[quote]lixy wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
lixy wrote:
makkun wrote:
Incest: Medical issues may ensue when too closely related. First cousin marriage is legal in many western states, even siblings if I remember correctly in some (gotta check some sources on that).
Siblings can get legally married in Sweden. And I actually don’t know of any state in Europe that forbids cousins tying the knot.
Gee, that’s a shock, because ordinarily Sweden is very moral and conservative:}
The country’s a helluva lot more moral than the the US. You see, it doesn’t go around bombing and invading other countries.[/quote]
So it’s moral to have a high rate of drug abuse and sexually transmitted disease?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
People are individuals and cannot be pigeonholed into models of behavior based on historical data.[/quote]
Oops! There goes the scientific model for behavioral health research. What should they use instead? The Vulcan mind meld?
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
So it’s moral to have a high rate of drug abuse and sexually transmitted disease?
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How do STDs and drug use relate to morality?
My failure to follow the moral standards set forth in the Bible says nothing about the truth or falsehood of those standards.
[quote]I can’t remember, where does Jesus say that?
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Matt 3:15, 5:17-18
I’m not sure what you mean by this. What does the imputed righteousness of Christ have to do with homosexuality?
[quote]No. That’s quite the leap of logic.
I do, however, have a great admiration for Jesus. [/quote]
So what’s your point in using it, if you don’t believe it’s true? To point out that I’m a hypocrite? That still has nothing to do with whether or not Christianity is true.
No, Luke 24. The bodily resurrection of Jesus by his own power for our justification. The part that Muslims say is a lie.
[quote]makkun wrote:
Here some real science on the issue of gay parenting from the American Psychological Association:
“In summary, there is no evidence to suggest that lesbian women or gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.”
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpconclusion.html
"Last February, the American Academy of Pediatrics came out in favor of allowing gay men and women to adopt their partner�??s children.
“In light of data showing that children of gay and lesbian parents function just as well emotionally, cognitively, and socially as children of heterosexual parents,” the academy declared, “courts should stop using sexual orientation as grounds to deny members of same-sex couples the right to adopt their partner�??s children” (Psychiatric News, March 15)."
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/37/14/12
When turning to the real professional bodies, then the science seems to clearly indicate in pretty much the opposite of where NARTH and their fundamentalist friends are heading.
Makkun (getting of soap box, having fought this one far too often)[/quote]
So you don’t think little kids will get confused looking at thier butt holes wondering were babes come from after seeing their dad ridding his boyfriend’s pooper?
That is quite the explanation: “yes son, I know I told you babes come from a man and a woman having sex, but no, Steve will not have a baby out of his butt in 9 months!”
I’m sure that would cause no problems at all for kids growing up.
Riiight!
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
So it’s moral to have a high rate of drug abuse and sexually transmitted disease?
How do STDs and drug use relate to morality?[/quote]
It is not moral to allow or promote this kind of human misery. That is why most countries have laws related to protecting humans from themselves.
Why do you think the law has a speed limit on the highway?
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
So it’s moral to have a high rate of drug abuse and sexually transmitted disease?
How do STDs and drug use relate to morality?
It is not moral to allow or promote this kind of human misery.
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So you’re saying that having an STD is immoral, because of the misery it causes?
[quote]That is why most countries have laws related to protecting humans from themselves.
Why do you think the law has a speed limit on the highway? [/quote]
Very often, you hear about a speeder losing control and killing someone else. Someone who is just minding their own business, trying to get from point A to point B.
I’ve never heard of someone walking down the street, and all of a sudden accidentally catching chlamydia. As such, I don’t understand your argument.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
You seem to struggle with them, too.[/quote]
Rubbish. It’s not like every thread he starts is an attempt to draw Muslim members of this forum into an Islam bashing fest.
Oh.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Fortunately, Jesus kept it in my place, so my failures won’t be counted against me.[/quote]
Horseshit. Your mistakes are your own, and the accountability upon judgment belongs to you alone.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
I’ve never heard of someone walking down the street, and all of a sudden accidentally catching chlamydia. As such, I don’t understand your argument.[/quote]
I almost caught it. Luckily, I carry my seat belt with me no matter where I go.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
So you don’t think little kids will get confused looking at thier butt holes wondering were babes come from after seeing their dad ridding his boyfriend’s pooper?
That is quite the explanation: “yes son, I know I told you babes come from a man and a woman having sex, but no, Steve will not have a baby out of his butt in 9 months!”
I’m sure that would cause no problems at all for kids growing up.
Riiight![/quote]
Unless you went through a similar experience, you’re not really in a position to make that assumption.
Studies have consistently shown that children raised by lesbian mothers behave, for the most part, within normal sex stereotypes. Researchers have observed slightly relaxed boundaries in sex-typed play (dolls versus trucks) and in gender-stereotyped career aspirations among such children.
A related concern is whether or not children raised in same-sex households are more likely themselves to be homosexual as adults or experience gender confusion. Evidence from twin studies suggests that a mixture of biological and environmental factors affect sexual orientation, although there is currently no scientific consensus on what specific environmental factors contribute to sexual orientation. A number of peer-reviewed studies comparing children raised by two mothers and those raised by a mother and a father have not found any relation between same-sex parenting and a greater likelihood of identifying later in life as gay or lesbian.
I have a friend with lesbian mothers. Trust me when I say shes straight as any other teenage girl. Which isn’t too straight, or too ghey… just right…
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Fortunately, Jesus kept it in my place, so my failures won’t be counted against me.
Horseshit. Your mistakes are your own, and the accountability upon judgment belongs to you alone.[/quote]
Not according to the Bible.
BTW, if these threads bother you, feel free to not participate or post one of your own. Also, I’ve started several threads on other topics that you’re more than willing to explore.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Not according to the Bible.
BTW, if these threads bother you, feel free to not participate or post one of your own. Also, I’ve started several threads on other topics that you’re more than willing to explore. [/quote]
The threads don’t bother me. They start out fine. Then you show up and it gets twisting into a Islam-bashing homophobe fest.
And by your logic, if every sin you make is pardoned thanks to Jesus, then if gay marriage is a sin shouldn’t that be pardoned too?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Not according to the Bible.
BTW, if these threads bother you, feel free to not participate or post one of your own. Also, I’ve started several threads on other topics that you’re more than willing to explore.
The threads don’t bother me. They start out fine. Then you show up and it gets twisting into a Islam-bashing fest.
And by your logic, if every sin you make is pardoned thanks to Jesus, then if gay marriage is a sin shouldn’t that be pardoned too?[/quote]
I started this thread, so I don’t quite know what you mean by the first sentence.
If a homosexual is looking to Christ for his salvation, he’s pardoned, though I don’t think a true Christian, regardless of his sexual orientation, would be making a habit of fornication.
David committed adultery with another man’s wife and then murdered the man. I guarantee he’s pardoned because of Jesus’ active and passive obedience.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I guarantee he’s pardoned because of Jesus’ active and passive obedience.
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Well, if you guarantee, it…
I read the passages you suggested. Maybe I wasn’t careful enough, but I didn’t notice anything about you being forgiven because of Jesus.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I guarantee he’s pardoned because of Jesus’ active and passive obedience.
Well, if you guarantee, it…
I read the passages you suggested. Maybe I wasn’t careful enough, but I didn’t notice anything about you being forgiven because of Jesus.[/quote]
The gospel, as it’s always been understood by the Christian church, is that in Christ God justifies the wicked. If you want Scripture proofs, just let me know.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I started this thread, so I don’t quite know what you mean by the first sentence.[/quote]
Every thread you seem to start or join degenerates pretty rapidly. That’s what I mean.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The gospel, as it’s always been understood by the Christian church, is that in Christ God justifies the wicked. If you want Scripture proofs, just let me know. [/quote]
You mean that Church that decided everything at a council sometime after Jesus left the mortal plane of existence?
That Church?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I started this thread, so I don’t quite know what you mean by the first sentence.
Every thread you seem to start or join degenerates pretty rapidly. That’s what I mean.[/quote]
Actually, I didn’t start this one. I was wrong. I started the polygamy one. I got mixed up.
I think I was getting on relatively well with everyone until certain other people showed up.