[quote]orion wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:This is the only thing you have ever said that I agree with.
If the Libertarian party did gain influence it would only be a matter of time before they found pragmatism and then it just might as well be an other Democrat or Republican party.
Thanks for acknowledging that Libertarianism is not practical.
It works as long as it lasts.
Which is more than we can say about socialism.
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Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
orion wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:This is the only thing you have ever said that I agree with.
If the Libertarian party did gain influence it would only be a matter of time before they found pragmatism and then it just might as well be an other Democrat or Republican party.
Thanks for acknowledging that Libertarianism is not practical.
It works as long as it lasts.
Which is more than we can say about socialism.
Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.[/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.
name one example.
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Anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War. The Soviet Union for a while. Yugoslavia. The Mondragon cooperatives.
Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.
You forgot to mention this has been proven over and over again by all the successful socialist regimes of the 20th century.[/quote]
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
orion wrote:Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.
name one example.
Anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War. The Soviet Union for a while. Yugoslavia. The Mondragon cooperatives.
Sorry, that was four. I hope I’m not disqualified.
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Again, you are talking to someone that grew up 100 km from the Iron Curtain.
Yugoslavia?
Mwuahahahaha!
And for the rest, why not build them in a free society?
Why do you nedd government control?
If it was that awesome, schoiuld people not flock to it?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
orion wrote:Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.
name one example.
Anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War. The Soviet Union for a while. Yugoslavia. The Mondragon cooperatives.
Sorry, that was four. I hope I’m not disqualified.
No but you are hereby discredited.
I really did chuckle when I read this post. “Catalonia, the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, and the Mondragons.” I’m glad you posted that.[/quote]
Like I thought, you’ve got nothing to say. Just like usual.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
orion wrote:Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.
name one example.
Anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War. The Soviet Union for a while. Yugoslavia. The Mondragon cooperatives.
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Stegosaurus, T. Rex, and Wooly Mammoth had one Hell of a stretch for awhile, too. Man, they were HUGE.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:This is the only thing you have ever said that I agree with.
If the Libertarian party did gain influence it would only be a matter of time before they found pragmatism and then it just might as well be an other Democrat or Republican party.
Thanks for acknowledging that Libertarianism is not practical.
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Big “L” political party not workable. Small “l” ethical framework totally workable.
I make a distinction between the two because one must always be in conflict with the other.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:This is the only thing you have ever said that I agree with.
If the Libertarian party did gain influence it would only be a matter of time before they found pragmatism and then it just might as well be an other Democrat or Republican party.
Thanks for acknowledging that Libertarianism is not practical.
Big “L” political party not workable. Small “l” ethical framework totally workable.
I make a distinction between the two because one must always be in conflict with the other.[/quote]
So I am curious in earnest: do you consider it possible to establish a society which conforms (at least mostly) to libertarian principles?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
orion wrote:Actually, that’s exactly what you should say about socialism, as when it is properly instituted (power is properly dispersed), it tends to work very well until it is sabotaged or overrun by capitalists.
name one example.
Anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War. The Soviet Union for a while. Yugoslavia. The Mondragon cooperatives.
Stegosaurus, T. Rex, and Wooly Mammoth had one Hell of a stretch for awhile, too. Man, they were HUGE.
Talk about built to last…[/quote]
If you mean that external events can dramatically change the conditions for which an organism was previously well-adapted, and render its survival improbable, then I agree.
But that has nothing to do with the point you want to make.
[quote]Dustin wrote:I would hardly consider Lenin’s reign as anarchist or anything resembling voluntaryism.
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Of course not. They had to guard against a counterrevolution internally and hostile capitalist states externally. Trying to transition to a strictly voluntary or stateless society would have been suicide.