Great thread.
Do people have any input on European countries?
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
If and when I REALLY DID SEE my government go against my beliefs, I’d be the first to raise one hell of a fight.
Good thread, Varq!
Go-Rilla wrote:
And probably one of the first to be thrown into jail if
your “one hell of a fight” was not properly executed according to the rules/laws your government allowed you
to play by.
Good thread. Everybody likes the state they live in of course. Kinda like your high school, type of car, etc…
If it’s yours, it’s got to be the best.
Actually, some of the places I’ve lived, including the place I currently live, are probably among the least free. And the most blue - take that for what it’s worth. It’s probably a correlation to population density – the more people there are in an area, the more power the government seems to have, and to want to execute in terms of everyday decisions.
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AMEN to that. Stay far away from Washington, at least Western Washington. You know its an awesome place when the State Supreme court overturns a ballot measure the people voted for “because they didn’t know what they were voting for”.
I came across a bit of information today that made me think of (and decide to resurrect) this thread. The Bill of Rights of the New Hampshire Constitution is the only constitution that explicitly protects its citizens’ right to revolution.
Article 10:
[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.’
So just for the sake of argument, if the Free Staters ever attempted to stage a coup d’etat in New Hampshire, the Governor would be in violation of the state Constitution if he attempted to use the National Guard to “put down the rebellion?”
Cool.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
So just for the sake of argument, if the Free Staters ever attempted to stage a coup d’etat in New Hampshire, the Governor would be in violation of the state Constitution if he attempted to use the National Guard to “put down the rebellion?”
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Only when all else fails, can we vote from the rooftops.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Only when all else fails, can we vote from the rooftops.
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And when it gets to that point, I reckon it won’t matter what rights the Constitution of any state purports to protect. Or the US Constitution either, for that matter.
Vivere liber aut mori. I like it. I may not move to New Hampshire, but I sure will use their motto.
Ay!
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
All right.
I have been called out, by Headhunter, no less, for spouting “anti-American rhetoric” in bemoaning the dreary state of personal liberty in the United States today.
While my particular beef was with the government in that post, rather than with the nation, I will accept his criticism in the spirit it was given. I am not anti-American by any means, in fact I would love to return to the States if I felt it was a place I’d like to return to. So far I have not been convinced.
Then again, I’ve been outside the States for a long, long time, and perhaps I am failing to see the forest for the trees… or rather the snags, widow makers and wolf trees that appear in international news.
So enlighten me, T-Patriots. Where, in your experience, is the area of the United States in which a man can be the most free? And understand that this is not a rhetorical question: I really want to know. It could be your home state, or a place you have spent enough time in to understand.
High scores will be awarded to those regions where taxes, crime, population density and government interference is low; where meat is cheap, hunting and fishing are good, personal firearm ownership is expected and encouraged, and everyone generally minds his own goddamn business.
Oh, and I’d appreciate some elaboration in your answers, rather than just names of states and regions: the why as well as the where.
Thanks in advance.
V
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This is a good question that I am wondering the answer to myself.
I just came back from the magistrate, where I have been convicted of disorderly conduct and fined for saying “fuck you” to a cop.
The officer that cited me for this lied about the entire situation to make his case, and the magistrate who was hearing the case accused me of being disrespectfull of authority. When I presented case law in Pennsylvania that clearly states that the mere act of swearing does not constitute disorderly conduct, the magistrate changed the direction of the hearing to me being disobedient, stating that I should never question authority. He asked me “who do you think you are to disobey and question an officer of the law?”. He had even gone so far as to state that he already determined that I was guilty, and issued a fine. He seemed to have a serious problem with the first amendment and case history from an ACLU web site, and recomended that I contact them to appeal his decision.
So, yea, this is a good question. Where is the land of the free? It certainly isn’t in Bethel Park Pennsylvania.
p.s. The hunting and fishing are great. Huge white tail deer, and some real nice rainbow trout within a 10 minute drive. For browns, brookies, palominos, and assorted others, 30 minutes.