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[quote]Jason Lee wrote:
I shoot both archery and firearms. Steady hands are a must for both. If you’re just looking to get into one or the other, I would choose firearms. If you stick with a .22 it will probably be a lot cheaper than setting yourself up with a bow and arrows. Arrows are fairly expensive and get lost or bent easily if you’re shooting anywhere besides your back yard. Ammo for a .22 is very cheap and they’re a lot of fun to shoot. [/quote]

Yup on the steady hands, although the wrist release will at least get your finger off the string which helps. If you buy a bow, get one of these foam filled bag targets. Use it in front of the hay bales. It will save you a lot of grief trying to pull arrows out of hay without breaking them.

Agree about the .22. Cheap to shoot and lots of fun. I’m resisting the urge to put up a cute picture of my daughter shooting one!

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Recs for a good “beginner” handgun? Something to take to the range, is light, cheap ammo, reliable?
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Ruger MK II or
Beretta NEOS,

Both .22 rimfire, cheap ammo,
and both are inexpensive firearms
but fairly accurate.

My brother and I own a pawn/gun shop
and recommend these two to people just
starting out.

PM and I’ll look up the prices.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Some things to remember in the event of Zombie invasion…

Blades don’t need reloading.

Keep moving, keep low, keep quiet.

Ear plugs are handy. The constant moaning of the undead can effect your psychological state.

No place is safe, only safer.

Max Brooks - The Zombie Survival Guide[/quote]

Blades however do require maintenance. Cutting through the neck of a zombie I’m sure is no easy feat with a dull blade.

Bashing is the way forward in my opinion. The usefulness of something like a crowbar/mace combination shouldn’t be overlooked!

ed - not that I don’t think swinging a sword around doesn’t sound feckin cool, but to be removing the heads of moving zombies accurately you’d have to be Ogami Itto or something. Technique just doesn’t come easily!
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Double tap…always double tap. Medieval tools seem to be a suitable, but tend to be for the larger carriers as they are a little cumbersome to wield.[/quote]

I would have to say that edged or impact weapons should be a backup to firearms. It’s all about standoff distance. Also, most blades suitable for beheading are too long to swing indoors, and beheading someone while they’re standing up is an awkward movement anyway. I would suggest something short and relatively heavy, but suitable for a one handed swing. Also, what about splatter? Is that shit infectious or what? Just something to consider.

Others with better qualifications have already spoken about the best guns for the Zombie Apocalypse so I’ll only say that I think some sort of suppressor is a good idea, as noise tends to give your position away to the undead hordes. Of course if you don’t care about going loud you could do worse than the aa-12 full auto shotgun IMO.

OP - .22 is an inexpensive place to get started and, as mentioned, a rifle would probably be better with the shaky hands.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Some things to remember in the event of Zombie invasion…

Blades don’t need reloading.

Keep moving, keep low, keep quiet.

Ear plugs are handy. The constant moaning of the undead can effect your psychological state.

No place is safe, only safer.

Max Brooks - The Zombie Survival Guide[/quote]

That’s why I carry around the weapon in my avatar pic. You never know when an average Sunday will call for some zombie head loppin’.

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[quote]Stern wrote:
Blades however do require maintenance. Cutting through the neck of a zombie I’m sure is no easy feat with a dull blade.

Bashing is the way forward in my opinion. The usefulness of something like a crowbar/mace combination shouldn’t be overlooked!

ed - not that I don’t think swinging a sword around doesn’t sound feckin cool, but to be removing the heads of moving zombies accurately you’d have to be Ogami Itto or something. Technique just doesn’t come easily!
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It’s a common misconception that blades go dull quickly. I’ve made a hundred cuts through straw tatami mats with a $300 blade before the blade got tired, and even then it only took a few strops with a loaded leather strap to get her back in tip top shape. Blade care is part of the training anyway, you never put it away without inspection and oiling.

Bashing is for cavemen. You’re gonna get that crowbar stuck in a cranium and get bitten trying to get it out. It’s true that an accurate horizontal cut is by far the hardest with a sword - the cutting action comes from drawing the edge across the object to be cut, which just isn’t natural in a pure horizontal “beheading” cut. Instead go for a diagonal cut from right above one ear to right below the jaw on the opposite side.

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[quote]borrek wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:
Blades however do require maintenance. Cutting through the neck of a zombie I’m sure is no easy feat with a dull blade.

Bashing is the way forward in my opinion. The usefulness of something like a crowbar/mace combination shouldn’t be overlooked!

ed - not that I don’t think swinging a sword around doesn’t sound feckin cool, but to be removing the heads of moving zombies accurately you’d have to be Ogami Itto or something. Technique just doesn’t come easily!
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It’s a common misconception that blades go dull quickly. I’ve made a hundred cuts through straw tatami mats with a $300 blade before the blade got tired, and even then it only took a few strops with a loaded leather strap to get her back in tip top shape. Blade care is part of the training anyway, you never put it away without inspection and oiling.

Bashing is for cavemen. You’re gonna get that crowbar stuck in a cranium and get bitten trying to get it out. It’s true that an accurate horizontal cut is by far the hardest with a sword - the cutting action comes from drawing the edge across the object to be cut, which just isn’t natural in a pure horizontal “beheading” cut. Instead go for a diagonal cut from right above one ear to right below the jaw on the opposite side.
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Not being a swordsman or having even the slightest true experience with such a weapon can I ask - what’s the difference between cutting through bone and cutting through straw mats? I would’ve imagined the former is going to have a greater impact on a blade surely? And you’re talking about cutting through the skull. Is your average, everyday, trained swordsman going to have the experience neccesary to repair damaged blades?

Not trolling by the way, genuinely curious! :slight_smile:

Of course my favouring of the crowbar has more to do with it’s general usefulness more than anything else. It can pry, offer leverage, open doors, bash skulls, smash windows and requires incredibly little maintenance.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I’m resisting the urge to put up a cute picture of my daughter shooting one![/quote]

Let’s do it…here’s some of mine… :wink:

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Is that .22 conversion 1911, or a full on 45?

I’m diggin the white controls on the Glock.

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[quote]Stern wrote:

Not being a swordsman or having even the slightest true experience with such a weapon can I ask - what’s the difference between cutting through bone and cutting through straw mats? I would’ve imagined the former is going to have a greater impact on a blade surely? And you’re talking about cutting through the skull. Is your average, everyday, trained swordsman going to have the experience neccesary to repair damaged blades?

Not trolling by the way, genuinely curious! :slight_smile:

Of course my favouring of the crowbar has more to do with it’s general usefulness more than anything else. It can pry, offer leverage, open doors, bash skulls, smash windows and requires incredibly little maintenance.[/quote]

The straw mats are soaked in water, and give an equivalent yield to cutting through flesh. One tatami mat is 3 feet by 6 feet, when you roll one mat it equals cleaving an arm, neck, or calf. Two mats rolled up is equivalent to an abdomen, and three is roughly equal to a cut from neck to armpit.

A cut, whether it is bone or mat, has little effect on the blade if it is done correctly. The tricky part is not having the blade “scoop” when it comes in contact with something. If it scoops, or starts to turn in the middle of a cut, the blade can torque and bend, or possibly snap. A bent blade happens much more often than a chipped edge. A chipped edge is rare, and generally only happens if your blade has a heat treating defect.

Here is a guy cutting steel with a sword, and showing no ill effects to the blade: Samurai Challenge! Samurai Sword ( Katana ) Cutting Steel Pipe & Steel Plate -Zantetsuken- - YouTube

Zombie skulls are nothing!!

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Well, it looks like I need a good samurai sword to add to my zombie apocalypse kit!

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[quote]borrek wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:

Not being a swordsman or having even the slightest true experience with such a weapon can I ask - what’s the difference between cutting through bone and cutting through straw mats? I would’ve imagined the former is going to have a greater impact on a blade surely? And you’re talking about cutting through the skull. Is your average, everyday, trained swordsman going to have the experience neccesary to repair damaged blades?

Not trolling by the way, genuinely curious! :slight_smile:

Of course my favouring of the crowbar has more to do with it’s general usefulness more than anything else. It can pry, offer leverage, open doors, bash skulls, smash windows and requires incredibly little maintenance.[/quote]

The straw mats are soaked in water, and give an equivalent yield to cutting through flesh. One tatami mat is 3 feet by 6 feet, when you roll one mat it equals cleaving an arm, neck, or calf. Two mats rolled up is equivalent to an abdomen, and three is roughly equal to a cut from neck to armpit.

A cut, whether it is bone or mat, has little effect on the blade if it is done correctly. The tricky part is not having the blade “scoop” when it comes in contact with something. If it scoops, or starts to turn in the middle of a cut, the blade can torque and bend, or possibly snap. A bent blade happens much more often than a chipped edge. A chipped edge is rare, and generally only happens if your blade has a heat treating defect.

Here is a guy cutting steel with a sword, and showing no ill effects to the blade: Samurai Challenge! Samurai Sword ( Katana ) Cutting Steel Pipe & Steel Plate -Zantetsuken- - YouTube

Zombie skulls are nothing!!

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Hah! As reassuring as all that sounds, it’s still very reliant on skill. Maybe if I’d been swinging a katana around for 60 years I’d feel confident enough to face a zombie horde.

But without that skill level I’d be just as likely to get my sword caught in my own sleeve as correctly angle the blade perfectly enough to sever a skull without ruining it.

Bludgeoning may be the art of cavemen, but it’s very simplistic and in times of crisis - simplistic is often favourable over the complex!

Of course, realistically - I’d tool up with as much as possible and wouldn’t say no to a sword. =)

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[quote]Racer377 wrote:
Is that .22 conversion 1911, or a full on 45?

I’m diggin the white controls on the Glock. [/quote]

It’s not a .22 conversion…meaning it’s not a .22 slide on a .45 frame. It’s just a .22 version of the 1911 from the ground up. But she does shoot a .45 1911 often…

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http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=609

And the controls on the Glock are actually a very light pink. They definitely look white in those pics…

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EDIT:

Just saw the link. Thanks.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
I just went shooting earlier today and it was fun for the first time. They started me off with a .22 handgun. Then to a .40 on the handgun. I shot a bunch of different handguns, shotguns, and rifles. I don’t know the name of them all, but my favorite was the FAL. Here is a few pics since it seemed like a few of you guys gave me shit because I said something about call of duty.[/quote]

cool man, kick ass setup. i’ve shot a bunch of FALs and their clones before. it’s a pretty cool rifle, but never found them to be as accurate as i’d like/expect.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
I just went shooting earlier today and it was fun for the first time. They started me off with a .22 handgun. Then to a .40 on the handgun. I shot a bunch of different handguns, shotguns, and rifles. I don’t know the name of them all, but my favorite was the FAL. Here is a few pics since it seemed like a few of you guys gave me shit because I said something about call of duty.[/quote]

cool man, kick ass setup. i’ve shot a bunch of FALs and their clones before. it’s a pretty cool rifle, but never found them to be as accurate as i’d like/expect.

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Right on, i don’t think i was as accurate to begin with so i wasn’t sure how accurate the gun was. I was just looking through the sights. I do have a problem though since i’m a righty and my right eye has astigmatism which is worse than my left eye.

Anyways, i thought I would show how much of a hick my friend is, haha.

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lmao.

the only thing better than him are the half drank beer bottles in the foreground.

is that like a 25rd mag for a saiga? pretty sweet man

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I’ve taken up pistol shooting recently. Used to shoot some skeet also. Both are pretty fun.

And for all the war stories, the most powerful thing I’ve shot was probably when I pulled both triggers on a double barrel 12 gauge with some high brass shells. It was a one time thing. My uncle did it too and had to go to the hospital with shoulder contusions.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
lmao.

the only thing better than him are the half drank beer bottles in the foreground.

is that like a 25rd mag for a saiga? pretty sweet man[/quote]
Ha i know. I really have no idea what he was shooting. I think it was a type of shotgun?

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
lmao.

the only thing better than him are the half drank beer bottles in the foreground.

is that like a 25rd mag for a saiga? pretty sweet man[/quote]
Ha i know. I really have no idea what he was shooting. I think it was a type of shotgun?[/quote]

It looked like a Saiga-12, a semi-auto shotgun based on the AK.