Whipped Because of a Teddy Bear

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
You can have ideals as much as you want - but what happens when the real world exposes them as naive, or even worse, dangerous? Mine say liberty is worth protecting. Mine also know not to cling to outdated versions of “attack” that only mean gunboats rolling up off the coast of Manhattan island. Such a presumption invites aggression.[/quote]

Ok. Fine. I’ll give. We’re under attack. All the time, apparently. WEhere do you draw the line? If I say “fuck America I’m gonna kill the President” should I be arrested and detained? Despite the fact that I obviously have no means to do so?

I see where you’re coming from. But you still haven’t convinced me suspending Habeas Corpus is at all necessary.

Shouldn’t a guy who has a few AK’s in his garage and a map of the general DC area with big red X’s all over it be a pretty quick trial? And don’t the ambiguous cases deserve to be tried? TO give them a chance to prove their innocence, ensuring we make no mistakes about who we ship off to an African country for torture? To ensure we don’t make a mistake and end up torturing and holding without trial a man who bought a cell phone that four years ago belonged to a terrorist?

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:

Apparently these days, being “offended” has become the ultimate absolution. You can kill, maim, hurt and destroy people or things so long as you were offended it’s ok. Just like the Jena 6 bullshit. They were offended by the nooses, so it was a-ok to brutalize somebody 6 on 1.

Jena 6 is far from bullshit…its bigger than “brutalizing” someone 6 on 1. If you understand the complete meaning of being brutalized,then you will understand what the real issue is…which provided the atmosphere for this incident to happen in the first place. But thats another discussion…just had to express that.

So it was a-ok to beat the shit out of that guy, who from what I understand wasn’t even one of the noose hangers? That’s the solution, kick some ones ass if your offended? Hey it works for the muslims, why not?[/quote]

No it was not ok…I never condoned that…I just pointed out what is not seen by you…the existence of a double standard of racial equality in Jena,LA:

Group of black kids beat white kid = attempted murder(no life threatening injuries…went school function same day)

3 DAYS EARLIER…Group of white kids(and one white adult) beat black kid= misdemeanor charges…???

White kid pulls shotgun on black kids…they take it from him= they’re charged with theft…he’s not charged with anything.

Like I said,the real issue is what allowed this atmosphere in the first place…I don’t condone beating of anyone…Neither do I condone people talking about things they don’t have a “complete” understanding of either :wink:

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:

Apparently these days, being “offended” has become the ultimate absolution. You can kill, maim, hurt and destroy people or things so long as you were offended it’s ok. Just like the Jena 6 bullshit. They were offended by the nooses, so it was a-ok to brutalize somebody 6 on 1.

Jena 6 is far from bullshit…its bigger than “brutalizing” someone 6 on 1. If you understand the complete meaning of being brutalized,then you will understand what the real issue is…which provided the atmosphere for this incident to happen in the first place. But thats another discussion…just had to express that.

So it was a-ok to beat the shit out of that guy, who from what I understand wasn’t even one of the noose hangers? That’s the solution, kick some ones ass if your offended? Hey it works for the muslims, why not?

No it was not ok…I never condoned that…I just pointed out what is not seen by you…the existence of a double standard of racial equality in Jena,LA:

Group of black kids beat white kid = attempted murder(no life threatening injuries…went school function same day)

3 DAYS EARLIER…Group of white kids(and one white adult) beat black kid= misdemeanor charges…???

White kid pulls shotgun on black kids…they take it from him= they’re charged with theft…he’s not charged with anything.

Like I said,the real issue is what allowed this atmosphere in the first place…I don’t condone beating of anyone…Neither do I condone people talking about things they don’t have a “complete” understanding of either ;)[/quote]

My only point is this, there are problems every where; you can’t go around ganging up on people, or riot, burn cars and shoot at people, destroy people and things just cause your pissed off.
Besides in today’s climate as racially sensitive as people are these days there are plenty of non-violent options to deal with racial situations. Just like in Paris, there are far better ways to deal with “the incident” then shoot at people and burn your own neighborhood down. That’s just down right dumb.

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Well, it looks like they will be charging her.

“A British teacher arrested in Sudan after allowing her class to name a teddy bear “Mohammed” has been charged by authorities with offending religion, British officials say.”

Have British Special Forces been keeping up with their training?

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:

Apparently these days, being “offended” has become the ultimate absolution. You can kill, maim, hurt and destroy people or things so long as you were offended it’s ok. Just like the Jena 6 bullshit. They were offended by the nooses, so it was a-ok to brutalize somebody 6 on 1.

Jena 6 is far from bullshit…its bigger than “brutalizing” someone 6 on 1. If you understand the complete meaning of being brutalized,then you will understand what the real issue is…which provided the atmosphere for this incident to happen in the first place. But thats another discussion…just had to express that.

So it was a-ok to beat the shit out of that guy, who from what I understand wasn’t even one of the noose hangers? That’s the solution, kick some ones ass if your offended? Hey it works for the muslims, why not?

No it was not ok…I never condoned that…I just pointed out what is not seen by you…the existence of a double standard of racial equality in Jena,LA:

Group of black kids beat white kid = attempted murder(no life threatening injuries…went school function same day)

3 DAYS EARLIER…Group of white kids(and one white adult) beat black kid= misdemeanor charges…???

White kid pulls shotgun on black kids…they take it from him= they’re charged with theft…he’s not charged with anything.

Like I said,the real issue is what allowed this atmosphere in the first place…I don’t condone beating of anyone…Neither do I condone people talking about things they don’t have a “complete” understanding of either :wink:

My only point is this, there are problems every where; you can’t go around ganging up on people, or riot, burn cars and shoot at people, destroy people and things just cause your pissed off.
Besides in today’s climate as racially sensitive as people are these days there are plenty of non-violent options to deal with racial situations. Just like in Paris, there are far better ways to deal with “the incident” then shoot at people and burn your own neighborhood down. That’s just down right dumb.[/quote]

Your “only point” is not a point,its the obvious…you definitely have no understanding of what I’ve pointed out to you…I made it as simple as I can. THE INEQUALITY IN JENA IS WHAT PROVIDED THE ATMOSPHERE FOR THESE THINGS TO EVEN HAPPEN.

Those nonviolent options have to be equally fair to all…which in the Jena 6 case and Jena,LA period…they’re not. If they were equal and fair,the string of events that happened up to this point in Jena would be very short. A perfect example of why we shouldn’t be trying to clean someone else’s house when ours is fucking filthy…This type of inequality shouldn’t be happening in this country…in 2007.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, it looks like they will be charging her.

“A British teacher arrested in Sudan after allowing her class to name a teddy bear “Mohammed” has been charged by authorities with offending religion, British officials say.”

Have British Special Forces been keeping up with their training?[/quote]

If they really whip or imprison that lady for something so goddamn stupid as this, then we should literally raze Khartoum. These people are obviously either insane or Satanically possessed — we’d be doing them a favour.

I think Islam does brain damage, if its followers do this stupid shit.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote:

Apparently these days, being “offended” has become the ultimate absolution. You can kill, maim, hurt and destroy people or things so long as you were offended it’s ok. Just like the Jena 6 bullshit. They were offended by the nooses, so it was a-ok to brutalize somebody 6 on 1.

Jena 6 is far from bullshit…its bigger than “brutalizing” someone 6 on 1. If you understand the complete meaning of being brutalized,then you will understand what the real issue is…which provided the atmosphere for this incident to happen in the first place. But thats another discussion…just had to express that.

So it was a-ok to beat the shit out of that guy, who from what I understand wasn’t even one of the noose hangers? That’s the solution, kick some ones ass if your offended? Hey it works for the muslims, why not?

No it was not ok…I never condoned that…I just pointed out what is not seen by you…the existence of a double standard of racial equality in Jena,LA:

Group of black kids beat white kid = attempted murder(no life threatening injuries…went school function same day)

3 DAYS EARLIER…Group of white kids(and one white adult) beat black kid= misdemeanor charges…???

White kid pulls shotgun on black kids…they take it from him= they’re charged with theft…he’s not charged with anything.

Like I said,the real issue is what allowed this atmosphere in the first place…I don’t condone beating of anyone…Neither do I condone people talking about things they don’t have a “complete” understanding of either :wink:

My only point is this, there are problems every where; you can’t go around ganging up on people, or riot, burn cars and shoot at people, destroy people and things just cause your pissed off.
Besides in today’s climate as racially sensitive as people are these days there are plenty of non-violent options to deal with racial situations. Just like in Paris, there are far better ways to deal with “the incident” then shoot at people and burn your own neighborhood down. That’s just down right dumb.

Your “only point” is not a point,its the obvious…you definitely have no understanding of what I’ve pointed out to you…I made it as simple as I can. THE INEQUALITY IN JENA IS WHAT PROVIDED THE ATMOSPHERE FOR THESE THINGS TO EVEN HAPPEN.

Those nonviolent options have to be equally fair to all…which in the Jena 6 case and Jena,LA period…they’re not. If they were equal and fair,the string of events that happened up to this point in Jena would be very short. A perfect example of why we shouldn’t be trying to clean someone else’s house when ours is fucking filthy…This type of inequality shouldn’t be happening in this country…in 2007.[/quote]

Sure inequality shouldn’t be happening, but it happens. It doesn’t give people the right to act like assholes. That is my whole point. Are you saying that the situation is so bad in Jena that they had no other option?

And are we really focus on a little town in Louisiana when in most places there is no problem. Hick towns still exist, and probably always will. There white people that will hate black people because their black and vice versa. We gonna hold our breath until everyone is equal and fair? We gonna act out and break shit and hurt people because things aren’t fair?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Well, it looks like they will be charging her.

“A British teacher arrested in Sudan after allowing her class to name a teddy bear “Mohammed” has been charged by authorities with offending religion, British officials say.”

Have British Special Forces been keeping up with their training?

If they really whip or imprison that lady for something so goddamn stupid as this, then we should literally raze Khartoum. These people are obviously either insane or Satanically possessed — we’d be doing them a favour.

I think Islam does brain damage, if its followers do this stupid shit.

[/quote]

I’ve always considered religious fundamentalism a mental disorder. Religious fanatics are insane, Muslim, Christian, Jewish or otherwise.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Well, there was this toddler who was accused of sexual harassment because he hugged his teacher, thereby touching her breasts.

No wait, that wasn’t Iran, but some other backward place full of religious nutters. Texas I think.[/quote]

Actually this is a result of crazy liberalism. Kind of like the zero tolerance about guns getting children kicked out of school for drawing one on a piece of paper.

Banning Christmas displays at school is also liberal nuttiness.

But banning Halloween at schools is on the conservative nuts.

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We can. Everybody will be equally blue and purple.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
pat36 wrote: We gonna hold our breath until everyone is equal and fair?

We can. Everybody will be equally blue and purple.
[/quote]

Hey you got a point…There will be a day when we are all equal and it won’t matter what we are to who we are.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:

Ok. Fine. I’ll give. We’re under attack. All the time, apparently. WEhere do you draw the line? If I say “fuck America I’m gonna kill the President” should I be arrested and detained? [/quote]

You fucked up now! You officially on the list. Don’t worry I will vouch for you…unless they threaten me.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
plateau wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

I’m saddened that you aren’t at least peripherally aware that there are plenty of national security triumphs happening that AREN’T being reported.

How can anyone be AWARE of anything that isn’t reported, or isn’t visible to the human eye?

I haven’t had the pleasure of dicussing issues with you.

Therefore, I don’t know if you are serious or just being a smart ass.

However, I’ll have to assume you are being serious.

If so, use your brain. We are in an information war. What the press gets wind of is the tip of the iceberg.

If you don’t believe me, wait 10 years and read about it in various biographies or de-classified documents.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense realizes that some things are CLASSIFIED (aka you don’t know the details). Therefore, anyone with sense should be peripherally aware that there are national security triumphs you won’t hear about for a period of time.

Proof: No attacks on our mainland. Trust me, it isn’t coincidence or lack of desire from our enemies.

Oh, if you are just being obtuse to be a smart ass, I wish you ill.

JeffR

[/quote]

I don’t post much here!

I’m both. Absence isn’t evidence or lack of evidence.

Equally your point may well be true after ten years but that’s clearly not proof today.

Classified agree to a degree, but just saying something is or is not happening is not proof.

Without coming across as a conspiracy nut there must people who would benefit from spreading fear.

Sorry I can’t trust you, nothing personal but I don’t know you.

You wish me ill? Classy!

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"KHARTOUM, Sudan (CNN) – A Sudanese court found a British teacher guilty of inciting religious hatred and sentenced her to 15 days imprisonment Thursday for allowing a teddy bear to be named “Mohammed,” British authorities and her lawyer reported.
Gillian Gibbons also faces deportation from Sudan after her prison term, her lawyer told CNN. He said he was “very disappointed” with the verdict and that Gibbons planned to appeal.

Gibbons, 54, was arrested Sunday after she asked her class of 7-year-olds in Khartoum to name the stuffed animal as part of a school project, the British Foreign Office said. She had faced charges under Article 125 of Sudan’s constitution, the law relating to insulting religion and inciting hatred."

I have to seriously doubt now the sanity of all Muslims and anyone having anything to do with Muslims. They should all be deported from our country and banned from EVER trying to get in here.

Muslims are a different species, I swear. Only insane and demented maniacs could even think of doing something like this.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
"KHARTOUM, Sudan (CNN) – A Sudanese court found a British teacher guilty of inciting religious hatred and sentenced her to 15 days imprisonment Thursday for allowing a teddy bear to be named “Mohammed,” British authorities and her lawyer reported.
Gillian Gibbons also faces deportation from Sudan after her prison term, her lawyer told CNN. He said he was “very disappointed” with the verdict and that Gibbons planned to appeal.

Gibbons, 54, was arrested Sunday after she asked her class of 7-year-olds in Khartoum to name the stuffed animal as part of a school project, the British Foreign Office said. She had faced charges under Article 125 of Sudan’s constitution, the law relating to insulting religion and inciting hatred."

I have to seriously doubt now the sanity of all Muslims and anyone having anything to do with Muslims. They should all be deported from our country and banned from EVER trying to get in here.

Muslims are a different species, I swear. Only insane and demented maniacs could even think of doing something like this.

[/quote]

I don’t know about “all” but there certainly is a large chunk cray as fuck muslims. My cigar guy is a pretty good guy. His wife doesn’t even wear that shit on her head. She kind of ugly so shoe probaly ought to, but I digress.

Actually, I had a muslim co-worker that was a pretty cool, down to earth guy. I knew him before 9/11 and we talked about the event when it happened. I can say he was truly horrified by what happened. We talked about it often and he really taught me a lot about Islam and his daily life. It wasn’t weird and crazy like a lot of shit we here about from the ME and Europe. Hell, I even went to the mosque with him one time to see what it was like. Actually we were planning doing a tour of different religions.

I was going to take him to my church. We even wanted to go to a Synagogue and a Buhdist temple. Alas, we both got laid off and eneviatbly went our separate ways, but like I said he wasn’t a cool muslim, he was a cool person. I feel bad for him that such a large number of folks got all perverted and radicalized that people will associate them with him.

Damn, I must have had the brown acid, I am all nice today…Geez.

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[quote]plateau wrote:
JeffR wrote:
plateau wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

I’m saddened that you aren’t at least peripherally aware that there are plenty of national security triumphs happening that AREN’T being reported.

How can anyone be AWARE of anything that isn’t reported, or isn’t visible to the human eye?

I haven’t had the pleasure of dicussing issues with you.

Therefore, I don’t know if you are serious or just being a smart ass.

However, I’ll have to assume you are being serious.

If so, use your brain. We are in an information war. What the press gets wind of is the tip of the iceberg.

If you don’t believe me, wait 10 years and read about it in various biographies or de-classified documents.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense realizes that some things are CLASSIFIED (aka you don’t know the details). Therefore, anyone with sense should be peripherally aware that there are national security triumphs you won’t hear about for a period of time.

Proof: No attacks on our mainland. Trust me, it isn’t coincidence or lack of desire from our enemies.

Oh, if you are just being obtuse to be a smart ass, I wish you ill.

JeffR

I don’t post much here!

I’m both. Absence isn’t evidence or lack of evidence.

Equally your point may well be true after ten years but that’s clearly not proof today.

Classified agree to a degree, but just saying something is or is not happening is not proof.

Without coming across as a conspiracy nut there must people who would benefit from spreading fear.

Sorry I can’t trust you, nothing personal but I don’t know you.

You wish me ill? Classy![/quote]

I think you are trying.

For that I give you credit.

My advice, try harder.

One more thing, go to your nearest bookstore. Read about things happening ten years ago. Decide for yourself what that means.

If the spreading “fear” thing, is some sort of cut on Republicans, remember that it may be in everyone’s vested interest NOT TO START A PANIC.

You know, there just might be people in the government who care about the people.

I know, a radical thought.

But, true.

JeffR

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Get one of your own.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270192422059

[/quote]
That’s fuckin’ hilarious!!! I’ll get one for my kids for Christmas.

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[quote]Chewie wrote:
I was going to post that yesterday.

How is that blasphemy?

She should print out the comics that caused everyone to get all huffy and make billboards out of them.

It is absolutely ridiculous how we let other people’s religious views and ideals govern how we live our lives.

Tolerance is one thing, conforming is another. [/quote]

Couldn’t agree anymore - I fucking hate what religion is doing to this planet all because of “faith”.

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If they called the bear “Jesus” what would have happened? Would anyone even care?