Why Are Humans Superior?

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[quote]asusvenus wrote:
Thought you folks would consider this very interesting.

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/the-brain-2/28-what-happened-to-hominids-who-were-smarter-than-us/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=

Even if brain size accounts for just 10 to 20 percent of an IQ test score, it is possible to conjecture what kind of average scores would be made by a group of people with 30 percent larger brains. We can readily calculate that a population with a mean brain size of 1,750 cc would be expected to have an average IQ of 149.

This is a score that would be labeled at the genius level. And if there was normal variability among Boskops, as among the rest of us, then perhaps 15 to 20 percent of them would be expected to score over 180. In a classroom with 35 big-headed, baby-faced Boskop kids, you would likely encounter five or six with IQ scores at the upper range of what has ever been recorded in human history. The Boskops coexisted with our Homo sapiens forebears. Just as we see the ancient Homo erectus as a savage primitive, Boskop may have viewed us in somewhat the same way.

They died and we lived, and we canâ??t answer the question why. Why didnâ??t they outthink the smaller-brained hominids like ourselves and spread across the planet? Perhaps they didnâ??t want to.

So… After reading that article, I felt like a common retardo. Damnit.[/quote]

The created liberalism and population control, because they thought the world was too crowded, just like some “smart” folks now.

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[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]

the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.

speech, but more importantly writing.

i’ve never seen cows in space.

also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.

i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
[/quote]

We didn’t domesticate dogs, the relationship evolved naturally through packs of “follower wolves” who took to following human bands & eating our scraps, read Wolf in the Parlor.

Also emotion, even complex emotions come from the mammalian brain that all mammals possess, not the primate brain, which gives us the ability to use logic to override emotions.

I’m not arguing against the superiority of humans, but these are poor examples, this is not a personal attack either.
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You must not deal with animals very much. I’m sure a feral dog will just “follow” you. Another example is horses, I have never met a wild horse that I could just sit on its back and ride, however I have broken horses to the point that they will let me sit on their back and ride.[/quote]

  Horses are different then dogs, we did intentionally domesticate horses.  I have no doubt you have more experience with horses then me, I'm not talking about horses.  I've kept dogs my entire life, & I'm not talking about feral dogs either, I'm talking about entire pack's of wolves that took to trailing bands of primitive humans around to take advantage of the fact that humans are litter bugs. Again check out the book "the Wolf in the Parlor" [/quote]

I’ll check it out, I’m still not buying the whole thing though. It might have helped but we still probably have had to go through a process of breaking the dogs to put it in their nature. Just like the longer you have a blood line of horses the easier to is to ride the horses. I know about dealing with dogs, I have a kennel in my backyard with a few dogs.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]

the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.

speech, but more importantly writing.

i’ve never seen cows in space.

also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.

i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
[/quote]

We didn’t domesticate dogs, the relationship evolved naturally through packs of “follower wolves” who took to following human bands & eating our scraps, read Wolf in the Parlor.

Also emotion, even complex emotions come from the mammalian brain that all mammals possess, not the primate brain, which gives us the ability to use logic to override emotions.

I’m not arguing against the superiority of humans, but these are poor examples, this is not a personal attack either.
[/quote]

You must not deal with animals very much. I’m sure a feral dog will just “follow” you. Another example is horses, I have never met a wild horse that I could just sit on its back and ride, however I have broken horses to the point that they will let me sit on their back and ride.[/quote]

  Horses are different then dogs, we did intentionally domesticate horses.  I have no doubt you have more experience with horses then me, I'm not talking about horses.  I've kept dogs my entire life, & I'm not talking about feral dogs either, I'm talking about entire pack's of wolves that took to trailing bands of primitive humans around to take advantage of the fact that humans are litter bugs. Again check out the book "the Wolf in the Parlor" [/quote]

I’ll check it out, I’m still not buying the whole thing though. It might have helped but we still probably have had to go through a process of breaking the dogs to put it in their nature. Just like the longer you have a blood line of horses the easier to is to ride the horses. I know about dealing with dogs, I have a kennel in my backyard with a few dogs.[/quote]

Oh we definitely went through a process of breaking the dogs & changing their nature, it’s just that the initial relationship more or less naturally occurred, as opposed to being intentionally forced upon all other (except cats, which don’t really count imo) domesticated animals.

It’s an interesting book the author obviously spent a good deal of time trying to understand the origins of the modern dog & it’s relationship with humans.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

Not really. We’re just pack animals. It’s beneficial to us from a survival standpoint not to kill each other on a whim.

Why are humans superior? I dunno, but the answer isn’t god.

[/quote]

That god illusion is a deterrent for a pack member to kill another pack member. if you want to control the people in the pack, make them fear being punished forever or promise them rewards forever. humans are tied to culture “beliefs” are a foundation of that.

I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.

there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
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There is a massive way to deny the impact of religion ON EVOLUTION (“society” might be a tad different), and its called “time.” Religion has only been around, at most, a few thousand years. Humans have largely been in our current state roughly 150,000 to 200,000 years according to the best available data. There is more than one good reason to avoid killing people and hurting other “tribe” members, and there is more than one good reason to do good things for people other than fear of Gods punishment. How do you explain atheists in todays society? Godless killing machines, right?

The idea of humans being “superior” relies on so many things. The emergence of complex Language and large, intelligent brains are chiefly responsible, also bipedality(freeing up 2 limbs), a thumb, and cooking (which essentially removes the work of the body to digest food to a large degree outside of the body, we dont need to spend all day eating grass and berries).

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:
They just found a species of octopus using “tools.” They filmed them taking huge shells and dragging them a certain distance and then making caves and hiding spots out of them.[/quote]

Get back to me when they conquer space, build skyscrapers to the clouds, develop Relativity and String theory, develop the equivalence of the works of Shakespeare, virtually conquer their own environment, and are able to even start to contemplate the meaning of their being. [/quote]

None of those things have any relevance at all to the topic of evolutionary superiority(which really is a bogus term in the first place).

The octopus might say “Get back to me when they conquer the sea, can function on dry land and underwater without the need for special equipment, have 8 appendages, can shoot ink out of their bodies and change the color of their skin to blend in with their surroundings” - They are just as adapted to their environment as we are, maybe even better. We just happen to be able to kill them.

“Art”, which socially and culturally important, doesnt do a damn thing in terms of successful adaptation. It might add “meaning” to life, but it doesnt increase species survival or the ability to reproduce (except for the fact that chicks dig artists…)

String theory (actually not even a theory, an unproven hypothesis), doesnt do anything to ensure species survival.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

Not really. We’re just pack animals. It’s beneficial to us from a survival standpoint not to kill each other on a whim.

Why are humans superior? I dunno, but the answer isn’t god.

[/quote]

That god illusion is a deterrent for a pack member to kill another pack member. if you want to control the people in the pack, make them fear being punished forever or promise them rewards forever. humans are tied to culture “beliefs” are a foundation of that.

I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.

there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
[/quote]

There is a massive way to deny the impact of religion ON EVOLUTION (“society” might be a tad different), and its called “time.” Religion has only been around, at most, a few thousand years. Humans have largely been in our current state roughly 150,000 to 200,000 years according to the best available data. There is more than one good reason to avoid killing people and hurting other “tribe” members, and there is more than one good reason to do good things for people other than fear of Gods punishment. How do you explain atheists in todays society? Godless killing machines, right?

The idea of humans being “superior” relies on so many things. The emergence of complex Language and large, intelligent brains are chiefly responsible, also bipedality(freeing up 2 limbs), a thumb, and cooking (which essentially removes the work of the body to digest food to a large degree outside of the body, we dont need to spend all day eating grass and berries).

[/quote]

I’m tired so I’ll skip the answering part, but I hope you already know the answers to these.

However, I would like to point out that if you do not understand why we are superior for the fact that we can comprehend the question if we are superior or not then I’m sorry.

Weak<Strong<Smart

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[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thick88 wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]TheCoolestLuke wrote:
I continually find it funny how humans assume they are superior to other species just because they are more intelligent, when in fact it hasn’t been proven that intelligence mean they are superior.[/quote]

the fact that we domesticated one of the most fearsome pack hunters on the planet is a good indicator.

speech, but more importantly writing.

i’ve never seen cows in space.

also the fact that you “find it funny” is a good indicator, i’ve never seen an animal laugh outside of a Disney movie, so you can chalk up complex emotions as another point for humankind.

i said COMPLEX emotion. not territorial displays and mating rituals.
[/quote]

We didn’t domesticate dogs, the relationship evolved naturally through packs of “follower wolves” who took to following human bands & eating our scraps, read Wolf in the Parlor.

Also emotion, even complex emotions come from the mammalian brain that all mammals possess, not the primate brain, which gives us the ability to use logic to override emotions.

I’m not arguing against the superiority of humans, but these are poor examples, this is not a personal attack either.
[/quote]

You must not deal with animals very much. I’m sure a feral dog will just “follow” you. Another example is horses, I have never met a wild horse that I could just sit on its back and ride, however I have broken horses to the point that they will let me sit on their back and ride.[/quote]

  Horses are different then dogs, we did intentionally domesticate horses.  I have no doubt you have more experience with horses then me, I'm not talking about horses.  I've kept dogs my entire life, & I'm not talking about feral dogs either, I'm talking about entire pack's of wolves that took to trailing bands of primitive humans around to take advantage of the fact that humans are litter bugs. Again check out the book "the Wolf in the Parlor" [/quote]

I’ll check it out, I’m still not buying the whole thing though. It might have helped but we still probably have had to go through a process of breaking the dogs to put it in their nature. Just like the longer you have a blood line of horses the easier to is to ride the horses. I know about dealing with dogs, I have a kennel in my backyard with a few dogs.[/quote]

Oh we definitely went through a process of breaking the dogs & changing their nature, it’s just that the initial relationship more or less naturally occurred, as opposed to being intentionally forced upon all other (except cats, which don’t really count imo) domesticated animals.

It’s an interesting book the author obviously spent a good deal of time trying to understand the origins of the modern dog & it’s relationship with humans. [/quote]

You just proved my point, we domesticated the dogs. I have dealt with wild dogs and horses alike, and I yes both have had some that are friendly to me and will skiddishly eat of my hand. However, I have never had a dog become domesticated this way, there was a process of training/breaking of the dogs and horses.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
the illusion of the creator drives progress.

most things have roots in devotion to a god.

no thought of a god, we are animals who would fight and kill each other at will

before atheists chime in, you are governed by laws that resemble those in scripture

this isnt limited to western religions, all culture aim to please some “force”

I’m assuming we are the only ones who worship.[/quote]

The “force” being pleased is that of survival and procreation. Yes a belief in a “God” can continue progress, but that is finite because it all withers down to violence (see my religon vs your religon). Survival of the fittest is what this is about and what it will always be about. Until we as humans realize this and stop pawning off events to a “God” or man made religon to justify our brutal reality we will always continue to rationalize in endless talk

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

Not really. We’re just pack animals. It’s beneficial to us from a survival standpoint not to kill each other on a whim.

Why are humans superior? I dunno, but the answer isn’t god.

[/quote]

That god illusion is a deterrent for a pack member to kill another pack member. if you want to control the people in the pack, make them fear being punished forever or promise them rewards forever. humans are tied to culture “beliefs” are a foundation of that.

I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.

there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
[/quote]

There is a massive way to deny the impact of religion ON EVOLUTION (“society” might be a tad different), and its called “time.” Religion has only been around, at most, a few thousand years. Humans have largely been in our current state roughly 150,000 to 200,000 years according to the best available data. There is more than one good reason to avoid killing people and hurting other “tribe” members, and there is more than one good reason to do good things for people other than fear of Gods punishment. How do you explain atheists in todays society? Godless killing machines, right?

The idea of humans being “superior” relies on so many things. The emergence of complex Language and large, intelligent brains are chiefly responsible, also bipedality(freeing up 2 limbs), a thumb, and cooking (which essentially removes the work of the body to digest food to a large degree outside of the body, we dont need to spend all day eating grass and berries).

[/quote]

I’m tired so I’ll skip the answering part, but I hope you already know the answers to these.

However, I would like to point out that if you do not understand why we are superior for the fact that we can comprehend the question if we are superior or not then I’m sorry.

Weak<Strong<Smart[/quote]

Says you, but ants and cockroaches will roam the Earth long after we re gone and if we blow ourselves up intelligence will have been nothing but a dead end.

You are a rainforest ape with deliusions regarding his species importance and accomplishments, like an elephant trumpeting his superiority due to his well developed nose.

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We invented the MMF.

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My picture should state my view on the subject.

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[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:
We invented the MMF. [/quote]

Google “Bonobo”.

Not even Pushharder comes even close.

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THUMBS!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:
We invented the MMF. [/quote]

Google “Bonobo”.

Not even Pushharder comes even close.

[/quote]

Shit, we can’t even claim that then.
I’m impressed though, those apes get it on bigtime!

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Did you know that Mallards are fond of gang rape and homosexual necrophilia?

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Did you know that Mallards are fond of gang rape and homosexual necrophilia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallard[/quote]

MMF = Mallard, Mallard, Female?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

Not really. We’re just pack animals. It’s beneficial to us from a survival standpoint not to kill each other on a whim.

Why are humans superior? I dunno, but the answer isn’t god.

[/quote]

That god illusion is a deterrent for a pack member to kill another pack member. if you want to control the people in the pack, make them fear being punished forever or promise them rewards forever. humans are tied to culture “beliefs” are a foundation of that.

I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.

there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
[/quote]

There is a massive way to deny the impact of religion ON EVOLUTION (“society” might be a tad different), and its called “time.” Religion has only been around, at most, a few thousand years. Humans have largely been in our current state roughly 150,000 to 200,000 years according to the best available data. There is more than one good reason to avoid killing people and hurting other “tribe” members, and there is more than one good reason to do good things for people other than fear of Gods punishment. How do you explain atheists in todays society? Godless killing machines, right?

The idea of humans being “superior” relies on so many things. The emergence of complex Language and large, intelligent brains are chiefly responsible, also bipedality(freeing up 2 limbs), a thumb, and cooking (which essentially removes the work of the body to digest food to a large degree outside of the body, we dont need to spend all day eating grass and berries).

[/quote]

I’m tired so I’ll skip the answering part, but I hope you already know the answers to these.

However, I would like to point out that if you do not understand why we are superior for the fact that we can comprehend the question if we are superior or not then I’m sorry.

Weak<Strong<Smart[/quote]

Says you, but ants and cockroaches will roam the Earth long after we re gone and if we blow ourselves up intelligence will have been nothing but a dead end.

You are a rainforest ape with deliusions regarding his species importance and accomplishments, like an elephant trumpeting his superiority due to his well developed nose.
[/quote]

Except I’m not an ape, thanks. Good try. Let me guess evolution proves God isn’t real too.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

Not really. We’re just pack animals. It’s beneficial to us from a survival standpoint not to kill each other on a whim.

Why are humans superior? I dunno, but the answer isn’t god.

[/quote]

That god illusion is a deterrent for a pack member to kill another pack member. if you want to control the people in the pack, make them fear being punished forever or promise them rewards forever. humans are tied to culture “beliefs” are a foundation of that.

I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.

there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
[/quote]

There is a massive way to deny the impact of religion ON EVOLUTION (“society” might be a tad different), and its called “time.” Religion has only been around, at most, a few thousand years. Humans have largely been in our current state roughly 150,000 to 200,000 years according to the best available data. There is more than one good reason to avoid killing people and hurting other “tribe” members, and there is more than one good reason to do good things for people other than fear of Gods punishment. How do you explain atheists in todays society? Godless killing machines, right?

The idea of humans being “superior” relies on so many things. The emergence of complex Language and large, intelligent brains are chiefly responsible, also bipedality(freeing up 2 limbs), a thumb, and cooking (which essentially removes the work of the body to digest food to a large degree outside of the body, we dont need to spend all day eating grass and berries).

[/quote]

I’m tired so I’ll skip the answering part, but I hope you already know the answers to these.

However, I would like to point out that if you do not understand why we are superior for the fact that we can comprehend the question if we are superior or not then I’m sorry.

Weak<Strong<Smart[/quote]

Says you, but ants and cockroaches will roam the Earth long after we re gone and if we blow ourselves up intelligence will have been nothing but a dead end.

You are a rainforest ape with deliusions regarding his species importance and accomplishments, like an elephant trumpeting his superiority due to his well developed nose.
[/quote]

Except I’m not an ape, thanks. Good try. Let me guess evolution proves God isn’t real too.[/quote]

No, but it pretty much “proves” that you are an ape.

A monkey without a tail that evolved in the rainforest.

In related news, you are also a mammal and a vertebrate.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

Not really. We’re just pack animals. It’s beneficial to us from a survival standpoint not to kill each other on a whim.

Why are humans superior? I dunno, but the answer isn’t god.

[/quote]

That god illusion is a deterrent for a pack member to kill another pack member. if you want to control the people in the pack, make them fear being punished forever or promise them rewards forever. humans are tied to culture “beliefs” are a foundation of that.

I think if nobody heard of heaven/hell they’d be animals. Look at feral children, they don’t care if they hurt you, they have no god to fear. They’ll eat you and think nothing of it. Religion is no doubt a player in our societal development.Even if that religion is just government tool to control the pack “gods” do determine a big portion.

there is no one answer but “god” is one of them. There’s no way to deny the impact of religion.
[/quote]

There is a massive way to deny the impact of religion ON EVOLUTION (“society” might be a tad different), and its called “time.” Religion has only been around, at most, a few thousand years. Humans have largely been in our current state roughly 150,000 to 200,000 years according to the best available data. There is more than one good reason to avoid killing people and hurting other “tribe” members, and there is more than one good reason to do good things for people other than fear of Gods punishment. How do you explain atheists in todays society? Godless killing machines, right?

The idea of humans being “superior” relies on so many things. The emergence of complex Language and large, intelligent brains are chiefly responsible, also bipedality(freeing up 2 limbs), a thumb, and cooking (which essentially removes the work of the body to digest food to a large degree outside of the body, we dont need to spend all day eating grass and berries).

[/quote]

I’m tired so I’ll skip the answering part, but I hope you already know the answers to these.

However, I would like to point out that if you do not understand why we are superior for the fact that we can comprehend the question if we are superior or not then I’m sorry.

Weak<Strong<Smart[/quote]

Says you, but ants and cockroaches will roam the Earth long after we re gone and if we blow ourselves up intelligence will have been nothing but a dead end.

You are a rainforest ape with deliusions regarding his species importance and accomplishments, like an elephant trumpeting his superiority due to his well developed nose.
[/quote]

Except I’m not an ape, thanks. Good try. Let me guess evolution proves God isn’t real too.[/quote]

No, but it pretty much “proves” that you are an ape.

A monkey without a tail that evolved in the rainforest.

In related news, you are also a mammal and a vertebrate.

[/quote]

Never know, the broadness of evolution (I believe evolution to be true, partially) is too much for me somedays.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Did you know that Mallards are fond of gang rape and homosexual necrophilia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallard[/quote]

That’s because the Creator loves to watch duck porn.