[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
If you wanted biceps, you had to do chin-ups (and likely squat as well). [/quote]
I was lied to. I was told to do bicep curls in the squat rack and that would help my biceps and quads all at once. Kill two birds with one stone I was told.[/quote]
If one of those birds was theBird I would be happy.
tweet[/quote]
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
If you wanted biceps, you had to do chin-ups (and likely squat as well). [/quote]
I was lied to. I was told to do bicep curls in the squat rack and that would help my biceps and quads all at once. Kill two birds with one stone I was told.[/quote]
If one of those birds was theBird I would be happy.[/quote]
You have with TheBird, you mess with me too…and I’m a badass!!!
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
This thread is dedicated to people that used to contribute to this site but no longer. For me, I would like to know, what happened to:
-John Berardi
-Chad Waterbury
-Tribunal Dude
-Derek (the guy with the flashing skull avatar)
-JJ
-Nate Orade
-Nominal Prospect[/quote]
In the Post-Poliquin-Pre-Livespill era, articles & content on this site were all about “squats and milk”. If you wanted more developed quads, you had to squat. If you wanted biceps, you had to do chin-ups (and likely squat as well). Biceps curls & leg extensions were taboo. Other popular topics included the emerging popularity of rehab/prehab (foam rolling, posture, da scapulaz!, neutral spine, etc.) and workout nutrition. Articles discussing what qualified as functional training and core work were rampant as well.
Since then, CrossFit, Kettlebells, and races like Tough Mudder have snatched up large portions of this fitness crowd, whereas T-Nation embraced bodybuilding. This is not necessarily a bad thing but rather a natural process of specialization resulting from the maturation of T-Nation as a business and shifting trends in the volatile fitness industry. As a result, new content (livespills & programs) as well as the new product lines for T-Nation are targeted towards bodybuilders. John Meadows has become the most popular author on T-Nation (aside from perhaps CT) and he is all about bodybuilding and the value of isolation exercises.
There was a time when people thought of the average T-Nation user in terms of strength rather than size/conditioning. I remember an author describing the average T-Nation user as someone who benches 225, squats 315, and deadlifts 405. Now, when I think of the average T-Nation user, I no longer envision the weights they are lifting, but instead think about an average level of muscularity and conditioning for someone who has been training about 2 years.
As far as specific authors go, John Berardi now has a very successful company that focuses on weight loss and healthy eating for the masses. Theoretically, he COULD write an article, but why would he? The average T-Nation user has no interest in buying his product. There’s a similar story for most of the other old authors.
This is not a criticism against T-Nation or its former contributors. There is a thread like this every couple months with people wondering what happened to old authors. Usually nothing happened to them and they are still involved in the fitness industry. The authors just specialized into something other than bodybuilding, whereas T-Nation itself has become more focused on bodybuilding.[/quote]
I’ve always thought of T-Nation as a body-building first site more than anything. Yes, they’ve had a number of popular series on rehabilitation and nutrition, such as the Neanderthal series (amongst others that I can’t name on the top of my head), which have become widely cited on the world-wide web (mainly through other fitness-related forums and blogs), but the central focus has always been bodybuilding.
Now, I may not be the best authority to make a comment like that, seeing as I’ve only ever visited T-Nation since 2007, which around the time I started weight-training and reading about it. However, based on the philosophies of the `old-guards’ if you will, like Prof X and co., I can’t help but think their old-school and rigid approach to bodybuilding directly fit into the original theme and purpose of this site. By that I mean the T-Nation forum started as a place where serious trainees could come and engage in discussion about their non-BS approach to all things bodybuilding, from nutrition to training.
As a note, I think the most over-looked aspect about this site, by both people who frequent here and outsiders, is the highly-intelligent free-content posted.
^^good points
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
If you wanted biceps, you had to do chin-ups (and likely squat as well). [/quote]
I was lied to. I was told to do bicep curls in the squat rack and that would help my biceps and quads all at once. Kill two birds with one stone I was told.[/quote]
If one of those birds was theBird I would be happy.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
This thread is dedicated to people that used to contribute to this site but no longer. For me, I would like to know, what happened to:
-John Berardi
-Chad Waterbury
-Tribunal Dude
-Derek (the guy with the flashing skull avatar)
-JJ
-Nate Orade
-Nominal Prospect[/quote]
In the Post-Poliquin-Pre-Livespill era, articles & content on this site were all about “squats and milk”. If you wanted more developed quads, you had to squat. If you wanted biceps, you had to do chin-ups (and likely squat as well). Biceps curls & leg extensions were taboo. Other popular topics included the emerging popularity of rehab/prehab (foam rolling, posture, da scapulaz!, neutral spine, etc.) and workout nutrition. Articles discussing what qualified as functional training and core work were rampant as well.
Since then, CrossFit, Kettlebells, and races like Tough Mudder have snatched up large portions of this fitness crowd, whereas T-Nation embraced bodybuilding. This is not necessarily a bad thing but rather a natural process of specialization resulting from the maturation of T-Nation as a business and shifting trends in the volatile fitness industry. As a result, new content (livespills & programs) as well as the new product lines for T-Nation are targeted towards bodybuilders. John Meadows has become the most popular author on T-Nation (aside from perhaps CT) and he is all about bodybuilding and the value of isolation exercises.
There was a time when people thought of the average T-Nation user in terms of strength rather than size/conditioning. I remember an author describing the average T-Nation user as someone who benches 225, squats 315, and deadlifts 405. Now, when I think of the average T-Nation user, I no longer envision the weights they are lifting, but instead think about an average level of muscularity and conditioning for someone who has been training about 2 years.
As far as specific authors go, John Berardi now has a very successful company that focuses on weight loss and healthy eating for the masses. Theoretically, he COULD write an article, but why would he? The average T-Nation user has no interest in buying his product. There’s a similar story for most of the other old authors.
This is not a criticism against T-Nation or its former contributors. There is a thread like this every couple months with people wondering what happened to old authors. Usually nothing happened to them and they are still involved in the fitness industry. The authors just specialized into something other than bodybuilding, whereas T-Nation itself has become more focused on bodybuilding.[/quote]
I’ve always thought of T-Nation as a body-building first site more than anything. Yes, they’ve had a number of popular series on rehabilitation and nutrition, such as the Neanderthal series (amongst others that I can’t name on the top of my head), which have become widely cited on the world-wide web (mainly through other fitness-related forums and blogs), but the central focus has always been bodybuilding.
Now, I may not be the best authority to make a comment like that, seeing as I’ve only ever visited T-Nation since 2007, which around the time I started weight-training and reading about it. However, based on the philosophies of the `old-guards’ if you will, like Prof X and co., I can’t help but think their old-school and rigid approach to bodybuilding directly fit into the original theme and purpose of this site. By that I mean the T-Nation forum started as a place where serious trainees could come and engage in discussion about their non-BS approach to all things bodybuilding, from nutrition to training.
As a note, I think the most over-looked aspect about this site, by both people who frequent here and outsiders, is the highly-intelligent free-content posted.
[/quote]
You pretty much nailed it.
T-Nation’s niche was, and I think is still supposed to be, extremely intelligent, honest, no-nonsense, real-world application of scientific principles applied to bodybuilding. In the really old days, that meant no-holds barred discussions of whatever-it-takes methods and products (illegal or otherwise). Over the past few years, though, in order to maintain the dominant position they have established for themselves, there has had to be a slight shift away from certain gray areas and a move toward other more mainstream ones.
On the whole, however, I’m happy to say that that Biotest and the owners of this site appear to want to stay true to the ideals the company was founded upon. That’s why I’m still here after 10 years now (since the paper mag).
[quote]forbes wrote:
I’ve always thought of T-Nation as a body-building first site more than anything. Yes, they’ve had a number of popular series on rehabilitation and nutrition, such as the Neanderthal series (amongst others that I can’t name on the top of my head), which have become widely cited on the world-wide web (mainly through other fitness-related forums and blogs), but the central focus has always been bodybuilding.
Now, I may not be the best authority to make a comment like that, seeing as I’ve only ever visited T-Nation since 2007, which around the time I started weight-training and reading about it. However, based on the philosophies of the `old-guards’ if you will, like Prof X and co., I can’t help but think their old-school and rigid approach to bodybuilding directly fit into the original theme and purpose of this site. By that I mean the T-Nation forum started as a place where serious trainees could come and engage in discussion about their non-BS approach to all things bodybuilding, from nutrition to training.
As a note, I think the most over-looked aspect about this site, by both people who frequent here and outsiders, is the highly-intelligent free-content posted.
[/quote]
T-Nation’s article topics and product lines of the mid 2000s up until about 2010 were definitely not nearly as bodybuilder-oriented as they are today. Today the most popular training programs on this site are John Meadows’ high volume approaches. Some 10 years ago, when Waterbury was around, one of the most popular programs was called “Anti Bodybuilding Hypertrophy Program”!
Neanderthal No More was just one of the extremely popular non-bodybuilding article sets, but not the only one. There was the Hips Don’t Lie, Shoulder Savers, dozens of “core” related articles, and more. Most of the popular training articles focused on powerlifting and the westside training method… even when the articles were all about building muscle! Westside for Skinny Bastards by Joe DeFranco comes to mind as an example.
But don’t take my word for it… just take a look at the way T-Nation’s product line has changed over the years. In the mid/late 2000s, the focus was on longevity, health, recovery, with the introduction of Superfood, FA3, Flameout, Circumin, Elite Pro Minerals, Z-12, Rhodolia, Rez-V. Now, it is focused on bodybuilding, with MAG-10, Anaconda, re-invention of the Finibar, Plazma, Indigo-3G. Right before all this happened, T-Nation changed their domain/brand to TMuscle (though now reverted). When this name change was first implemented, T-Nation was basically saying, “hey, we’re about bodybuilding now”. While the name changed back to T-Nation… the new content and product lines make it clear this website is primarily focused on bodybuilding now.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
T-Nation’s niche was, and I think is still supposed to be, extremely intelligent, honest, no-nonsense, real-world application of scientific principles applied to bodybuilding. In the really old days, that meant no-holds barred discussions of whatever-it-takes methods and products (illegal or otherwise). Over the past few years, though, in order to maintain the dominant position they have established for themselves, there has had to be a slight shift away from certain gray areas and a move toward other more mainstream ones.
On the whole, however, I’m happy to say that that Biotest and the owners of this site appear to want to stay true to the ideals the company was founded upon. That’s why I’m still here after 10 years now (since the paper mag). [/quote]
I think you both may be a bit biased due to how many posts you have on the forums. T-Nation’s forums have always been bodybuilding dominant and the community on the boards has always been largely interested in bodybuilding. I am referring specifically to contributors here and the content run on T-Nation. As someone who mostly reads articles and rarely uses the forums, I can say T-Nation’s articles have most definitely not always been bodybuilding dominant.
The popular authors of the mid-late 2000s:
Berardi, EC, Robertson, Alwyn Cosgrove, Mike Boyle, Dave Tate, Dan John, Waterbury, Shugs… all great authors, very popular at the time, but none of them bodybuilders (aside from Berardi - kind of).
Anyone remember Scott Abel? He was actually a bodybuilder and had a lot of great bodybuilding-oriented articles and training programs in the mid 2000s, but he always caught so much flak and his articles always got the worst reviews. A lot of his advice was good, he just wasn’t banging the squats and milk drum that was popular at the time.
I came here as a MM2K disciple after “the falling out”. T Nation definitely went through a long period of TBT (some upper/lower), core, PL, and athletic training, to the point of seeming anti-bodybuilding.
Remember that Ian King, Coach Davies, Charles Poliquin, DeFranco, Tate, Waterbury, and many others, were/are first and foremost athletic/performance/strength coaches. Even Thibs was an Oly coach/lifter before making the switch. Many articles were laced with comments about BB’er being all show and no go, or oiled up gorillas in a thong. Direct arm work, traditional ab training, body part spilts, and steady state cardio were all big no-no’s.
It’s all part of the experiment. The forums are a great way to get real world feedback (for user and T Nation) and see what is working for others.
I remember a thread back in 02 or 03 started by a college kid who was a lean 220 pounds with fantastic symmetry. Everyone asked the usual “what do you eat?”, “how do you train?” questions. He was on a 6 day split and did some cardio (not HIIT). I don’t recall much about his diet other than he used to eat Captain Crunch every morning (I think with a protein shake). Well, the response was not good to say the least. He was first accused of lying and then using steroids as no one could possibly get those results by doing it all wrong. Some more helpful souls tried to set him straight and recommended he start TBT, HIIT, and clean up his diet.
We’ve come a long way since then, in some ways. Hopefully we can at least agree there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and everyone is different. Results speak for themselves regardless of what the flavor of the month author is telling you. Try different approaches for yourself and decide if it’s useful to you.
[quote]KAS wrote:
I came here as a MM2K disciple after “the falling out”. T Nation definitely went through a long period of TBT (some upper/lower), core, PL, and athletic training, to the point of seeming anti-bodybuilding.
Remember that Ian King, Coach Davies, Charles Poliquin, DeFranco, Tate, Waterbury, and many others, were/are first and foremost athletic/performance/strength coaches. Even Thibs was an Oly coach/lifter before making the switch. Many articles were laced with comments about BB’er being all show and no go, or oiled up gorillas in a thong. Direct arm work, traditional ab training, body part spilts, and steady state cardio were all big no-no’s.
It’s all part of the experiment. The forums are a great way to get real world feedback (for user and T Nation) and see what is working for others.
I remember a thread back in 02 or 03 started by a college kid who was a lean 220 pounds with fantastic symmetry. Everyone asked the usual “what do you eat?”, “how do you train?” questions. He was on a 6 day split and did some cardio (not HIIT). I don’t recall much about his diet other than he used to eat Captain Crunch every morning (I think with a protein shake). Well, the response was not good to say the least. He was first accused of lying and then using steroids as no one could possibly get those results by doing it all wrong. Some more helpful souls tried to set him straight and recommended he start TBT, HIIT, and clean up his diet.
We’ve come a long way since then, in some ways. Hopefully we can at least agree there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and everyone is different. Results speak for themselves regardless of what the flavor of the month author is telling you. Try different approaches for yourself and decide if it’s useful to you.
[/quote]
Like 6 years ago,a man who broke the world record in number of pull-ups done in 24 hours opened a thread here about his plans to break his own record- and what happened you can already assume-the internet-experts were sure he was doing it wrong training & diet wise and gave plenty of advice! :))))
ID Lol
[quote]gregron wrote:
If you have any information concerning the whereabouts of this dwarf please speak up.[/quote]
Is there a tiger on the other side of the carton?
[quote]print wrote:
LULZ!!![/quote]
Cro?!
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]KAS wrote:
I came here as a MM2K disciple after “the falling out”. T Nation definitely went through a long period of TBT (some upper/lower), core, PL, and athletic training, to the point of seeming anti-bodybuilding.
Remember that Ian King, Coach Davies, Charles Poliquin, DeFranco, Tate, Waterbury, and many others, were/are first and foremost athletic/performance/strength coaches. Even Thibs was an Oly coach/lifter before making the switch. Many articles were laced with comments about BB’er being all show and no go, or oiled up gorillas in a thong. Direct arm work, traditional ab training, body part spilts, and steady state cardio were all big no-no’s.
It’s all part of the experiment. The forums are a great way to get real world feedback (for user and T Nation) and see what is working for others.
I remember a thread back in 02 or 03 started by a college kid who was a lean 220 pounds with fantastic symmetry. Everyone asked the usual “what do you eat?”, “how do you train?” questions. He was on a 6 day split and did some cardio (not HIIT). I don’t recall much about his diet other than he used to eat Captain Crunch every morning (I think with a protein shake). Well, the response was not good to say the least. He was first accused of lying and then using steroids as no one could possibly get those results by doing it all wrong. Some more helpful souls tried to set him straight and recommended he start TBT, HIIT, and clean up his diet.
We’ve come a long way since then, in some ways. Hopefully we can at least agree there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and everyone is different. Results speak for themselves regardless of what the flavor of the month author is telling you. Try different approaches for yourself and decide if it’s useful to you.
[/quote]
Like 6 years ago,a man who broke the world record in number of pull-ups done in 24 hours opened a thread here about his plans to break his own record- and what happened you can already assume-the internet-experts were sure he was doing it wrong training & diet wise and gave plenty of advice! :))))
[/quote]
I missed that one, gotta love the internet.
More on topic, I used to enjoy Rainjack’s posts.
[quote]KAS wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]KAS wrote:
I came here as a MM2K disciple after “the falling out”. T Nation definitely went through a long period of TBT (some upper/lower), core, PL, and athletic training, to the point of seeming anti-bodybuilding.
Remember that Ian King, Coach Davies, Charles Poliquin, DeFranco, Tate, Waterbury, and many others, were/are first and foremost athletic/performance/strength coaches. Even Thibs was an Oly coach/lifter before making the switch. Many articles were laced with comments about BB’er being all show and no go, or oiled up gorillas in a thong. Direct arm work, traditional ab training, body part spilts, and steady state cardio were all big no-no’s.
It’s all part of the experiment. The forums are a great way to get real world feedback (for user and T Nation) and see what is working for others.
I remember a thread back in 02 or 03 started by a college kid who was a lean 220 pounds with fantastic symmetry. Everyone asked the usual “what do you eat?”, “how do you train?” questions. He was on a 6 day split and did some cardio (not HIIT). I don’t recall much about his diet other than he used to eat Captain Crunch every morning (I think with a protein shake). Well, the response was not good to say the least. He was first accused of lying and then using steroids as no one could possibly get those results by doing it all wrong. Some more helpful souls tried to set him straight and recommended he start TBT, HIIT, and clean up his diet.
We’ve come a long way since then, in some ways. Hopefully we can at least agree there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and everyone is different. Results speak for themselves regardless of what the flavor of the month author is telling you. Try different approaches for yourself and decide if it’s useful to you.
[/quote]
Like 6 years ago,a man who broke the world record in number of pull-ups done in 24 hours opened a thread here about his plans to break his own record- and what happened you can already assume-the internet-experts were sure he was doing it wrong training & diet wise and gave plenty of advice! :))))
[/quote]
I missed that one, gotta love the internet.
More on topic, I used to enjoy Rainjack’s posts.[/quote]
Here it is- keyboard warriors finest hour! ;))
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]challer1 wrote:
If you wanted biceps, you had to do chin-ups (and likely squat as well). [/quote]
I was lied to. I was told to do bicep curls in the squat rack and that would help my biceps and quads all at once. Kill two birds with one stone I was told.[/quote]
Well I was told that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, so why even pick up a stone when you’ve caught a bird already? Anything else is just showing off.
They banned Charlie Horse.
They sort of, I have no idea, removed Iron Dwarf.
Raving Lunatics like me or DBCooper are allowed to post to their hearts delight.
Thats just not right.
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
I’ve always thought of T-Nation as a body-building first site more than anything. Yes, they’ve had a number of popular series on rehabilitation and nutrition, such as the Neanderthal series (amongst others that I can’t name on the top of my head), which have become widely cited on the world-wide web (mainly through other fitness-related forums and blogs), but the central focus has always been bodybuilding.
Now, I may not be the best authority to make a comment like that, seeing as I’ve only ever visited T-Nation since 2007, which around the time I started weight-training and reading about it. However, based on the philosophies of the `old-guards’ if you will, like Prof X and co., I can’t help but think their old-school and rigid approach to bodybuilding directly fit into the original theme and purpose of this site. By that I mean the T-Nation forum started as a place where serious trainees could come and engage in discussion about their non-BS approach to all things bodybuilding, from nutrition to training.
As a note, I think the most over-looked aspect about this site, by both people who frequent here and outsiders, is the highly-intelligent free-content posted.
[/quote]
T-Nation’s article topics and product lines of the mid 2000s up until about 2010 were definitely not nearly as bodybuilder-oriented as they are today. Today the most popular training programs on this site are John Meadows’ high volume approaches. Some 10 years ago, when Waterbury was around, one of the most popular programs was called “Anti Bodybuilding Hypertrophy Program”!
Neanderthal No More was just one of the extremely popular non-bodybuilding article sets, but not the only one. There was the Hips Don’t Lie, Shoulder Savers, dozens of “core” related articles, and more. Most of the popular training articles focused on powerlifting and the westside training method… even when the articles were all about building muscle! Westside for Skinny Bastards by Joe DeFranco comes to mind as an example.
But don’t take my word for it… just take a look at the way T-Nation’s product line has changed over the years. In the mid/late 2000s, the focus was on longevity, health, recovery, with the introduction of Superfood, FA3, Flameout, Circumin, Elite Pro Minerals, Z-12, Rhodolia, Rez-V. Now, it is focused on bodybuilding, with MAG-10, Anaconda, re-invention of the Finibar, Plazma, Indigo-3G. Right before all this happened, T-Nation changed their domain/brand to TMuscle (though now reverted). When this name change was first implemented, T-Nation was basically saying, “hey, we’re about bodybuilding now”. While the name changed back to T-Nation… the new content and product lines make it clear this website is primarily focused on bodybuilding now.[/quote]
Lol, not that I disagree with anything you wrote, but you quoted the wrong person. I didn’t write any of your quoted material.
