Why Bush MUST Be a Great President!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
http://impeachpac.org/endorse-criscenzo

And one wonders why the terrorists are emboldened…

GWB:“Bring it on!”
and so they did. Quoting bin Laden didn’t help. Giving them new haven in Iraq didn’t help. Letting them have the explosive dumps didn’t help. Giving Iran a boost didn’t help. Not recognizing the insurgency didn’t help. The torture thing didn’t help…

and so on.

in other words…sensible people don’t really wonder how they were emboldened, this admin’s soft on terror/ists policies did it.

Hah! Soft on terror???

Ever have a nest of hornets under your back deck? You can leave them alone for a while and maybe 1 or 2 stings…but the nest is there.

Bush got the ‘wonderful’ task of killing the ‘nest’. You all want him to be nice to the hornets, leave them alone, they’ll NEVER attack anyone again, its all his fault for stirring up the nest. Blowjob Billy can sit back and get sucked off, ignoring his duties (for which he should have been put on trial), and Bush gets attacked for doing his best to kill the nest.

One of the most unjust things I’ve ever seen.

[/quote]While i didnt agree with everything Billy Boy did ,if you remember he wanted to do something after the navy ship,was bombed,and the Repubs. said hes just trying to draw attention away from the Blow Job scandal and nothing was done.They were to busy focusing in that at the time.

[quote]ron33 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
http://impeachpac.org/endorse-criscenzo

And one wonders why the terrorists are emboldened…

GWB:“Bring it on!”
and so they did. Quoting bin Laden didn’t help. Giving them new haven in Iraq didn’t help. Letting them have the explosive dumps didn’t help. Giving Iran a boost didn’t help. Not recognizing the insurgency didn’t help. The torture thing didn’t help…

and so on.

in other words…sensible people don’t really wonder how they were emboldened, this admin’s soft on terror/ists policies did it.

Hah! Soft on terror???

Ever have a nest of hornets under your back deck? You can leave them alone for a while and maybe 1 or 2 stings…but the nest is there.

Bush got the ‘wonderful’ task of killing the ‘nest’. You all want him to be nice to the hornets, leave them alone, they’ll NEVER attack anyone again, its all his fault for stirring up the nest. Blowjob Billy can sit back and get sucked off, ignoring his duties (for which he should have been put on trial), and Bush gets attacked for doing his best to kill the nest.

One of the most unjust things I’ve ever seen.

While i didnt agree with everything Billy Boy did ,if you remember he wanted to do something after the navy ship,was bombed,and the Repubs. said hes just trying to draw attention away from the Blow Job scandal and nothing was done.They were to busy focusing in that at the time.

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The Cole happened in Oct. The elections happened in Nov. Clinton passed his plans to Bush who of course, did nothing, except to ignore those plans and immediately deprioritize terror. Probably a mistake in hindsight.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
JeffR wrote:

Lying under oath.

That was the crime.

JeffR

Right. But still about a blowjob. That didn’t cost too many lives.

Bush’s lies are worse than Clinton’s. Therefore, impeachment is a fair option.

If he was the CEO of a company, he’d have been fired already.[/quote]

You have it so wrong it is laughable.

Clinton lied under oath. That is a crime in all 50 states. It is an impeachable offense.

You first have to prove that Bush lied, He didn’t. Then you have to get him to do it under oath.

The daydreaming fantasies of the ABBer’s are becoming sillier and sillier.

Maybe if you guys would spend more time trying to articulate ideas that have a hint of originality to them instead of thinking that the rest of the country hates Bush as much as you do - you’d actually win an election.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JeffR wrote:

Lying under oath.

That was the crime.

JeffR

Right. But still about a blowjob. That didn’t cost too many lives.

Bush’s lies are worse than Clinton’s. Therefore, impeachment is a fair option.

If he was the CEO of a company, he’d have been fired already.

You have it so wrong it is laughable.

Clinton lied under oath. That is a crime in all 50 states. It is an impeachable offense.

You first have to prove that Bush lied, He didn’t. Then you have to get him to do it under oath.

The daydreaming fantasies of the ABBer’s are becoming sillier and sillier.

Maybe if you guys would spend more time trying to articulate ideas that have a hint of originality to them instead of thinking that the rest of the country hates Bush as much as you do - you’d actually win an election.

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come on neocons stop drinking the kool aid…

Jlesk,

The point of the thread was to show how laughable all these equivocations are, about Bush being Satan, and so forth. I illustrated this by going to the other extreme. Posting a pic of GWB as Big Brother simply illustrates my point about the looney-tunes Left, in this country.

As RJ points out, you’re more likely to win something if you act like rational beings. Soccer moms don’t vote for people like Rosie O’Donnell for Pres, for ex, though they watch the fat bitch.

The most brillaint thing this presidency has done is making it unpatriotic and almost a crime for anyone to oppose decision made by the president. It seems even the press has been shutdown completly.

Sounds like a dictatorship to me!

[quote]adamhum wrote:
The most brillaint thing this presidency has done is making it unpatriotic and almost a crime for anyone to oppose decision made by the president. It seems even the press has been shutdown completly.

Sounds like a dictatorship to me![/quote]

The president didn’t shutdown the press. All you have to do is turn on your tv, or pick up a NYT - or a WaPo.

Name anyone that has been put in jail for their anti-american rhetoric.

Just because I exercise my right to free speech by calling yours unpatriotic does not make it illegal.

I swear - the peaceniks/Abber’s think they have a fucking right to be listened to. You don’t.

No one is going to deny you your right to speak your mind. Just stop the fucking crying when no one listens to you - or even better - talks over your bullshit rhetoric.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Jlesk,

The point of the thread was to show how laughable all these equivocations are, about Bush being Satan, and so forth. I illustrated this by going to the other extreme. Posting a pic of GWB as Big Brother simply illustrates my point about the looney-tunes Left, in this country.

As RJ points out, you’re more likely to win something if you act like rational beings. Soccer moms don’t vote for people like Rosie O’Donnell for Pres, for ex, though they watch the fat bitch.[/quote]

HH, Like that Ballsy Lady from Texas said,George can’t help it,He was born with a silver foot in his mouth!!

[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JeffR wrote:

Lying under oath.

That was the crime.

JeffR

Right. But still about a blowjob. That didn’t cost too many lives.

Bush’s lies are worse than Clinton’s. Therefore, impeachment is a fair option.

If he was the CEO of a company, he’d have been fired already.

You have it so wrong it is laughable.

Clinton lied under oath. That is a crime in all 50 states. It is an impeachable offense.

You first have to prove that Bush lied, He didn’t. Then you have to get him to do it under oath.

The daydreaming fantasies of the ABBer’s are becoming sillier and sillier.

Maybe if you guys would spend more time trying to articulate ideas that have a hint of originality to them instead of thinking that the rest of the country hates Bush as much as you do - you’d actually win an election.

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First of all, you don’t know that he didn’t lie. You have no idea what was going on inside the White House.

Secondly, I want him removed for being completely inept and mismanaging everything.

You’re rose colored glasses might be getting darker RJ- and watch in November about winning elections. You fellas won’t be taking many seats.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
First of all, you don’t know that he didn’t lie. You have no idea what was going on inside the White House.[/quote]

And you don’t know that he did. Innocent until PROVEN guilty - not “I think he did - boot his ass out”

Sadly - ineptness is not a crime. Carter would have lasted about 3 days, and CLinton would not have made it to the midterm elections in 1994.

I think the problem is that your ABB-itis is flaring up, causing you to think my glasses have changed colors - they have not.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
We can argue all sorts of different points, but one thing is for sure: Anyone so hated, so outright loathed, by the libs just has to be doing right. He is called Hitler Reborn, a religious nut-murderer, the world greatest terrorist by libs across the planet. His name is dragged through the mud, he’s barred from entering college campuses by gangs of lib-fascists. The Dems plan to impeach him when they take over in November.

My God, the man MUST be one of the greatest presidents ever!

Remember how Lincoln was absolutely reviled by everyone? Its the mark of greatness!

One day, I predict that statues of GWB will appear and be revered throughout the land, not by the libs but by those who finally see what a true American hero is — President George W. Bush.[/quote]

Please do something to end your delerious thoughts!

Wow, been avoiding the political thread recently, finding it was taking up way too much time.

Decided to take a peek here again to see what was going on, and the bullshit is still here.

Is Bush a great president? No. Is he a bad president? No. Maybe mediocre.

The biggest thing that will define him is the fact that he was president when 911 hit.

But the one thing I cannot believe is how people have been attacking him like crazy. Being against everything he does. And why? Because they want a Democrat in power, and that cannot happen unless the one thing that made Bush jump in the polls is destroyed, the war on terror.

In other words I see a large group of people attempting to weaken America against terrorists, actually embolden the terrorists, weaken the resolve of our military, just for political gain.

And the masses of sheep who cannot think for themselves, fall in line with the hate, not realizing they are the haters.

I fully understand anyone who actually disagreed with going into Iraq on policy reasons, if they have a legitimate argument. But I have yet to actually hear that person speak up. Instead listening to ignorant, politically biased, and blind rhetoric and propaganda.

For example the idea that you cannot go into Iraq because we haven’t found Bin-Laden yet. That is like saying we cannot look for a cure for cancer until we find a cure for AIDS.

We got one of the most evil dictators out of power, and the world is safer because of it. And a side benefit was that it distracted the terrorists, bringing them to Iraq instead of America. I am surprised at how so many people do not realize this.

As far as Al Qaeda, the military experts say they have been severely weakened. They still exist, but not in the form they once were, nor as powerful as they once were.

If you can see what is going on, we have been very successful. But unfortunately many do not want you to know that, after all they need a Democrat in office.

And the whole idea of blaming Bush for creating more terrorists, you must ask why so many Democrats are being quoted on Al Qaeda web sites.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
Is Bush a great president? No. Is he a bad president? No. Maybe mediocre.
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no. He’s bad.

no. Iraq.

Uhhh…no. It’s the war on Iraq. We want a “war” on terror. You guys don’t. (See Iraq)

Actually Repbulicans were against the 9/11 commission, even better they were against the findings of the Hart/Rudman report that outlined the need for heightened security and a Dept. of Homeland Security that Bush was against (even AFTER 9/11). Bush got that report on his 11th day in office. Shameful. So Bush WEAKENED america against terrorist. He failed to inact improvements after 9/11 again WEAKENING america. He invaded Iraq, which EMBOLDENED the terrorists, specifically Al qaeda. It also emboldened Iran, and has dramatically increased their influence. He also tortured muslims, called the war a crusade, and said so stupidly to the terrorists “bring it on” all of which REALLY strengthens their resolve.(as you can imagine).
So you can see just HOW STUPID and totally IDIOTIC it sounds to say the people oppposed to all the actions that really weaken america, and strengthen the resolve of terrorists are somehow responsible. Just so stupid. Even worse you’re saying this while the president half-asses the war in Iraq that he says is defending civilization. Military commanders say we need 3 times the troops, but Bush is not actually serious about winning the war—you see it’s just politics for him—which is borderline malicious don’t ya think?
A better perspective: 600 marines are “defending” Anbar province (the size of New Hampshire) the area that Al qaeda “owns”. Our president is a ball-less wonder. You see because having balls would mean owning his mistakes, firing idiots, and putting boots to the ground to complete the job. BUSH WILL NEVER DO THIS!

This by definition is you.

We’re repeating what the military said:
WTF are we going to Iraq for?
You were manipulated and you fell for it and still do despite the horrible reality of all your terrific mistakes.
Bush was dead wrong on EVERY single aspect of the Iraq invasion. To still support it is only evidence of your own ignorance.

Found him? Bush let him go. When your guy on the ground tracking him asks for f–king battalion of rangers, send him the damn battalion!!!When you invade a country like Iraq, do your research and learn who lives there (would’ve helped) give the military the correct force size, and have a phase IV pre-invasion!(Jeebus these guys are idiots). Also as you know Iraq was not a threat at all to us. So just a really stupid decision.

Obviously the world is not safer, terrorism is way,way,way up! 14,000 attacks last year! 56 US civilians dead! 1000’s of troops dead! What’s suprising is your’s and others sheer ignorance at what is actually happening in the world. Very scary.

Yes it’s almost like they’re not killing an american almost every day!

hip, hip, hooray!

Or why even more Republicans are? :frowning:

See? This is exactly what I am talking about. You cannot accept even the idea that he will be considered mediocre historically. He must be evil, the cause of all the worlds ills.

Guess what, they do not run every single battle through Bush before they take action, that is not the way it works, so you cannot blame him for those. Do you actually think he would forgo the political gain from eliminating Osama?

[quote]The Mage wrote:
See? This is exactly what I am talking about. You cannot accept even the idea that he will be considered mediocre historically. He must be evil, the cause of all the worlds ills.

Guess what, they do not run every single battle through Bush before they take action, that is not the way it works, so you cannot blame him for those. Do you actually think he would forgo the political gain from eliminating Osama?
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What, what, what can we blame Bush for, then?

Because according to the cheerleaders:

Iraq…

Katrina…

9/11…

Osama’s continuing freedom…

Afghanistan falling back into the hands of the Taliban…

Gas prices…

America losing the respect of the world…

Eavesdropping…

Torture…

and every-fucking-thing else under the sun that’s gone wrong during King Shithead’s 6 years is NOT HIS FAULT.

Nothing is this man’s fault. He has no responsibility for anything that’s wrong with the world anywhere at anytime.

Thank god that the republicans aren’t the party of “personal resonsibility,” otherwise one might see some irony in the situation.

Yep, your right.

Damn that Bush for causing Katrina. He pushed the hurricane button and whoosh, there goes New Orleans. (Sarcasm.)

Now for the list:

Iraq:
I think we should have gone in a lot sooner then we did. Bush didn’t have a strong enough force there, and decided to run a stupid fucking politically correct war instead of a proper one.

Katrina:
He didn’t know what was going on as well as he should have, but he was constrained by the laws, and the locals who didn’t give him the go ahead.

911:
If you blame him for this, you are a nut. No ifs ands or butts about it.
There is a whole intelligence agency there who’s job it is to deal with this shit. To blame Bush for that is foolish. But to imply that he actually had something to do with it involves nutty conspiracy theories that require proof if such statements are to be made.

Osama’s continuing freedom:
Is he actually the one out there trying to catch Osama? Why does anyone think this is easy anyway? Do you know where he is? 100meters did mention a true event that occurred where Osama had the potential of being captured, or eliminated. And was not given the military help he requested, giving Osama a better chance to get away. But I doubt Bush even know about it until it was over. It is the Generals making direct military decisions, not Bush.

Afghanistan falling back into Taliban hands:
Well I believe it is the south that is unfortunately comming under the control of the Taliban, not the entire country. But does Bush have the political power to make a big push there again? Or will he be attacked once again as an aggressor attacking those “innocent and peaceful” Taliban leaders?

A lot more attention needs to be put back on Afghanistan. When we went into Iraq I stated that we should not forget Afghanistan.

Both in Iraq and Afghanistan, any fighting we do, we kick ass, but they keep coming. There are a lot of brainwashed people over there. (Something that really got going in the 70’s.) But if we change to say Howard Dean as president, will we leave Afghanistan? And is that a good thing?

Gas prices:
Uh, yeah right. Bush controls the entire world oil market, and all the idiot speculators who were bidding up oil way beyond what was necessary. It should be pointed out that China, originally a net exporter of oil and now net importer, along with India uses as much oil as the whole world did 10 years ago. This is a big change, and effects the supply/demand ratio. Plus if you understand how the market works, you would realize that when oil is cheap, people quit looking for more, and actually quit pumping as much. You cannot blame Bush for market forces out of his control. If things were as you are trying to imply, why is oil dropping right now?

America losing the respect of the world:
Did we ever have the respect of the world? We have always been looked down upon as inferior and boorish by other countries. Part of the reason is that we are the big guys. Nobody likes the most powerful or successful, whether it’s a business, government, or person.

How are you treated after gaining more muscle, and getting lean? Better, or looked at like you must be an asshole now?

And since when were we supposed to run our government based on how popular we are? This ain?t no freakin beauty contest after all.

I thought we were not supposed to live our lives based on making others happy. How exactly did the most popular girl in school become that way?

Eavesdropping:
On terrorists? And don’t act like it was more then that.

Torture:
You mean making people listen to Red Hot Chili Peppers, and keeping them up late? I thought that was called going to college, but no, we call that torture.

My idea of torture is hurting somebody. You know, ripping off fingernails, cutting off body parts, burning people. But we are not doing that. Anyone who we know of that has gone overboard was punished.

Do not forget that what you call torture, and I do not, has saved literally thousands of lives, and prevented terror attacks here in America and elsewhere.

The interrogators did have specific rules they follow, and the ones I have heard interviewed have stated that torture does not work, but the coercive techniques, which are more mental then anything, do.

Now none of this means he has done a great job. But I am amazed at what has been accomplished considering everything that has been put in the way.

The simple fact that you call him King Dipshit shows your bias here. And interestingly all this has little to do with politics, and more to do with gossip. Instead of discussing the issues, we end up discussing the person.

The crazy ignorance that resulted in Clinton hate has been multiplied exponentially on Bush. The idea seriously is to discuss the issues, and not come to an opinion based on, “Because I hate Bushie.”

There is plenty that has gone wrong, and plenty of things Bush has done wrong, and things where the blame can be places squarely on Bush. But that does not mean every fucking thing in the world is his fault, or that he should be hated, just because you disagree with his politics.

And these long winded discussions are why I avoid this place.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
We can argue all sorts of different points, but one thing is for sure: Anyone so hated, so outright loathed, by the libs just has to be doing right. He is called Hitler Reborn, a religious nut-murderer, the world greatest terrorist by libs across the planet. His name is dragged through the mud, he’s barred from entering college campuses by gangs of lib-fascists. The Dems plan to impeach him when they take over in November.

My God, the man MUST be one of the greatest presidents ever!

Remember how Lincoln was absolutely reviled by everyone? Its the mark of greatness!

One day, I predict that statues of GWB will appear and be revered throughout the land, not by the libs but by those who finally see what a true American hero is — President George W. Bush.[/quote]

With the same logic, Osama must be a great leader also.