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[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I mean there are some big boys here. BigBoss or BigBossMan came to mind (a muay thai fighter) so did Alpha ( an mma fighter among other things)

So to say I doubt she can take everyone here seems pretty reasonable. [/quote]

she would ko your fat ass that is for sure lol[/quote]

She could undoubtedly choke or submit me. She has all of 1 KO in her UFC career so while she can still more than likely “ko my fat ass” I still think it’s a long shot. I am not an untrained average male.

why you angry brah? [/quote]

LMFAO

so now it’s a “long shot” that ronda rousey a professional fighter and olympic medallist would beat you… some random fat guy.

purely because she is a woman/ weighs less than you?

i am glad you are still posting in this thread, i rarely meet people this ignorant in real life it’s fun to see what they are like.[/quote]

DA readin ain’t too strong wiff you is it?

I said she would in all likelihood “beat me” (What she would be beating me in I don’t know). I even said how (submission). It is partly because she is a woman and partly because she weighs less. It also, like I said, would depend on the situation.

Is she an Olympic medalist in boxing? Do they strike in Judo in the Olympics now? She is not a KO specialist. She doesn’t knock her opponents out. She armbars them. She could arm bar me, easily. I never had great submission defense and my BJJ isn’t all that good anyway.

If anyone is ignorant it’s you. You watch a little UFC or whatever and you think your some kind of expert.

You don’t know anything about my background. I’ve been punched in the face, I’ve been choked out, I’ve been armbared, I’ve been triangled and its been by grown men both larger and smaller than myself.

Lastly, where are your pictures? You’ve been calling me fat for 2 pages now. I weigh 205lbs.

Post some pics.[/quote]

my reading comprehension is fine, im directly quoting you above you moron.

the fact that you have been beaten up by men smaller than yourself proves what exactly lol.

and why would she need to be an olympic medallist in boxing?

you’re getting yourself tied up in knots here.

all im disagreeing with is this: you are claiming that in a “bar fight” she would struggle greatly against you/average Joe’s. im strongly disagreeing based on her being a legit very experienced world class professional fighter. that is all.
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No, your reading comprehension is terrible. No where did I say anything even remotely close to “she would struggle greatly against you/average Joe’s.” Nothing I wrote could even be misunderstood to mean that sentence. Again, your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Depends on what you mean by “fuck up”

Would she absolutely destroy everyone here in an mma or judo match yes. 100% undoubtedly.

Would she beat everyone her in a fist / bar fight, I doubt that. [/quote]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
She’s a great fighter, LIKE I FUCKING SAID.

A no rules fight is an entirely different matter.[/quote]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ya, she could hold her own and dominate a lot of men.

That’s why I used term everyone in the above sentence.[/quote]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
She could undoubtedly choke or submit me. She has all of 1 KO in her UFC career so while she can still more than likely “ko my fat ass” I still think it’s a long shot. I am not an untrained average male. [/quote]

That’s pretty much everything.

Where are your pics?

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[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:
so now it’s a “long shot” that ronda rousey a professional fighter and olympic medallist would beat you… some random fat guy.
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This fat guy would get his ass kicked by Ronda Rousey.

Why? Because he’s fat. Fuck you, you illiterate fuck.[/quote]

stop the attention seeking you loser

im really not interested
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Word.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:
all im disagreeing with is this: you are claiming that in a “bar fight” she would struggle greatly against you/average Joe’s. im strongly disagreeing based on her being a legit very experienced world class professional fighter. that is all.
[/quote]
You clearly disagree with his body comp as well. Be honest.[/quote]

Lol, I said nothing even remotely like TheCB’s post…

Pics TheCB where they at?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Exactly.

Could Rousy beat Cruz or Faber, I seriously doubt it. She certainly wouldn’t dominate ether fighter. Could she beat Demetrious Johnson? Again, I doubt it. These are the folks she would be fighting. Johnson is even smaller than her. [/quote]

I don’t think so. Once the body sizes are about equal, strength isn’t that big of a factor in submission grappling.

It is one thing to claim someone like GSP or BJ Penn would beat Rousey with ease. They would beat her because they’re both not only really good at submission grappling, but they’re also quite a bit taller and heavier.

But when the size is about the same, it no longer becomes a big factor. Particularly if neither party are strength athletes.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Exactly.

Could Rousy beat Cruz or Faber, I seriously doubt it. She certainly wouldn’t dominate ether fighter. Could she beat Demetrious Johnson? Again, I doubt it. These are the folks she would be fighting. Johnson is even smaller than her. [/quote]

I don’t think so. Once the body sizes are about equal, strength isn’t that big of a factor in submission grappling.[/quote]
What about the other elements of the fight?

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What about the other elements of the fight?[/quote]

This is why it depends on the fight itself.

Is it an MMA match between Faber and Rousey? Or is it a bar fight where someone jumps the other fellow? Or is it a boxing match?

That being said, it is generally accepted that pure strength isn’t too terribly important in most stand-up martial arts. Strength is more relevant in submission wrestling really, but I’m pretty damned sure Rousey is better at that than any of the men of comparable weight-classes.

So I’m not entirely sure why the general rule of “men are stronger than women” matter in other elements of an MMA fight.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Exactly.

Could Rousy beat Cruz or Faber, I seriously doubt it. She certainly wouldn’t dominate ether fighter. Could she beat Demetrious Johnson? Again, I doubt it. These are the folks she would be fighting. Johnson is even smaller than her. [/quote]

I don’t think so. Once the body sizes are about equal, strength isn’t that big of a factor in submission grappling.

It is one thing to claim someone like GSP or BJ Penn would beat Rousey with ease. They would beat her because they’re both not only really good at submission grappling, but they’re also quite a bit taller and heavier.

But when the size is about the same, it no longer becomes a big factor. Particularly if neither party are strength athletes.[/quote]

I somewhat disagree. First at the same weight the amount of lean mass on men is going to be higher. Rousy still has boobs, for example…

Faber, Cruz, Johnson, etc… are going to be stronger and faster (being the more important factor imo) at that weight. If she could get them to the ground and it becomes a grappling match, then she has a better chance, but UFC fighters aren’t stupid (at fighting anyway). Especially the elite like these guys. They would defend the take down and turn any MMA fight into a striking match. Strikes, she losses. She losses more so than not.

Now, they have a judo match, ya she probably wins much more often than she losses. That is one of her specialties and she’s incredible at it. They have a grappling only match, ya she probably holds her own and I’d say wins and loses equally (it’s not like these guys don’t train their BJJ / wrestling).

There are a lot of factors. She will have a better ground game then some and not as good as others. Could she take BJ Penn on the ground, no. Rampage Jackson, ya of course, but he’d probably knock her teeth out first.

Biology is still biology.

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[quote]magick wrote:
That being said, it is generally accepted that pure strength isn’t too terribly important in most stand-up martial arts.[/quote]

Pure strength perhaps, but punching power certainly is and most men including the ones listed hit harder.

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Strength is more relevant in submission wrestling really, but I’m pretty damned sure Rousey is better at that than any of the men of comparable weight-classes. [/quote]
She might be better, but by how much is the question? Is her skill set so much better than a guy like Faber that it nullifies his higher physicality? I don’t think so, imo.

Faber has 17 submission wins in the UFC from what I can tell. That’s more submission wins than Rousy has had fights.

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So I’m not entirely sure why the general rule of “men are stronger than women” matter in other elements of an MMA fight.[/quote]

When we are talking about the elite of a sport every advantage will effect the outcome.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What about the other elements of the fight?[/quote]

This is why it depends on the fight itself.

Is it an MMA match between Faber and Rousey? Or is it a bar fight where someone jumps the other fellow? Or is it a boxing match?

That being said, it is generally accepted that pure strength isn’t too terribly important in most stand-up martial arts. Strength is more relevant in submission wrestling really, but I’m pretty damned sure Rousey is better at that than any of the men of comparable weight-classes.

So I’m not entirely sure why the general rule of “men are stronger than women” matter in other elements of an MMA fight.[/quote]
I’ll take your word for it, but didn’t you just state that strength isn’t that big of a factor in submission grappling? Do you consider “submission wrestling” to be a different discipline? Or do you think that strength in virtually meaningless in a physical bout?

I find it hard to believe that strength wouldn’t have a considerable impact on pretty much all elements of a fight. Seeing that I have felt its advantages and see others demonstrate those advantages themselves.

Regarding the “men stronger than women” principle, pointing out sexual dimorphism wasn’t meant to isolate the strength difference but also the difference in body structure (as well as the resilience of those structures) as a whole. A woman’s bones may break more easily for instance. However, you are correct in that size similarity will close the structural gap quite a bit.

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Jennifer Thompson, a powerlifter, is 135 lbs. Look up her strength stats.

Jennifer Thompson is a 1%er, but we’d all have to agree that Ronda Rousey is also. Just some thoughts…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I mean there are some big boys here. BigBoss or BigBossMan came to mind (a muay thai fighter) so did Alpha ( an mma fighter among other things)

So to say I doubt she can take everyone here seems pretty reasonable. [/quote]

she would ko your fat ass that is for sure lol[/quote]

She could undoubtedly choke or submit me. She has all of 1 KO in her UFC career so while she can still more than likely “ko my fat ass” I still think it’s a long shot. I am not an untrained average male.

why you angry brah? [/quote]

LMFAO

so now it’s a “long shot” that ronda rousey a professional fighter and olympic medallist would beat you… some random fat guy.

purely because she is a woman/ weighs less than you?

i am glad you are still posting in this thread, i rarely meet people this ignorant in real life it’s fun to see what they are like.[/quote]

DA readin ain’t too strong wiff you is it?

I said she would in all likelihood “beat me” (What she would be beating me in I don’t know). I even said how (submission). It is partly because she is a woman and partly because she weighs less. It also, like I said, would depend on the situation.

Is she an Olympic medalist in boxing? Do they strike in Judo in the Olympics now? She is not a KO specialist. She doesn’t knock her opponents out. She armbars them. She could arm bar me, easily. I never had great submission defense and my BJJ isn’t all that good anyway.

If anyone is ignorant it’s you. You watch a little UFC or whatever and you think your some kind of expert.

You don’t know anything about my background. I’ve been punched in the face, I’ve been choked out, I’ve been armbared, I’ve been triangled and its been by grown men both larger and smaller than myself.

Lastly, where are your pictures? You’ve been calling me fat for 2 pages now. I weigh 205lbs.

Post some pics.[/quote]

my reading comprehension is fine, im directly quoting you above you moron.

the fact that you have been beaten up by men smaller than yourself proves what exactly lol.

and why would she need to be an olympic medallist in boxing?

you’re getting yourself tied up in knots here.

all im disagreeing with is this: you are claiming that in a “bar fight” she would struggle greatly against you/average Joe’s. im strongly disagreeing based on her being a legit very experienced world class professional fighter. that is all.
[/quote]

No, your reading comprehension is terrible. No where did I say anything even remotely close to “she would struggle greatly against you/average Joe’s.” Nothing I wrote could even be misunderstood to mean that sentence. Again, your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Depends on what you mean by “fuck up”

Would she absolutely destroy everyone here in an mma or judo match yes. 100% undoubtedly.

Would she beat everyone her in a fist / bar fight, I doubt that. [/quote]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
She’s a great fighter, LIKE I FUCKING SAID.

A no rules fight is an entirely different matter.[/quote]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ya, she could hold her own and dominate a lot of men.

That’s why I used term everyone in the above sentence.[/quote]

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
She could undoubtedly choke or submit me. She has all of 1 KO in her UFC career so while she can still more than likely “ko my fat ass” I still think it’s a long shot. I am not an untrained average male. [/quote]

That’s pretty much everything.

Where are your pics? [/quote]

wtf do pics of me prove? based on your log im bigger, leaner and stronger than you. so what?

we are talking about something totally different.

you also seem to be getting more and more irate.

you are an ignorant dumbass get over it.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I somewhat disagree. First at the same weight the amount of lean mass on men is going to be higher. Rousy still has boobs, for example…[/quote]

No doubt, but is it enough to give them a clear advantage? I don’t know. I don’t think the amount of clean mass those guys are carrying is enough to give them as much of an advantage you think they will though.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If she could get them to the ground and it becomes a grappling match, then she has a better chance, but UFC fighters aren’t stupid (at fighting anyway). Especially the elite like these guys. They would defend the take down and turn any MMA fight into a striking match. Strikes, she losses. She losses more so than not.[/quote]

Yes, but that is clearly more of technique reasons than strength isn’t it? Rousey is not a boxer or a kick-boxer or a muay thai person. Submission wrestling is her strength. It seems pretty obvious that she’ll lose if she can’t get them down onto the ground.

The point is- I just don’t think the “men are stronger than women” apply all that much when they’re the same size and weight. Keep in mind that height is also a very important part of it.

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[quote]TheCB wrote:
wtf do pics of me prove?

based on your log im bigger, leaner and stronger than you. so what? [/quote]

You keep calling me a fat ass, put you money where your mouth is.

[quote]
we are talking about something totally different. [/quote]
It has nothing to do with what we’re talking about it. It has to do with you being a twat.

[quote]
you also seem to be getting more and more irate. [/quote]
Nope, I couldn’t care less what some random asshole thinks.

I am neither of those things. You on the other hand definitely can’t read and are a pussy.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Jennifer Thompson, a powerlifter, is 135 lbs. Look up her strength stats.

Jennifer Thompson is a 1%er, but we’d all have to agree that Ronda Rousey is also. Just some thoughts…[/quote]
Are you implying that Ronda can bench 300lbs in a powerlifting meet? lol

I’m fucking with you.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:
I’ll take your word for it, but didn’t you just state that strength isn’t that big of a factor in submission grappling? Do you consider “submission wrestling” to be a different discipline? Or do you think that strength in virtually meaningless in a physical bout?[/quote]

Slip of the tongue. I meant submission grappling when I wrote “wrestling”.

And I meant that strength isn’t considered to matter all that much in both stand-up and submission grappling. But, between the two, strength matters more in submission grappling than stand-up. After all, you’re directly having to deal with a weight that is pressing onto you when you’re grappling. Punching someone is almost entirely about the force you can generate from using your body properly. Technique is far more important here.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I somewhat disagree. First at the same weight the amount of lean mass on men is going to be higher. Rousy still has boobs, for example…[/quote]

No doubt, but is it enough to give them a clear advantage? I don’t know. I don’t think the amount of clean mass those guys are carrying is enough to give them as much of an advantage you think they will though. [/quote]

I also don’t know, but we do know, in general, more lean mass at the same weight = more strength, power, etc… In this case there’s no real way to know; however, all of these guys and girl are at the top of their respective classes so any advantage is going to affect the outcome.

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If she could get them to the ground and it becomes a grappling match, then she has a better chance, but UFC fighters aren’t stupid (at fighting anyway). Especially the elite like these guys. They would defend the take down and turn any MMA fight into a striking match. Strikes, she losses. She losses more so than not.[/quote]

Yes, but that is clearly more of technique reasons than strength isn’t it? Rousey is not a boxer or a kick-boxer or a muay thai person. Submission wrestling is her strength. It seems pretty obvious that she’ll lose if she can’t get them down onto the ground.

The point is- I just don’t think the “men are stronger than women” apply all that much when they’re the same size and weight. Keep in mind that height is also a very important part of it.[/quote]

Yes, more technique than strength. Yes “men are stronger than women” is not as important here, but as I said at this level a tiny difference becomes a big advantage.

Another point I was trying to make is that MMA fights don’t start on the ground. She would have to either take them there or coax them into go there themselves. If she can’t accomplish that, it becomes a striking match that she will almost certainly lose.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Jennifer Thompson, a powerlifter, is 135 lbs. Look up her strength stats.

Jennifer Thompson is a 1%er, but we’d all have to agree that Ronda Rousey is also. Just some thoughts…[/quote]

Ya, she’s incredible.

How does she compare to 135lbs men? I don’t keep up with Powerlifting records, federations, etc…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:
wtf do pics of me prove?

based on your log im bigger, leaner and stronger than you. so what? [/quote]

You keep calling me a fat ass, put you money where your mouth is.

[quote]
we are talking about something totally different. [/quote]
It has nothing to do with what we’re talking about it. It has to do with you being a twat.

[quote]
you also seem to be getting more and more irate. [/quote]
Nope, I couldn’t care less what some random asshole thinks.

I am neither of those things. You on the other hand definitely can’t read and are a pussy. [/quote]

LOL

read this all back to yourself

have a beer and calm down man

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
I’ll take your word for it, but didn’t you just state that strength isn’t that big of a factor in submission grappling? Do you consider “submission wrestling” to be a different discipline? Or do you think that strength in virtually meaningless in a physical bout?[/quote]

Slip of the tongue. I meant submission grappling when I wrote “wrestling”.

And I meant that strength isn’t considered to matter all that much in both stand-up and submission grappling. But, between the two, strength matters more in submission grappling than stand-up. After all, you’re directly having to deal with a weight that is pressing onto you when you’re grappling. Punching someone is almost entirely about the force you can generate from using your body properly. Technique is far more important here.
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When skill sets are equal or close strength will play a factor. A layman will no over power a skilled practitioner.