[quote]pushharder wrote:
How come the graph doesn’t show the “advances” made on the African continent? There was no Christian influence there.[/quote]
… You know you can edit your own posts if you have an afterthought, right? That way you don’t take up a whole page with 2 sentence replies. =/
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I posted thataway on purpose, squirt. I started on this site back when you were in 4th grade. No instruction on posting protocol is needed by you.
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I’m not even sure what your point is here… =/[/quote]
No doubt.[/quote]
… Yes, I know you did it on purpose. I’ve seen you post before. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of asking you to not spam up the thread with two sentence posts. Please and thank you.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The entire world was in techno limbo during the Dark Ages and the entire world didn’t have the purported “ball and chain” of Christianity to blame.[/quote]
They also didn’t have Europeans or European culture. There’s so many possible reasons for why every country was the way it was at one point. Maybe their own religions held them back, maybe they didn’t see a need to invest in science, maybe non-Europeans just aren’t as innovative.
We’re looking at Christianity’s affect on Europe because Christianity had major detrimental and measurable affects on Europe. We can look at history and see how Europeans behaved before, during, and after the dark ages and no matter how you look at it, the rise of Christianity has a near perfect correlation to the halt of European innovation and expansion of knowledge.
FYI, India was very innovative at this time and was, in fact, the wealthiest country in the world for a very large part of human history. So no, everyone else didn’t come to a halt just because Europe did if that’s what you think. =/[/quote]
I agree with much of the above hence my kudos to the Reformation for spurring the Renaissance.
India was relatively wealthy but technologically backward. Or stagnant if you will.[/quote]
Well, if I had to take a guess at India I would say that their whole focus was on the “science of the inner”. They were very “scientific” when it came to things like; the best dimensions a room should have to meditate in, the affects of certain scents on ones state of being, sex positions, etc. as opposed to medicine and gadgets.
… Yes, I know you did it on purpose. I’ve seen you post before. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of asking you to not spam up the thread with two sentence posts. Please and thank you.[/quote]
You will of course take note that succumbing to your wishes is of little import to me.[/quote]
Oh, it’s not just for me. I can’t imagine anyone in this thread particularly enjoys scrolling through a mile long road of 2 sentence posts.
… Yes, I know you did it on purpose. I’ve seen you post before. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of asking you to not spam up the thread with two sentence posts. Please and thank you.[/quote]
You will of course take note that succumbing to your wishes is of little import to me.[/quote]
Oh, it’s not just for me. I can’t imagine anyone in this thread particularly enjoys scrolling through a mile long road of 2 sentence posts. [/quote]
Well you just guaranteed that I will continue to do so when I deem it necessary. So “they” can blame you.[/quote]
Are you sure you’re older than me? If I stomped a dog to death and told people I did it to spite you, do you think they’d blame you? Grow up.
… Yes, I know you did it on purpose. I’ve seen you post before. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of asking you to not spam up the thread with two sentence posts. Please and thank you.[/quote]
You will of course take note that succumbing to your wishes is of little import to me.[/quote]
Oh, it’s not just for me. I can’t imagine anyone in this thread particularly enjoys scrolling through a mile long road of 2 sentence posts. [/quote]
Well you just guaranteed that I will continue to do so when I deem it necessary. So “they” can blame you.[/quote]
Are you sure you’re older than me? If I stomped a dog to death and told people I did it to spite you, do you think they’d blame you? Grow up. [/quote]
It was tongue in cheek, sport. Relax.[/quote]
… right =/
Moving on, are we in agreement that the rise of Christianity in Europe halted scientific advancement?
… Yes, I know you did it on purpose. I’ve seen you post before. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of asking you to not spam up the thread with two sentence posts. Please and thank you.[/quote]
You will of course take note that succumbing to your wishes is of little import to me.[/quote]
Oh, it’s not just for me. I can’t imagine anyone in this thread particularly enjoys scrolling through a mile long road of 2 sentence posts. [/quote]
Well you just guaranteed that I will continue to do so when I deem it necessary. So “they” can blame you.[/quote]
Are you sure you’re older than me? If I stomped a dog to death and told people I did it to spite you, do you think they’d blame you? Grow up. [/quote]
It was tongue in cheek, sport. Relax.[/quote]
… right =/
Moving on, are we in agreement that the rise of Christianity in Europe halted scientific advancement?[/quote]
No.[/quote]
Even though things where looking up prior to its rise, then halted and didn’t start up again until after it’s grip loosened?
Even though things where looking up prior to its rise, then halted and didn’t start up again until after it’s grip loosened? [/quote]
I do think the Catholic Church inhibited technological/scientific/cultural growth during the Middle Ages in some instances. It also most likely fostered it in others.
But it was far more complex than that. If Catholicism were the sole contributor to the stagnation then other non-Catholic cultures detached from pretty much all vestiges of Christianity would have theoretically and relatively flourished. But that didn’t happen. So a prudent man would look elsewhere when it comes to assigning “blame”.[/quote]
I forget, are you Catholic?
Anyway, What happened in countries not affected by Christianity doesn’t change whether or not Christianity affected Europe. What, are you suggesting there was some hidden GLOBAL factor to blame? Other countries more or less progressed at the same rate. It would be a cosmic joke of a coincidence if there was some hidden factor at work that also happened to have a perfect correlation with both the stagnation of European innovation AND the rise of Christianity.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This assignment of “blame” by the “Atheist Church” is a construct of the “A.C.” in the war between the two “religions”. You are being misled if follow the atheist dogma that Christianity was the root of economic/scientific/cultural stagnation.
On a different note you might find the book, “After Tamerlane, The Rise and Fall of Global Empires 1400 - 2000” by John Darwin helpful in studying this subject.[/quote]
I’m amused that you find labelling the atheist community as a “church” to be an insult. It’s almost as though you recognize the lunacy of organized religion.
oh, i suppose it may looks like this… if you
-over-estimate the achievements of the late roman empire.
-under-estimate the achievements of the medieval era.
-use an extremely blurry chronology.
-conveniently forget the barbarian invasions and the fall of the roman empire.
-really think than the “grip of Christianity” loosened during the Renaissance.
then yes, i suppose you can start to see some correlation. but still no causation.