Who's Really Won?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

Al-Qaeda attacked us, not the Taliban.

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At the time of the 9/11 attacks al-Qaeda was the elite of the Taliban military - was in charge of all military training, held numerous government offices and ran Afghan’s national air service. Mullah Omar met with former ISI head Hamid Gul and was shown detailed nuclear secrets from AQ Khan and chemical/biological weapons plans. This was all BEFORE the 9/11 attacks in which the Taliban were complicit. I could go. But as far as I’m concerned the Afghan Taliban and al-Qaeda attacked the West.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
20% isn’t a substantial part.

but here’s the latest link:

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Yeah?

If 20% of the US forces could switch sides at any given moment you would consider it substantial.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You are in this mess because you did not simply take OBL out like you eventually did right at the start of this whole clusterfuck.

With the proper presentation from American media whor…, um, reporters, I think a dead OBL and a few alQuaeda bases being blown to smithereens by cruise missiles the American population bloodlust would have been satisfied, Americas enemies would have gotten the message and everyone would have lived happily ever after.

Well, almost everyone.
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Clinton used cruise missiles in the 90’s. It didn’t work.

Maybe the Taliban should have just handed Bin Laden over.

Do you agree Al-Qaeda is a threat and should we try and destroy them?[/quote]

A minor nuisance, that is more or less eradicated in Afghanistan.

The methods that are used to dealing with them now create much bigger problems down the road.

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Yes, but al-Qaeda is separate from the Taliban as well, having a wider ethnic base (Uzbeks, Algerians, Egyptians, Araabs, ect) and spread throughout the world ie al-Qaeda in North Africa, al-Qaeda in Iraq, ect, while the Taliban operates in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You are in this mess because you did not simply take OBL out like you eventually did right at the start of this whole clusterfuck.

With the proper presentation from American media whor…, um, reporters, I think a dead OBL and a few alQuaeda bases being blown to smithereens by cruise missiles the American population bloodlust would have been satisfied, Americas enemies would have gotten the message and everyone would have lived happily ever after.

Well, almost everyone.
[/quote]

Clinton used cruise missiles in the 90’s. It didn’t work.

Maybe the Taliban should have just handed Bin Laden over.

Do you agree Al-Qaeda is a threat and should we try and destroy them?[/quote]

A minor nuisance, that is more or less eradicated in Afghanistan.

The methods that are used to dealing with them now create much bigger problems down the road. [/quote]

Bullshit, Al-Qaeda’s spread worldwide. Whos a pussy, someone who’s trying to combat this foe or someone who would take your advise and stick their head in the sand and pretend it does not exist, and hopes it just goes away?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Facts like that US “intervention” have killed millions of people since the end of WWII with the expressed intent of influencing what political regimes will be implemented in nations thousands of miles off the coast of the US?

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Let’s be completely factual and admit that US intervention during and including WWI and II killed millions of of people with the expressed intent of influencing that political regimes would be implemented in nations thousands of miles off the coast of the US. Dumbass. You are a history dumbass if I ever saw one.

That’s what wars are all about whether they are offensive or defensive ones.

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Yeah, that is what terrorism is all about too.

“Changing hearts and minds” by using violence as a political tool.

A terrorist is someone who can afford bombs but no aircraft to drop them, but I guess I am just not sophisticated enough to see how that makes a difference.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

Al-Qaeda attacked us, not the Taliban.

[/quote]

At the time of the 9/11 attacks al-Qaeda was the elite of the Taliban military - was in charge of all military training, held numerous government offices and ran Afghan’s national air service. Mullah Omar met with former ISI head Hamid Gul and was shown detailed nuclear secrets from AQ Khan and chemical/biological weapons plans. This was all BEFORE the 9/11 attacks in which the Taliban were complicit. I could go. But as far as I’m concerned the Afghan Taliban and al-Qaeda attacked the West.[/quote]

The, mwuahahahahahah, Afghan national air service…

Alrighty then, there is an elite for you…

Pic for reference purposes…

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Yes, but al-Qaeda is separate from the Taliban as well, having a wider ethnic base (Uzbeks, Algerians, Egyptians, Araabs, ect) and spread throughout the world ie al-Qaeda in North Africa, al-Qaeda in Iraq, ect, while the Taliban operates in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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Yes, there and only there.

Their territory, which occasional raids into enemy territory.

al Quaeda is not even an organization, it is more of a franchise, like the OWS or the teaparty.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You are in this mess because you did not simply take OBL out like you eventually did right at the start of this whole clusterfuck.

With the proper presentation from American media whor…, um, reporters, I think a dead OBL and a few alQuaeda bases being blown to smithereens by cruise missiles the American population bloodlust would have been satisfied, Americas enemies would have gotten the message and everyone would have lived happily ever after.

Well, almost everyone.
[/quote]

Clinton used cruise missiles in the 90’s. It didn’t work.

Maybe the Taliban should have just handed Bin Laden over.

Do you agree Al-Qaeda is a threat and should we try and destroy them?[/quote]

A minor nuisance, that is more or less eradicated in Afghanistan.

The methods that are used to dealing with them now create much bigger problems down the road. [/quote]

Bullshit, Al-Qaeda’s spread worldwide. Whos a pussy, someone who’s trying to combat this foe or someone who would take your advise and stick their head in the sand and pretend it does not exist, and hopes it just goes away?
[/quote]

For all practical purposes it does not exist and it will go away on its own.

Also, if it is a problem it is a ME one and not an American or European one. Let them resolve their disputes, we have enough problems of our own.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

Al-Qaeda attacked us, not the Taliban.

[/quote]

At the time of the 9/11 attacks al-Qaeda was the elite of the Taliban military - was in charge of all military training, held numerous government offices and ran Afghan’s national air service. Mullah Omar met with former ISI head Hamid Gul and was shown detailed nuclear secrets from AQ Khan and chemical/biological weapons plans. This was all BEFORE the 9/11 attacks in which the Taliban were complicit. I could go. But as far as I’m concerned the Afghan Taliban and al-Qaeda attacked the West.[/quote]

The, mwuahahahahahah, Afghan national air service…

Alrighty then, there is an elite for you…

Pic for reference purposes…[/quote]

World’s largest heroin smuggling ring. After the decline of Asian syndicates in the mid 90’s Ariana(al-Qaeda) airlines, in collusion with state-backed Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout controlled more than half the world’s heroin supply. Of course they had to pay a lot of kickbacks to Pakistani syndicates and then they also controlled the world’s largest smuggling corridors - Ancient Silk road routes through the Kyber and through Pakistani Balucistan.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

Al-Qaeda attacked us, not the Taliban.

[/quote]

At the time of the 9/11 attacks al-Qaeda was the elite of the Taliban military - was in charge of all military training, held numerous government offices and ran Afghan’s national air service. Mullah Omar met with former ISI head Hamid Gul and was shown detailed nuclear secrets from AQ Khan and chemical/biological weapons plans. This was all BEFORE the 9/11 attacks in which the Taliban were complicit. I could go. But as far as I’m concerned the Afghan Taliban and al-Qaeda attacked the West.[/quote]

The, mwuahahahahahah, Afghan national air service…

Alrighty then, there is an elite for you…

Pic for reference purposes…[/quote]

World’s largest heroin smuggling ring. After the decline of Asian syndicates in the mid 90’s Ariana(al-Qaeda) airlines, in collusion with state-backed Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout controlled more than half the world’s heroin supply. Of course they had to pay a lot of kickbacks to Pakistani syndicates and then they also controlled the world’s largest smuggling corridors - Ancient Silk road routes through the Kyber and through Pakistani Balucistan.[/quote]

So?

Legalize it and grow your own.

Problem solved, I am a bona fide genius.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You are in this mess because you did not simply take OBL out like you eventually did right at the start of this whole clusterfuck.

With the proper presentation from American media whor…, um, reporters, I think a dead OBL and a few alQuaeda bases being blown to smithereens by cruise missiles the American population bloodlust would have been satisfied, Americas enemies would have gotten the message and everyone would have lived happily ever after.

Well, almost everyone.
[/quote]

Clinton used cruise missiles in the 90’s. It didn’t work.

Maybe the Taliban should have just handed Bin Laden over.

Do you agree Al-Qaeda is a threat and should we try and destroy them?[/quote]

A minor nuisance, that is more or less eradicated in Afghanistan.

The methods that are used to dealing with them now create much bigger problems down the road. [/quote]

Bullshit, Al-Qaeda’s spread worldwide. Whos a pussy, someone who’s trying to combat this foe or someone who would take your advise and stick their head in the sand and pretend it does not exist, and hopes it just goes away?
[/quote]

For all practical purposes it does not exist and it will go away on its own.

Also, if it is a problem it is a ME one and not an American or European one. Let them resolve their disputes, we have enough problems of our own. [/quote]

For sure. Even though al-Qaeda is in Indonesia and the Philippines and the Balkans and France and Italy and Russia and literally a hundred other countries/places it’s a ME problem. Even though they inspire their followers with the idea that the entire world needs to be subjugated/exterminated and live under an Islamic theocracy the real reason they do what they do is because of what they say to the Western media.

In fact, Nazi Germany was a European/North African problem - Jews dragged 'em into one war, stabbed 'em in the back then dragged them into another. Just check out what Goebbels said. And Imperial Japan was an Asian problem. None of these fucking problems ever come home to roost and whatever ‘solution’ the Arab League have for the ‘Zionist entity’ is their business. Whatever the North Koreans want is groovy so long as it doesn’t affect trade - why would wars around strategic shipping lanes affect trade? Why would possibly nuclear wars affect the international economy or the US economy? Why would the West need an ally in a backwater like the ME? There’s nothing important there. Oh that’s right! Iran is the best potential ally if only we stop the ‘meddling.’ Twelvers would be much better friends than some crazy democracy run by Jews and Arabs.

Putin and Chavez just fund Ron Paul’s campaign because they care for the American people. America is an hermetically sealed bubble and anything outside of that bubble can’t affect Americans or trade or access to oil or shipping lanes or anything like that and we just need to leave the poor Russians and Islamists and Venezuelans and Red Chinese alone! Just gotta stop this gosh darn meddling! Meddling in our own interests! You know why 9/11 happened on U.S. soil? We were there! We gotta pull out!

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

You are in this mess because you did not simply take OBL out like you eventually did right at the start of this whole clusterfuck.

With the proper presentation from American media whor…, um, reporters, I think a dead OBL and a few alQuaeda bases being blown to smithereens by cruise missiles the American population bloodlust would have been satisfied, Americas enemies would have gotten the message and everyone would have lived happily ever after.

Well, almost everyone.
[/quote]

Clinton used cruise missiles in the 90’s. It didn’t work.

Maybe the Taliban should have just handed Bin Laden over.

Do you agree Al-Qaeda is a threat and should we try and destroy them?[/quote]

A minor nuisance, that is more or less eradicated in Afghanistan.

The methods that are used to dealing with them now create much bigger problems down the road. [/quote]

Bullshit, Al-Qaeda’s spread worldwide. Whos a pussy, someone who’s trying to combat this foe or someone who would take your advise and stick their head in the sand and pretend it does not exist, and hopes it just goes away?
[/quote]

For all practical purposes it does not exist and it will go away on its own.

Also, if it is a problem it is a ME one and not an American or European one. Let them resolve their disputes, we have enough problems of our own. [/quote]

For sure. Even though al-Qaeda is in Indonesia and the Philippines and the Balkans and France and Italy and Russia and literally a hundred other countries/places it’s a ME problem. Even though they inspire their followers with the idea that the entire world needs to be subjugated/exterminated and live under an Islamic theocracy the real reason they do what they do is because of what they say to the Western media.
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Meh…

They can “inspire” their handful of retard followers to worship Cthulu for all I care, they have about as much political impact as the Raelians.

Also, they have priorities. Maybe they would like to build a world wide caliphate, maybe they would like to punish us for our sinful ways, much in the same way that I would like to like to lay waste to the Swedish beach volleyball team, meaning, the chances are slim to nonexistent and they focus on other things in the meantime.

Even if they managed another 9-11, my advice would be…stop smoking and buckle your seat belt. If you want to go apeshit, take a walk every other day.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Putin and Chavez just fund Ron Paul’s campaign because they care for the American people. America is an hermetically sealed bubble and anything outside of that bubble can’t affect Americans or trade or access to oil or shipping lanes or anything like that and we just need to leave the poor Russians and Islamists and Venezuelans and Red Chinese alone! Just gotta stop this gosh darn meddling! Meddling in our own interests! You know why 9/11 happened on U.S. soil? We were there! We gotta pull out![/quote]

I see you are already intimately familiar with the Raelians…

Well, their spaceship should arrive any minute now, dont forget that they can only transport your soul and not your body.

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In light of SMs recent post:

Hillary Clinton


US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, on Thursday, openly admitted the US had encouraged protests in Russia after Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party held on to power in the most recent elections.

Clinton didn’t deny Putin’s accusation that she was stirring up trouble and backing protests in Russia. Instead, she responded by saying her having done so “doesn’t justify Russian military counter-measures” taken once the protests erupted.

The secretary added the United States was not alone in “expressing concerns” over voting irregularities.

“Human rights is a part of who we are. And we expressed concerns that we thought were well founded about the conduct of the elections,” she said.

“We are supportive of the rights and aspirations of the Russian people to be able to make progress and realize a better future for themselves,” Clinton added.

The prime minister had accused the United States of encouraging protests over Russia’s parliamentary election. He also asserted hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign funds ? mostly American ? were used to fund the campaigns of opposition parties.

Also, its Israel national news, anyone questioning this source is automatically an anti-semite.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

Al-Qaeda attacked us, not the Taliban.

[/quote]

At the time of the 9/11 attacks al-Qaeda was the elite of the Taliban military - was in charge of all military training, held numerous government offices and ran Afghan’s national air service. Mullah Omar met with former ISI head Hamid Gul and was shown detailed nuclear secrets from AQ Khan and chemical/biological weapons plans. This was all BEFORE the 9/11 attacks in which the Taliban were complicit. I could go. But as far as I’m concerned the Afghan Taliban and al-Qaeda attacked the West.[/quote]

The, mwuahahahahahah, Afghan national air service…

Alrighty then, there is an elite for you…

Pic for reference purposes…[/quote]

World’s largest heroin smuggling ring. After the decline of Asian syndicates in the mid 90’s Ariana(al-Qaeda) airlines, in collusion with state-backed Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout controlled more than half the world’s heroin supply. Of course they had to pay a lot of kickbacks to Pakistani syndicates and then they also controlled the world’s largest smuggling corridors - Ancient Silk road routes through the Kyber and through Pakistani Balucistan.[/quote]

So?

Legalize it and grow your own.

Problem solved, I am a bona fide genius. [/quote]

Think maybe the reason the PLA in China amongst others advocate flooding the West with heroin is because they are right when they say it will have a detrimental impact on our societies in a way similar to how it has a detrimental impact on every other society? Think things like that ever orion?

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Ho Chi Minh lives on. He understood the geo-political/military value of defeating us in our own streets on our own television sets. he wasn’t feeding us heroin, but the principle of social warfare is the point. Drugs in this case are the weapon.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

Al-Qaeda attacked us, not the Taliban.

[/quote]

At the time of the 9/11 attacks al-Qaeda was the elite of the Taliban military - was in charge of all military training, held numerous government offices and ran Afghan’s national air service. Mullah Omar met with former ISI head Hamid Gul and was shown detailed nuclear secrets from AQ Khan and chemical/biological weapons plans. This was all BEFORE the 9/11 attacks in which the Taliban were complicit. I could go. But as far as I’m concerned the Afghan Taliban and al-Qaeda attacked the West.[/quote]

The, mwuahahahahahah, Afghan national air service…

Alrighty then, there is an elite for you…

Pic for reference purposes…[/quote]

World’s largest heroin smuggling ring. After the decline of Asian syndicates in the mid 90’s Ariana(al-Qaeda) airlines, in collusion with state-backed Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout controlled more than half the world’s heroin supply. Of course they had to pay a lot of kickbacks to Pakistani syndicates and then they also controlled the world’s largest smuggling corridors - Ancient Silk road routes through the Kyber and through Pakistani Balucistan.[/quote]

So?

Legalize it and grow your own.

Problem solved, I am a bona fide genius. [/quote]

Think maybe the reason the PLA in China amongst others advocate flooding the West with heroin is because they are right when they say it will have a detrimental impact on our societies in a way similar to how it has a detrimental impact on every other society? Think things like that ever orion?[/quote]

Think there is a reason why they dealt with that in their own country instead of bombing the UK?

Huh?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Ho Chi Minh lives on. He understood the geo-political/military value of defeating us in our own streets on our own television sets. he wasn’t feeding us heroin, but the principle of social warfare is the point. Drugs in this case are the weapon. [/quote]

Well that battlefield is not so much chosen by the enemy but by Americans themselves.

Where else would you go to if the supposed sovereign spends his life in front of the boob tube?