What the Hell is Up with Sarah Palin?

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]belligerent wrote:
She was an absolute monster during the 2008 campaign, another big government Republican with all the religious baggage thrown in. Supported the bailouts and the stimulus. Now she’s the darling of the Tea Party movement, endorsing all the small-government candidates like Rand Paul and actually speaking somewhat eloquently on the need for small government. Is she moving toward classical liberalism or is she just an opportunist taking advantage of the public’s reaction against the left?[/quote]

No, it’s just that the Tea Party is more like her than Paul, is all.[/quote]

That is correct.

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Hey DB cooper why dont you check out who the richest congressmen are…bet you the majority are democrats…check it out my friend. [/quote]

Before the midterm elections, 22 of the 50 richest Congressmen/women are Republicans, and 7 of the top 10 are Democrats. Given that there were more Dems than Repubs in Congress when these numbers were collected, these numbers make sense. However, estimating the net worth of any of these members of Congress is a dubious affair. According to rollcall.com:

"Under federal law, Members must disclose their personal investments and liabilities, but only in broad categories, shielding the exact value of any asset or debt.

To determine the richest lawmakers, Roll Call adds up the minimum value of total assets reported by each Member on their annual financial disclosures and subtracts the minimum liabilities.

An asset valued at $5 million to $25 million is counted at the lesser amount, as is a liability valued at $1 million to $5 million.

Those ranges mean that a Memberâ??s fortune can shift dramatically should an asset swing into the next category, even if the real change is a few thousand dollars up or down."

I fail to see how any of this means anything. All I said was that the TP is backed by a few multi-billionaires. John Kerry is the richest member of COngress and according to rollcall.com he’s “only” worth about 188 million big ones, most of which comes from his wife’s father’s estate, John Heinz, a former Republican Senator.

I am highly, highly skeptical of an ideological movement within a party that is backed in some part by multi-billionaires. The richer someone is, the more influence they have within our govt. These people, who exist outside of politics but have a direct impact on it, are known as political elites. This is not a term I made up; it is a legit political science term that refers to people who use their wealth and clout to influence govt. We see them all the time and we see them support both parties with relatively equal frequency.

All I’m saying is that if/when the TP becomes a relevant force in national politics (beyond where they are now) they will necessarily reflect the wishes of those who have donated to them and those who weild heavy influence over them. I don’t care how much money any of these billionaires have publicly donated to the GOP or to TP-affiliated politicians; if Koch or any of these others donated one dollar and I donated 1,000, I’d be a blithering fool to think for one second that I have more influence on the TP’s ideology than Koch does. So when I hear people say that the TP is a grassroots movement that is representative of the common American, I laugh.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Hey DB cooper why dont you check out who the richest congressmen are…bet you the majority are democrats…check it out my friend. [/quote]

Before the midterm elections, 22 of the 50 richest Congressmen/women are Republicans, and 7 of the top 10 are Democrats. Given that there were more Dems than Repubs in Congress when these numbers were collected, these numbers make sense. However, estimating the net worth of any of these members of Congress is a dubious affair. According to rollcall.com:

"Under federal law, Members must disclose their personal investments and liabilities, but only in broad categories, shielding the exact value of any asset or debt.

To determine the richest lawmakers, Roll Call adds up the minimum value of total assets reported by each Member on their annual financial disclosures and subtracts the minimum liabilities.

An asset valued at $5 million to $25 million is counted at the lesser amount, as is a liability valued at $1 million to $5 million.

Those ranges mean that a Member�?�¢??s fortune can shift dramatically should an asset swing into the next category, even if the real change is a few thousand dollars up or down."

I fail to see how any of this means anything. All I said was that the TP is backed by a few multi-billionaires. John Kerry is the richest member of COngress and according to rollcall.com he’s “only” worth about 188 million big ones, most of which comes from his wife’s father’s estate, John Heinz, a former Republican Senator.

I am highly, highly skeptical of an ideological movement within a party that is backed in some part by multi-billionaires. The richer someone is, the more influence they have within our govt. These people, who exist outside of politics but have a direct impact on it, are known as political elites. This is not a term I made up; it is a legit political science term that refers to people who use their wealth and clout to influence govt. We see them all the time and we see them support both parties with relatively equal frequency.

All I’m saying is that if/when the TP becomes a relevant force in national politics (beyond where they are now) they will necessarily reflect the wishes of those who have donated to them and those who weild heavy influence over them. I don’t care how much money any of these billionaires have publicly donated to the GOP or to TP-affiliated politicians; if Koch or any of these others donated one dollar and I donated 1,000, I’d be a blithering fool to think for one second that I have more influence on the TP’s ideology than Koch does. So when I hear people say that the TP is a grassroots movement that is representative of the common American, I laugh. [/quote]

good post :slight_smile:

In my country we have a rich dude who owns alot of hotels. the last years he have been building up a image of himself as an “green capitalist”. My party( the red electorial alliance ) where offered 1 million kr by him because my party where working against dumping of toxic mud in the oslofjord. They turned his money down of princip and because they did know that hes concern for the enviroment where all about image. I wish more partys had policy like this. Then there would be possible to see whos backing the little man and whos backing the fatcatz.

Why not bring up George Soros DBcooper, I get what you mean but please bring in both sides not just the Tea Party. Also the tea party has no true leader and I was never involved in politics before but I have gone to a few tea party rallies, I am now a reformed liberal. But anywho lookup Soros and all the leftist org. he funds. Good post by the way.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The Tea Party is a joke anyways, since they’re backed by some of the biggest billionaires in the country and would seem to fly in the face of their ostensibly populist stance.
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You got a problem with billionaires? No matter what the progressives have convinced you of, I can promise you that rich people are not the devil.

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The Tea Party is a joke anyways, since they’re backed by some of the biggest billionaires in the country and would seem to fly in the face of their ostensibly populist stance.
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You got a problem with billionaires? No matter what the progressives have convinced you of, I can promise you that rich people are not the devil.[/quote]

I’m not a progressive and they have convinced me of nothing. There seems to be this prevailing attitude that if one does not agree 100% with the conservative agenda being spewed forth on FoxNews that one is a liberal. I am not a liberal; although I am liberal on many social issues I am conservative on just as many issues.

I never said that the rich are the devil. Clearly you misunderstood my point, so I’ll make it again. It is completely laughable to think that a movement within a political party, or a new political party that has its roots in an ideological movement, will remain true to that ideology, in the case of the TP that is. These billionaires are simple hedging their bets, nothing more. There’s nothing evil about it, but there is also nothing grassroots about the TP and they certainly do not have a monopoly on the mindset of the common American.

These billionaires (including Soros) simply see the TP as a potential force in the future of American politics. So what do they do? They donate, they use their wealth and clout to influence the TP so that if/when the TP becomes much more relevant on a national political level (whether it be as a splinter group within or outside of the GOP) these billionaires will already have their proverbial feet in the door. This is a fact; anyone who thinks that the TP will be above and beyond the influence of billionaires with less-than magnanimous intentions is an absolute idiot.

This is how politics works. It’s not evil, it’s not necessarily good either, but it IS reality.

I will add this to what DB said:

I don’t see the Tea Party being NEARLY as active as they were the past two years; even though there will most likely not be a significant change in the way the Federal Government does things.

“Base appeasing” has already begun (eg. McConnell now becoming a “leader” who must “listen to the people” concerning earmarks)…but nothing that represents nearly the almost paradigm shifts that need to occur will happen.

The Tea Party wing of the GOP has help accomplish what the GOP hoped it would.

Well done!

Mufasa

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The Tea Party is a joke anyways, since they’re backed by some of the biggest billionaires in the country and would seem to fly in the face of their ostensibly populist stance.
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You got a problem with billionaires? No matter what the progressives have convinced you of, I can promise you that rich people are not the devil.[/quote]

I only know one billionaire and while he is no baby killer he is a very dishonest man that steals from his employees, his brother (a lazy bum) and from his own children’s trust.

Palin IS hot.

ya’all can’t deny that.

I’d hit it.

I’d ride her like a rented mule.

Like she owed me money.

yep.