[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Is this serious? You can’t figure out why people do more weight than they can actually do? Can’t think of any reasons?[/quote]
Nope. What do ya got?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Is this serious? You can’t figure out why people do more weight than they can actually do? Can’t think of any reasons?[/quote]
Dude, I cannot, for the LIFE of me, figure out ANY POSSIBLE reason why ANYONE would do that in a world.[/quote]
lol…is that REALLY how my OP sounded?
Either way, I would rather be surrounded by people pushing beyond their comfort zone than a bunch of idiots bragging about how perfect their form is. The latter generally tend to be the smallest people in the gym.
No one cares if someone is training “wrong” according to you if they dwarf you in terms of progress made and overall gains.
Oh, and I don’t touch my chest when benching and never did. Clearly that held me back.
[quote]Nards wrote:
Ha! While I was reading your post i thought about a guy at the gym back in Winnipeg that would do that…load the bar to 315 or more, sit down, get up, stretch and just basically hang around the bench so that people think he actually moved the weight.
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I’ve got one like this.
A guy was quarter benching 225 when he saw a couple of his friends come in. He slapped another plate on each side then went over to chat with his the guys. They slowly made their way back to the bench where he proceeded to unload the bar. He had tried to make it look like he had been benching 315.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
What’s wrong with shrugging more than you can deadlift?
/confused[/quote]
x2
Can’t most people shrug more than they deadlift?[/quote]
It’s always perplexed me that I can’t. My dead has always had about 50 lbs on my shrug*
*disclaimer; In my view 5 reps on shrugs is about equal to a single on DL. In other words, if i can’t do at least 5 full reps on a shrug, it doesn’t even count as being able to do it.
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Let me ask yall something. When you see a jackass put way too much weight either on a leg press or squat and only do 1/2 or 1/4 ROM, do you say anything or give him/her a look so they know they are a idiot? It really is pathetic and I seem to see it more and more.[/quote]
The only time that I do this is if it is a kid that is going to get themselves hurt if they continue to do what it is they are doing. Other than that I expect everyone to do the same research that I have done to try and stay safe and healthy. Not realistic I know. This is also the reason that I NEVER lift after 5pm. All the retards come out after they get off work…
[quote]Mateus wrote:
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Let me ask yall something. When you see a jackass put way too much weight either on a leg press or squat and only do 1/2 or 1/4 ROM, do you say anything or give him/her a look so they know they are a idiot? It really is pathetic and I seem to see it more and more.[/quote]
The only time that I do this is if it is a kid that is going to get themselves hurt if they continue to do what it is they are doing. Other than that I expect everyone to do the same research that I have done to try and stay safe and healthy. Not realistic I know. This is also the reason that I NEVER lift after 5pm. All the retards come out after they get off work…[/quote]
Who you calling retard.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Either way, I would rather be surrounded by people pushing beyond their comfort zone than a bunch of idiots bragging about how perfect their form is. The latter generally tend to be the smallest people in the gym.
No one cares if someone is training “wrong” according to you if they dwarf you in terms of progress made and overall gains.
Oh, and I don’t touch my chest when benching and never did. Clearly that held me back.[/quote]
The only ones I’ve personally witnessed doing this are NOT progressing at all and don’t even look like they workout. There’s a difference between pushing beyond your comfort zone (this is part of ANY progress) and not knowing how to lift a fucking weight properly.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Mateus wrote:
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Let me ask yall something. When you see a jackass put way too much weight either on a leg press or squat and only do 1/2 or 1/4 ROM, do you say anything or give him/her a look so they know they are a idiot? It really is pathetic and I seem to see it more and more.[/quote]
The only time that I do this is if it is a kid that is going to get themselves hurt if they continue to do what it is they are doing. Other than that I expect everyone to do the same research that I have done to try and stay safe and healthy. Not realistic I know. This is also the reason that I NEVER lift after 5pm. All the retards come out after they get off work…[/quote]
Who you calling retard.[/quote]
LOL…Sorry dude. Was referring to my gym. From 5 till about 8 it is a packed with cocky ass college kids that are more interested in dick measuring and showing off for their buddies or the hottie on the adductor machine instead of working out.
[quote]Mateus wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Mateus wrote:
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Let me ask yall something. When you see a jackass put way too much weight either on a leg press or squat and only do 1/2 or 1/4 ROM, do you say anything or give him/her a look so they know they are a idiot? It really is pathetic and I seem to see it more and more.[/quote]
The only time that I do this is if it is a kid that is going to get themselves hurt if they continue to do what it is they are doing. Other than that I expect everyone to do the same research that I have done to try and stay safe and healthy. Not realistic I know. This is also the reason that I NEVER lift after 5pm. All the retards come out after they get off work…[/quote]
Who you calling retard.[/quote]
LOL…Sorry dude. Was referring to my gym. From 5 till about 8 it is a packed with cocky ass college kids that are more interested in dick measuring and showing off for their buddies or the hottie on the adductor machine instead of working out. [/quote]
I usually dont say anything due to the type of guys around. Like what you mentioned, they are usually from college and God forbid should they be corrected. Another reason why a home gym will be divine.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Mateus wrote:
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Let me ask yall something. When you see a jackass put way too much weight either on a leg press or squat and only do 1/2 or 1/4 ROM, do you say anything or give him/her a look so they know they are a idiot? It really is pathetic and I seem to see it more and more.[/quote]
The only time that I do this is if it is a kid that is going to get themselves hurt if they continue to do what it is they are doing. Other than that I expect everyone to do the same research that I have done to try and stay safe and healthy. Not realistic I know. This is also the reason that I NEVER lift after 5pm. All the retards come out after they get off work…[/quote]
Who you calling retard.[/quote]
Call the hotline…tard.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
Let me ask yall something. When you see a jackass put way too much weight either on a leg press or squat and only do 1/2 or 1/4 ROM, do you say anything or give him/her a look so they know they are a idiot? [/quote]
NO
I ask myself:
Are they bigger than me?
Yes? Then they know what they are doing, and who am I to tell them what to do…
No? Then why do I gave a fuck what they are doing?[/quote]
am I bigger than you are? if so, does that mean you have to do everything I tell you to do(training wise)?
I guess I really do not give a fuck, either, but I am just spouting an opinion. I have earned the right to have one.
I guess my problem with the shrugging thing is that most people, if this does not apply to you don’t have a fit, is that they are loading up the bar with a ton a weight to stroke their ego on an exercise that does not matter that much.
I cant brag on myself much as far as my body goes, but I dare say that I have a pretty stout upper back and traps.
I have never shrugged much more than 300lbs.
I rarely do shrugs.
It just looks ridiculous to me to see somebody load up 500lbs in the rack or whatever on shrugs, thinking it is going to stimulate more upper back development than say deadlifts with 400lbs, high pulls with 300lbs, or cleans with 200lbs.
I am just old school that way.
I know lots of people would disagree, as evidence by all the bro’s I see at commercial gyms going to town on shrugs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Either way, I would rather be surrounded by people pushing beyond their comfort zone than a bunch of idiots bragging about how perfect their form is. The latter generally tend to be the smallest people in the gym.
No one cares if someone is training “wrong” according to you if they dwarf you in terms of progress made and overall gains.
Oh, and I don’t touch my chest when benching and never did. Clearly that held me back.[/quote]
well, that depends on what your goals are.
If your only goal is to get huge, then obviously not touching on the bench has not been a bad thing for you as you are pretty darn big.
but that is assuming that if you had been doing full ROM benching from the outset, would you be that much bigger? since you said you NEVER touched a bench press, then you really do not know.
I have to admit though, I might have healthier shoulders today if I had not done 20 years of full ROM barbell benching and overhead pressing,
but considering the sports I was trying to get better at, doing partial reps consistently would have held me back perhaps.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
am I bigger than you are? if so, does that mean you have to do everything I tell you to do(training wise)?
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I believe you are, but no… It means I’m going to listen to you, pay attention to what you do, and try and pull parts of your methods that work for me out. But no, it doesn’t mean I’m going to blindly follow what you say.
I’m just trying to make a point to the people in this thread bitching who haven’t made anywhere near the progress you have… You know the skinny bastards.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
but considering the sports I was trying to get better at, doing partial reps consistently would have held me back perhaps.
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That is going to be the crux of where we don’t see eye to eye in this tread really.
even with the shrug thing…
It’s going to be goal dependent.
I certainly respect your accomplishments and opinions, without a doubt, you have paid your dues and accomplished a shit load, I just feel like you may be assuming things about people. I don’t know. (I’m not really flipping either, I’m just conversing on the subject)
I don’t have the back and traps of someone in the game for 10 years, but I pwn the fuck out of 405, 495 and 555 on shrugs, pwn it. I pull in the very low 5’s and I’ve never had one lift go up without the other moving too… But then again, because of my goals, I don’t give a shit about a big pull anymore as much, you know, but hitting 405x28, 495x16 & 545x12 on shrugs blast my traps and do good things to them.
well beans… this does not apply to you then…
if you deadlift in the low 500’s, and shrug in the mid 500’s, though i still do not think it is neccessary, that puts you in a far different category than the people I have seen who do not deadlift AT ALL, or maybe after doing leg presses then doing STDL with 185 or 225, THEN they pile up 500lbs and do shrugs. different animal all together.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
well beans… this does not apply to you then…
if you deadlift in the low 500’s, and shrug in the mid 500’s, though i still do not think it is neccessary, that puts you in a far different category than the people I have seen who do not deadlift AT ALL, or maybe after doing leg presses then doing STDL with 185 or 225, THEN they pile up 500lbs and do shrugs. different animal all together. [/quote]
Not to switch gears but…
You really think full ROM on OHP and BP contributed to your shoulder issues?
I Only ask because I feel okay with BB bench to touch, smith not so much, and OHP is uncomfortable lower than my chin on the best day and top of my ears when I lower behind my head.
Gyms aren’t the most natural human workout turf. Give us a field, some trees, and a river, and we’ll figure it out in no time. But a squat rack with iron rods and round plates? WTF? The only way you’re going to figure out what to do with that is if someone shows you.
I have no idea why you can’t figure out why someone might be confused about the way a gym is supposed to work.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
well beans… this does not apply to you then…
if you deadlift in the low 500’s, and shrug in the mid 500’s, though i still do not think it is neccessary, that puts you in a far different category than the people I have seen who do not deadlift AT ALL, or maybe after doing leg presses then doing STDL with 185 or 225, THEN they pile up 500lbs and do shrugs. different animal all together. [/quote]
I don’t deadlift AT ALL and can shrug more than 500lbs. I usually do ten 45lbs plates for slow reps with a hold at the peak contraction…without straps.
Am I missing why this is a bad thing?
Oh and as far as the bench press, bringing it to my chest stresses that shoulder joint. You are one of the first to make it seem like my chest would be bigger if I trained differently.
Bottom line, not touching my chest got me a big chest.
People just need to mind their own business.
people like that make good conversation.
nobody serious takes them seriously, it’s just funny to point and laugh.