Why Attacks on Trump Don't Work

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$20 co-pay at the doctor, 6mins in his table, $2 for meds… I’m better in 3-4 days.

Who the fuck needs to take bloodwork for an ear infection, or go back if you feel better? Your doctor sucks.

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Seeing as the vast majority of said uprising will be vets and members of said military, and the government isn’t about to carpet bomb their mothers and daughters, which is were the insurgency hides… I’m not too particularly worried about it.

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Even if that is your opinion, i keep hearing about how Americans don’t want Universal healthcare etc because they prefer liberty over security. If so then why need the security of a massive military that spends 600 billion a year, more than every other military combined?

That seems like a contradiction.

They aren’t specifically because of the inclusion of the second amendment as a means to protect against an armed forces that could crush rebellion. There are 300+ million private owned guns in America. There are 2 million active and reserve service members the vast majority of which view themselves as Patriots and would never fire on Americans. You do the math.

Universal healthcare on the other hand is increased and unnecessary reliance on the government ie they can now use healthcare to coerce private citizens to fall in line with the government. Security against illness in exchange for economic freedom. No thanks.

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There are ear infections and then there are ear infections. This wasn’t something you’d solve with a couple of pills bought at Rx pharmacy. My jaw and the left side of my face was swollen like a balloon.

Chronic exposure to cold water - let’s just say I’m very fortunate I didn’t go deaf on my left ear.

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Why on Earth do you assume that Government run/manipulated “Healthcare” is secure in any way, shape or form?

Also, what is with your obsession with the military budget?

Ahhhh. Okay man. That makes a lot more sense.

So you need to spend 600 billion of taxpayer money to keep yourself safe? And German people didn’t believe their troops would round up politically incorrect dissenters during war time and hang them.

Dharma,

Look at the VA, the TSA, Obamacare, why on Earth do you assume that our government can do anything right ?

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Right no system is perfect:

Do you think no private healthcare facilities have stuff like this going on? How about American doctors getting patients who don’t have cancer to go through surgeries and Chemo? Do you remember those news stories? When there is financial incentive, you get that kind of shit.

How about American doctors sewing items in patients by accident? or dentists fucking over clients regarding unneeded fillings etc?

I am a lot more worried about ever losing the NHS than I am with it.

Great analysis, I don’t disagree with any of it. I think you may be exactly right.

And by extension, because Hillary getting elected might just make things better medium and long term as you note, it’d make sense to pull the lever for Hillary as a contrarian but strategic vote to put things in motion for a better 2018 and beyond.

But, as I have said before, I can’t vote for someone like Hillary. The mere act of casting the vote - smart as it may be, as you note - is anathema to me at this point.

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We probably don’t “need” to spend $600 Billion, but that’s not really the point. We should maintain a readiness level that protects ourselves and our interests. What that amount is is debatable.

This isn’t Germany.

There is worry about the militarisation of the police in the U.S isn’t there? Are the police not patriots? Do they have no problem with how they are being used? If not why will the vast majority of the Armed forces?

For run of the mill, basic doctor visits I have a co-pay ($20) and I can usually get in the same day. If I need a CT scan or MRI it is most often next day.

Compare that to the wait times in Canada (6 and 8 weeks respectively) and you begin to see the problem. Oh and ER wait times, here it’s never more than an hour at my hospital. Canada, not so much.

Did you read the link I posted about 50K+ canadians fleeing Canada for treatment in the U.S. Why would they do that if State medicine was better?

IIRC, under obamacare doctors and hospitals are paid based on the coding used for billing so you’d get the same shit. Veterans have literally, not figurative no exaggeration, died while waiting for care by the government run VA.

Do you think the accident rate will go up or go down as financial incentive goes down under government run healthcare? (The answer is up…)

There is no R&D incentive under universal healthcare. None. That is why the U.S. churns out research at rates higher than the rest of the world (probably combined).

I’m convinced a Navy dentist gave me a filling I did not need, fwiw… Went in pain free and spent the next 6 month with pain in the filled tooth.

That’s because you’re European :slight_smile:

Yep, if there is no incentive for research (GIVE IT TO THE COLLECTIVE) why spend the money to do it?

You are correct, the U.S. has infinitely higher research and development numbers in both medical device and pharma.

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Funny how many medical discoveries have come out of nations with universal healthcare… Almost as if you are misjudging incentive and that we can be motivated by helping people, not just money. Shocker I know.

Don’t even need a vast majority. 30% attrition rate and the government stands little chance without complete and total destruction of the country, which means totalitarian dictatorship, which means more and more civilian revolt.

You have to remember, we didn’t give up our guns, and protect our rights. Any government that wants stability here, needs to win the hearts and minds, and you can’t win a civil war that way as a totalitarian dictator.

Rounding up armed citizens bent on freedom is a lot different than rounding up unarmed Europeans.

Links or are you talking out of your ass?

Entirely different topic. that requires a discussion in regard to the 4th.

They are. The vast vast majority of police officers act within the law and in the best interest of the citizens they serve. They also work at the state or local level and wouldn’t just blindly follow an order by The fed. They’d probably join in rebellion actually, imo.

In short, they love their country and the vast majority of them aren’t going to arrest/kill the people in their neighborhoods because the gov says so.

For example?

It’s a different dynamic, but I don’t think the majority of either would try to squash a rebellion.