It’s actually due to Mike Mentzer. He tried to use philosophy to justify his goofy training methods. First it was Nietczhe,sp, in the 70s, then he jumped on the Rand train before he died.
I read a few of her books and enjoyed them, but using her ideas to justify training methods is goofy.
Well said. Other adjectives are: retarded, crap-tastic, dense, dumb-assery, Paris Hilton-ish and my personal favorite, “shitty”.
We can also blame the goofiness on “roidz” since they apparently explain every other ridiculous act in society.[/quote]
I did hear he had a hankering for meth.
I’ve know guys on steroids and have not seen roid rage. I’ve seen beer rage, and meth rage, and a combo cocktail of chemicals rage.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
It ain’t just Mentzer… you log onto any of the HIT websites and they are all whacked out on objectivism. I’m no philosophist but I just don’t understand what all that jabber has to do with strength training[/quote]
http://www.drdarden.com never talks about Rand and objectivism. So there! Ahh from what I understand objectivism is when you focus on yourself to get the most results and make your own life worth living. Bodybuilding is an equally selfish activity in its own right.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
Ayn Rand - Russian born American philosopher who extolled the virtues of individualism, benevolent selfishness and the free market, while denouncing religion, the welfare state, socialism.
Objectivism - the school of thought centered around Ayn Rand’s philosophy[/quote]
Erm… Plato was a philosopher. Hegel was a philosopher. Heidegger was a philosopher.
Ayn Rand might have been a philosopher, except for the little detail of her not quite understanding that well what the real philosophers had to say.
She was a pretty good motivational writer, and some of the themes developed by her seem to help some people get their shit together.
But to call her writings a “philosophy”… What’s next, creationism is Science?
[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
belligerent wrote:
It ain’t just Mentzer… you log onto any of the HIT websites and they are all whacked out on objectivism. I’m no philosophist but I just don’t understand what all that jabber has to do with strength training
http://www.drdarden.com never talks about Rand and objectivism. So there! Ahh from what I understand objectivism is when you focus on yourself to get the most results and make your own life worth living. Bodybuilding is an equally selfish activity in its own right.
Mentzer talked a lot about Rand in article before his death. He also talked about Nietzche in articles back in the 70s. He tried to justify his training methods with the stuff.
[quote]florin wrote:
entheogens wrote:
Ayn Rand - Russian born American philosopher who extolled the virtues of individualism, benevolent selfishness and the free market, while denouncing religion, the welfare state, socialism.
Objectivism - the school of thought centered around Ayn Rand’s philosophy
Erm… Plato was a philosopher. Hegel was a philosopher. Heidegger was a philosopher.
Ayn Rand might have been a philosopher, except for the little detail of her not quite understanding that well what the real philosophers had to say.
She was a pretty good motivational writer, and some of the themes developed by her seem to help some people get their shit together.
But to call her writings a “philosophy”… What’s next, creationism is Science?
rotfl[/quote]
Yeah I agree.
Her books were a good read but her philosophy was lacking when stacked up against more prolific philosophical writers.
Mentzer was an interesting figure and had some good points on training but I don’t see why anyone would put much stock in his later ideas as they were obviously coming from a disturbed and emotionally and physically unsound individual.