys, I’ve discovered how to utilize electricity and provide us with light in a simple and effective manner. Let’s get together and figure out how to mass product this shit for everyone.”

Identify people and resources you’d need to product said light bulb, including everything you would need to mine the metal, process the metal, make the machines, ensure enough people to feed those people producing the light bulb. [/quote]

Can you give an example of this, in the history of humankind, ever working for large populations?

Are there ANY animals, in large populations, that this works for?

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On the other hand, when things work well in the Military it’s because it acts as a cooperative. When I think back, the capitalistic aspects were the things that bugged me most about the military, the collectivism rocked, and worked. [/quote]

Ok, collectivism rocks in the military.

Now lets say you have all of this experience and through diligence, knowledge, and a love of aircraft maintenance you start a company. It becomes successful due to your managerial prowess and distinct perspective and you have contracts with every major air carrier in the US.

You deserve to be compensated for that, right?

How about No. Every dime you make goes into a collective made of every dime everybody else makes, then gets distributed among the entire population. Your model gets copied and distributed regionally to anybody else who wants to use it and you have no ability to franchise because there are no intellectual property rights. It is a collective.

Sound Utopian?

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That conclusion has nothing to do with the quote however. What does have to with the quote is the idea that someone would start a company rather than simply settle for “earning a living.” [/quote]

According to your interpretation of it. I understand the element of inspired free thinking, but how do you rectify that with the proposition that 1 persons work product of thought should somehow support 9,999 other people?

What is in it for the thinker?

As a previous poster said, our society is constructed the way it is for good reason, and people who develop technologies and advance our fundamental understanding of the universe are well compensated for those developments.

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This is where I am stuck also:

Someone thought of the Ipad.

It takes hundreds/thousands to assemble, sell, market, ship, deliver, etc…(an entire supply chain) for this product to reach consumers. THe crux though is there have to be consumers and a consumer has to be able to pay for a product. So These buyers have to “earn a living” to pay for said item otherwise said item has no value and can not suport 10,000 people.

So, those that “just work” have to exist to support the thinkers, right? [/quote]

I would argue that without artificial wealth re-distribution (i.e. taxes and/or legislation used to create jobs which in of themselves would not have intrinsic value), items such as iPads wouldn’t exist. Such items have little to no benefit to the betterment of human kind. If anything, it enslaves us even further.[/quote]

How about the light bulb? [/quote]

Easy.

“Hey guys, I’ve discovered how to utilize electricity and provide us with light in a simple and effective manner. Let’s get together and figure out how to mass product this shit for everyone.”

Identify people and resources you’d need to product said light bulb, including everything you would need to mine the metal, process the metal, make the machines, ensure enough people to feed those people producing the light bulb. [/quote]

Dude! You just hit the easy button on an entire social system!

It just doesn’t work like that!
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LoL. I know it currently doesn’t work like that, and as I stated, there is a reason why it doesn’t work like today. What we have today is engineered to work exactly as it does. Dependency on a small group of wealth owners.

We’ve all been trained since we were little on how to be the best little citizen. GO to school and be indebted to the US government, go get that big pay check doing non-sensical things for the next 20 years to pay off the loan under threat of violence or social persecution and now your just another cog in the wheel.