[quote]forcedrep24 wrote:
I dont know where your hereing that havoc will put on 17 pounds in 4-6 weeks but I highly dought anyone has gained that much mass with an anti estrogen alone. What are you selling that crap?[/quote]
afraid not. there is plenty of anecdotal evidence as well as training logs you can find online where people have made impressive gains on epistane.
I agree with you about dbol + test though, if you have access to it, use it instead. In many cases it comes down to availability and some guys are toying with the idea of using real gear and might want to try something milder.
It DOES work. im on it now, and i shudder to think how much its going to suck when my cycle ends (btw, next cycle will be a ‘real’ one probably).
anth.
[quote]forcedrep24 wrote:
I dont know where your hereing that havoc will put on 17 pounds in 4-6 weeks but I highly dought anyone has gained that much mass with an anti estrogen alone. What are you selling that crap?[/quote]
Steroid > Androstanes > Androstanols > Epitiostanol
2a,3a-epithio17a methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
1100% as anabolic and 91% as androgenic as plain methyl-test.
It’s a steroid, not an just an Anti-E. I’d also appreciate you not accusing me of selling things on this board. Also, search the interwebz for some logs and you’ll see 15-17lbs is not so rare.
Here’s another friendly tip:
Hereing = Hearing
dought = doubt
Invest in a spell checker.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
forcedrep24 wrote:
I dont know where your hereing that havoc will put on 17 pounds in 4-6 weeks but I highly dought anyone has gained that much mass with an anti estrogen alone. What are you selling that crap?
Steroid > Androstanes > Androstanols > Epitiostanol
2a,3a-epithio17a methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
1100% as anabolic and 91% as androgenic as plain methyl-test.
It’s a steroid, not an just an Anti-E. I’d also appreciate you not accusing me of selling things on this board. Also, search the interwebz for some logs and you’ll see 15-17lbs is not so rare.
Here’s another friendly tip:
Hereing = Hearing
dought = doubt
Invest in a spell checker.[/quote]
Aye gains of 5-8lbs lean mass kept post PCT are fairly standard for a 4 week cycle of havoc. Some of the larger and more experienced individuals have been reporting gains of 10-15lbs+ for the same 4 week cycle (although doses closer to 40-50mg throughout).
Nothing on real gear but then to be honest even if you gain and keep just 4lbs lean mass in 4 weeks - thats twice the normal max rate of gain in a similar time span! (refering to the rough guide of a lb per month of actual lean mass possible when natural only).
The only people Ive heard of having gains less then 5lbs have been those with a) a retarded PCT and b) those with limited training/nutritional experience/knowledge.
I’ve got a bottle sitting in my cupboard now, will definatly be using once I’ve finished this post cut transition to maintenance!