I wouldn’t call Depp a tough guy but I also would never put him at the opposite end of the spectrum and label him a pretty boy metrosexual. That is just wrong.
As to the rest of the article it echos my thoughts. Women actors are becoming the tough guys. Guys are becoming impotent and effeminate. It really is sickening.
What is it with the scriptwriters these days? Is there too much estrogen rebound in the hormone fed chucken a la kiev that they are serving in the hollywood bistros?
Is it the “in thing” for a man to show that he cares and cares and cares until the tears start to flow and the kleenex tissue stocks start to look like a solid investment?
I say down with sensitivity…give us gunslingers like Clint Easwood and cool spies like Sean Connery again…Please.
[quote]grey wrote:
As to the rest of the article it echos my thoughts. Women actors are becoming the tough guys. Guys are becoming impotent and effeminate. It really is sickening.
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Is it the “in thing” for a man to show that he cares and cares and cares until the tears start to flow and the kleenex tissue stocks start to look like a solid investment?
I say down with sensitivity…give us gunslingers like Clint Easwood and cool spies like Sean Connery again…Please.[/quote]
Yup.
My feeling is that Hollywood is giving women exactly what they want. They want poster GRRRRls. They want their 15 minutes of feminist fame. They want their own 80s action stars.
I say let them have it. The quicker they have it, the quicker theyll realize how stupid and un-natural their requests are. But the trend wont change until women convince themselves about the folly of their demands. Exactly like teens who rebel. Give them a chance to experience the difference between wants and needs. Let them experiment. This will take time. After that, well probably have 15-20 years of normal` expectations from women.
Have faith in cycles. Crowds take a while to change, but it happens. I dont think we are at an equilibrium point. Its time the pendulum started swinging back.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
The run down was great. I think that Seann William Scott did a good job of comic relief. He’s one of those dudes with great facial experssions and impeccable comedic timing. I would say he definitely carried half the movie, as did the rock.
The first scene in the movie is what hooks you.
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The first scene kicks ass in a generic sort of way, but the tooth fairy story is what sets this movie apart.
Whoever calls Jack Nicholson a beta male is a grand fool.
Same goes for Depp.
Both have a very sharp edge to their personalities.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
swerven wrote:
I hear what your saying, but read the 2nd paragraph again;
Where have all the tough guys gone?
The actors she mentions, to me, had both image and substance. The failed action crew you referred to from the 80’s (Dolph Lundgren, Carl Weathers etc etc) had image but no substance. In contrast, Depp et al have substance but no image! They certainly dont strike me as tough guys.
I imagine if you were to ask most males from this site who their definition of a mans mans is - I doubt it would be Johhny Depp or Jack Nicholson - as much as they might like them as actors.
Carl Weathers wasn’t a bad actor at all. He just got typecast quickly. He did Action Jackson which was one of the first roles with a black man as an “action hero” with the muscle mass to match the part. Had it been done better, perhaps it would have opened more doors. During a period of film where “muscleman” were mostly white and most scripts were written for those parts as far as action heros, I am not surprised we only saw him in Predator after his time on the Rocky movies. I actually looked up to the guy as an actor and always thought I would see him in more stuff.[/quote]
I forgot about that guy. Yea Carl Weathers was sweeeeet. Charasmatic and a great actor, not to mention he was jacked. Just never did get the hollywood parts. He did a long stint on a few TV shows, didnt he?
I dig the rock. His stint on saturday night live ranks amoung the best ever by actor hosts IMO. Tyson Bedford has potential.
I might get flamed, but I thought Pac was a great young actor with all the natural potential in the world. Most forget he was only 25 at the time of his death. Who knows what he could have done.
[quote]swerven wrote:
Professor X wrote:
swerven wrote:
Yeh the Rock’s cool - but its probably the fact that he has yet to make a half decent movie thats holding him back. Although I haven’t seen The Rundown yet.
I thought Walking Tall was barely OK, Doom was ordinary.
The Rundown is his ONLY decent work. I really like that movie. It is the only reason I won’t bash him as an actor and will just credit his lack of ability to choose good roles as to why he hasn’t blown up like Arnold.
We have yet to get The Rundown in Australia - but I will have to see it based on this (and other) feedback![/quote]
It is out on DVD in Australia already but under the title “Welcome to the Jungle” which to me seems like a strange title compared to the American one.
I agree with most that it is The Rock’s best movie so far, Doom seemed to lack something for me.
[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:
Whoever calls Jack Nicholson a beta male is a grand fool.
Same goes for Depp.
Both have a very sharp edge to their personalities. [/quote]
Calm down cowboy - nobody has called them beta males, I’m not even sure what one is.
Russel Crowe was good in Master and Commander and Gladiator.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Carl Weathers wasn’t a bad actor at all. He just got typecast quickly. He did Action Jackson which was one of the first roles with a black man as an “action hero” with the muscle mass to match the part. Had it been done better, perhaps it would have opened more doors. During a period of film where “muscleman” were mostly white and most scripts were written for those parts as far as action heros, I am not surprised we only saw him in Predator after his time on the Rocky movies. I actually looked up to the guy as an actor and always thought I would see him in more stuff.[/quote]
Yeh I liked Carl but I wouldn’t put him in the same league (re acting ability) as other black actors such Samuel L Jackson and Denzel Washington. Jackson was so cool in Die Hard 3. Imagine if these guys had Weather’s physique? Who knows what could have happened. Anyway shoulda woulda coulda!
By the way, Danny Glover’s physique in one of the Lethal Weapon films was incredible. He was big and ripped.
PS I am going to go and try and find Action Jackson again on DVD 
Yeah the ROCK does seem to be the only big guy out there at the moment.
He didnt exactly drop 50 pounds.At his top weight he was 260 pounds in the wwe.The wwe lies about the weights if u didnt know 
For walking tall he dropped 20 pounds went from 14% bodyfat to 7% training with a guy called billy beck i think.His workouts were pretty much 6 x week working a bodypart 3 times a week with different rep ranges.
If he was really 220 do u think he would be walking around with those 20.5 inch arms …i think NOT!
Peace
HHH
As someone already mentioned, I have a hard time really looking at the Rock as a bonafide big-time action star when he hasn’t done a single thing yet to really “knock me on my ass”. Some of his movies are pure crap, others are just okay…he hasn’t done anything yet that makes you go “Man, that was fucking sweet” when the movie is over like the Terminator, Rocky, Cobra, Rambo, Predator, Commando movies did (sure those movies weren’t great artistic pieces and/or displays of acting, but at least they were made you go “Whoa!”). That’s not to say he’ll never do a flick like that.
I think a big part of it is the fact that the old “one man against all odds” movies just don’t have the mass appeal that they did 20 years ago. Studios aren’t making them because young people don’t want to see them, at least that’s the way it seems. As the article touches on, it seems like the general public just wants to eat up all these Paul Walker-Ashton Kutcher types now.
But just in the same way that Spider-Man brought back comic book superhero movies and made them cool again, maybe the right film will come along to revive the “jacked-up action star” genre (I know that’s a terrible name, but I don’t know what else to call it, lol). If they end up bringing back Conan when Arnold’s tenure in Cali is over like they’ve been talking about for some time, they need to do it right, with a good screenplay and the right director.
Then, if they cast Arnold and the Rock as the father/son duo as rumors have suggested, perhaps that will a) get the ball rolling again on these types of movies with these types of leading characters, and b) lend some credibility to future Rock movies, considering they cast him alongside the definitive jacked-up action star of days past. Sort of a “handing over the reigns”, if you will. Time will tell…
What about Wesley Snipes?
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
What about Wesley Snipes?[/quote]
He was awesome in the first Blade movie. The first scene at the slaughterhouse rave party was absolutely brilliant. Sadly it went downhill for him with the 2 other movies.
Regarding the comeback of the Action Muscle Genre of movie. Here is a list of must have ingredients from the internet - enjoy
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All action heroes speak with barely decipherable accents. (Arnold is from Austria. Stallone has no excuse.)
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Villains can’t shoot straight.
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When the hero runs from something about to explode, time as we know it slows to half speed.
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All cars are built with the ability to instantaneously soar twenty feet in the air and land without blowing their tires? that is, unless the villains’ henchmen are driving.
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The only time a hero will speak softly to the female lead is when he’s about to fuck her.
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All action heroes have cocks that hang to their ankles.
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All female leads are smart, independent women? until a bullet flies over their head, and then they become squeamish, gibbering bags of dead weight.
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All evil masterminds are European.
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Vietnamese soldiers run in single file, making them easier to shoot.
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When caught outnumbered, the hero can always count on the villains to be good sports and wait in line for the ass whipping they are about to partake in.
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When the hero is trapped and about to die, the master villain will always take time to explain to him exactly how to foil his vile scheme. You can thank the James Bond films for this tradition?
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There is no such thing as a steel barrel that is not filled with an explosive substance.
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Automatic weapons are the only guns that have to be reloaded. Six shooters have an endless supply.
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Every major war in history could have been won by one man with full access to weaponry and assault vehicles.
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A henchman should never try to shoot the hero from a distance of less than twenty feet. Any closer, and his gun will jam.
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Heroes will always plant their explosive mines on top of hidden trampolines. This is why explosives never incinerate the villains, but merely throw them three feet into the air. Unless it’s the head villain, in which case he can be completely atomized by a stun grenade.
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Heroes hit on the head may forget who they are, but they never forget the roughly 266 different ways to kill a man with your thumb.
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Gun powder is an appropriate substitution for antibiotic cream.
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Action Heroes have the smartest dogs alive.
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(And finally) When jumping out of a plane, parachutes are optional? but only for the hero.
[quote]MrChill wrote:
Yup.
My feeling is that Hollywood is giving women exactly what they want. They want poster GRRRRls. They want their 15 minutes of feminist fame. They want their own 80s action stars.
I say let them have it. The quicker they have it, the quicker theyll realize how stupid and un-natural their requests are. But the trend wont change until women convince themselves about the folly of their demands. Exactly like teens who rebel. Give them a chance to experience the difference between wants and needs. Let them experiment. This will take time. After that, well probably have 15-20 years of normal` expectations from women.
Have faith in cycles. Crowds take a while to change, but it happens. I dont think we are at an equilibrium point. Its time the pendulum started swinging back.[/quote]
Holy shit, talk about politically incorrect. I hate PC for the sake of PC, but this was downright shit-faced retarded, inbred redneck sexist. I mean, wow. I don’t even know what to say. You’re referring to women as if they’re children. Whatever.
As to the topic, I like balance. I love fucking spy movies, I love badasses: old Bond flicks, Rambo, Terminator, Marlon Brando, gangsters, but I don’t HATE the new movie trend as long as these old typesets aren’t obliterated. There’s nothing wrong with balance.
So I agree with the article–there is certainly too much estrogen and not enough testosterone in movies nowadays. But I don’t agree with calling all these guys pussies and saying they have no right to make movies. Depp is abso-fucking-lutely amazing as an actor, and he has played badasses (Blow) and “sissies” (Edward Scissorhands) equally well.
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
So I agree with the article–there is certainly too much estrogen and not enough testosterone in movies nowadays. But I don’t agree with calling all these guys pussies and saying they have no right to make movies. Depp is abso-fucking-lutely amazing as an actor, and he has played badasses (Blow) and “sissies” (Edward Scissorhands) equally well.[/quote]
You make a great point and it’s something I should have said in my last post. Not all of these new guys are bad. There are definitely still some good action movies coming out from time to time. It would just be nice to see a throwback to the old action heroes every once in awhile, as well.
[quote]Bram Wiley wrote:
Russel Crowe was good in Master and Commander and Gladiator.[/quote]
He was awesome in those. He may be an ass in real life but he is an incredible actor.
I recently saw Romper Stomper and was blown away.
Very intense movie.
Crowe plays the leader of an Aussie skinhead gang. This movie is a must see.
I agree the Rock doesn’t have a great action movie resume yet, but I still think he should’ve been mentioned in the article. Vin Diesel was in there and the Rock is a better actor.
The Rundown…very good. Walking Tall…meh, Be Cool…terrible but Rock had some scene stealing moments as the gay security guy. Doom…haven’t seen it but doesn’t sound good.
I think someone mentioned this earlier that Hollywood isn’t in to making action movies like we had in the '80’s because the audience for whatever reason isn’t there anymore.
Oh, and Carl Weathers was a bad-ass. I love the scene in Predator when he and Arnold shake hands and they do the exteme close-up on the guys’ arms. Weathers compared pretty favorable to Arnold in that pic in terms of size.
Wonder if he’s still in shape today or not.
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Holy shit, talk about politically incorrect. I hate PC for the sake of PC, but this was downright shit-faced retarded, inbred redneck sexist. I mean, wow. I don’t even know what to say. You’re referring to women as if they’re children. Whatever.[/quote]
Yup, Im referring to them as a Crowd. But then again, Crowds, whatever the profile of the people constituting them, have never been known to have 200+ IQ. (The Million Man March is an exception that comes to mind. If chaos or negative events did happen, it didnt mentionned in the media here.)
As individuals, however…
Women are generally not like what the media say, 50% of the time. And somewhere I believe that real women demand and what Hollywood offers are two separate realities, the latter being a media circus pushed a few people in power, in a way very similar to what happens in the fashion industry. What would happen if the roles given to actors were cast by popular vote?