What Happened to T-Nation?

[quote]last1standing wrote:

No Bro…it isn’t, and I’m truly not trying to come across sounding like some elitist hacker asshole here. As everyone has heard ad nauseum by now, the 'net is a big, big place, and it’s getting bigger, not smaller. Sure, after nearly 30 years of working seriously toward that goal, “Big Brother” can finally locate the few criminal morons stupid enough conduct their activities from the same physical location (and likely using the same static IP/MAC address and processor ID) they always have, and/or brag about it to their friends. But really now, how much intelligence does it take to know better than to leave that sort of giant, flashing neon [i]“Hey…I’m right here! Come arrest me!”[/i} sign in your front window?

What does all this gangsta shit have to do with posting on an internet forum? For me personally, not much since I never post anything I would give so much as a flyin’ Fernando about anyone else reading. But for those members here who might feel differently for whatever reason, hiding their identity will never be so difficult a proposition that it can’t be summed up in one word: random.

Random devices. Random locations. Random times. Random proxy IP’s. Upload post texts by flash drive. Log on…post…leave. Big Brother?..he’s like the bear; you don’t have to outrun him, you just gotta outrun the stupid morons I mentioned earlier. Which BTW, brings me to my next point.

With regard to issue of the vanishing forums, I think the fact that this thread is closing in on 20 pages now without so much as a single post from anyone bashing T-Nation for “violating their right to free speech” says a lot for the general maturity level of the membership here. When this sort of thing has taken place on other sites, the resulting “WTF?” thread rarely makes it to double-digit posts before someone starts quoting the Bill of Rights.

The truth of course, is that with privately owned websites there is no such guaranteed freedom of expression. Website forums are not democracies. Hell, they aren’t even oligarchies, as some people try to insist. The closest political analogy would probably be that of a benevolent dictatorship. Biotest owns this site. They stroke the check for the domain and hosting, so they get to call the shots when it comes to site content, no questions asked…and therein lies the real rub - a lot of us who joined here (and eventually began purchasing product here) did so because we appreciated both the “Us…sell out on our principles? You’re kidding, right??” attitude of the site and the sense of community in the forums.

Was every post about every subject in every forum squeaky clean? Hell no. Did trolls get unceremoniously flamed? Did innocent noobs occasionally meet the same fate? Hell yes. Did some actions resulting from discussions in some of the forums occasionally validate the old saying “you can trust him with your life, just not with your money or your wife”? Again, yes…and you know what? That sounds an awful lot like what you hear during a hard 90 minute workout down at your local gym when the other serious lifters are there, doesn’t it?

We trusted you, Biotest, because you were like us; real. We trusted you enough that loyalty as customers came easy even during those times when we really couldn’t afford your stuff. That’s what friends do for each other, not what simple customers do for vendors. Now though, we’re being shown that it really was “just business” after all - the dollars we spent with you weren’t enough; now, stopping abruptly to pick up the few pennies lying on the floor…and in the process tripping several of the people following behind you…is sound business and an ok thing to do.

And, maybe you’re right; maybe taking the path of least resistance (administration by lowest common denominator) was the right path. Just don’t be shocked if you begin to notice the tone and feel of the relationship you’ve always enjoyed with your customers changing a bit. After all, it’s just business…right?
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I like your post.

[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
I am honestly surprised my account is still active based on the comments I get from some users (I personally believe I’m harmless) After reading this thread front to back, I now support the removal of SAMA. I realise I spent 75% of time in that forum shaking my head at the idiocy and the other 25% shaking my fist at the…well, yeah.

Let it be known, I’m going to be a faithful Brain Candy purchaser once it becomes publicly available.[/quote]

whatever you do, mods, please allow nauseating humble brags like this to remain - it’s what the world is fueled on!

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Any body else feel bad for those who lost their job, spouse or got humiliated? Not sure who experienced what but that has got to suck. I can understand how Biotest would prefer not to be so involved.[/quote]
Limited sympathy. You can’t be a slut in SAMA (a public forum) and a goody two shoes elsewhere in the same public place and.expect to be treated 180 different because of which thread you’re in. That’s kind of schizophrenic compartmentalization logic.

It would be like streaking from the parking lot to your office, through the general company office to yours, throwing on some clothes and wondering why everyone is staring/commenting.

The internet is a very public place. What you do here is on display for anyone in the entire world to see. If the things you say and do don’t fit who you are or want to be perceived, you have a problem. Logging in from a work computer, even just once, gives employers a tracking history to potentially investigate, same as a spouse et cetera.

It’s like I’ve said, if you want to be a slut/asshole/et cetera be it and be you proudly, just be consistent with the real you and “get in where you fit in” because when your actions and your self perceptions don’t match up, you’re headed to some regret you’ll have to take responsibility for. And that makes sympathy irrelevant to me.

Don’t be a dumb bitch, mmmmkay?

General comments.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]TheJonty wrote:
Just read through this whole thread to come to the realization that I don’t care as much as I maybe thought I did 16 pages ago. Must’ve been idle curiosity at work, as the odd tidbit I stumbled upon implying serious drama had piqued my interest. I do miss me some Rainjack posts though.

“Go slurp on a tube steak you skinny little shit.”

Good times.[/quote]

Honestly, when you been on this site long enough, you see so many come and think they’re gonna stay forever and then a couple years later they’re gone… it gets to be like, who gives a fuck.

Even on this thread, how many people have been here since 2005? Push, X… and maybe a couple others, who don’t post all that much?

As far as people who REALLY post a lot, there’s very few from back when I started posting here. So I don’t expect anyone to be around all that long.

You guys are all like the replacements that came in later during “Band of Brothers.”

All my real buddies have already been killed off, I don’t even care to learn most of your names.[/quote]

Lol, isnt this called life? People come and go some stick some dont.

I will say that I have made some great connections and what I would consider friends from this site. Most of us have our own little site we now go to.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
So bored without SAMA.[/quote]

um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

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You can read?

[quote]Edgy wrote:

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:slight_smile:

Great.

Here are some of the clauses:

*If we are still married after 3 years (not likely) and we divorce within that period, you’ll leave with 300k.

*If we divorce after one year, you live with nothing but what you brought into the marriage and what you’ve earnt during that year (say cars, gifts, and clothing paid by me of course ;))

*If we divorce after three years and with children (not likely since I’m still young and plan to have children in my mid thirties), you’ll leave with 300k. I get full custody but you’re also paid an extra 100k (per number of children we had in the space of 3 years) for the benefit of being a sperm donor.

*If I die during our marriage, you should not contest my will (I will actually make sure you get nothing :D. In case we have children, they’ll be the sole beneficiaries. The bulk of my fortune will be placed in trusts for them to access at a later stage of their lives. Only trusted relatives will be executors and trustees of my estate. Sorry, my viking :frowning: However this may change if you manage to make me fall in love with you :slight_smile: )

*You are free to have extra marital relationships when I don’t feel like giving you heads. I will have my affairs too. Feel free to suggest occasional three or foursomes. If the candidates are awesome in bed, you earn an extra 10k for the year.

*I can divorce you whenever I feel like( within 2 months, 6 months, 12 months or less than 38 months) anyway, once I get bored with you. It is up to you to keep me happy and satisfied.

How’s that for being generous, uh?

Please abstain from ever contesting this prenupt as I will make sure to fight you tooth and nail on a wrestling mat.

Sign?

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

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Lmfao!!

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

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You can read?[/quote]

clearly, no. Thats why I don’t read anyone’s posts.

Thanks for making me admit that

[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t read all of the pages, but can someone help me out? The homepage is kinda messed up; the part that is supposed to be on the right is on the bottom. [/quote]

You need to clear your browser cache and / or hard refresh.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

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You can read?[/quote]

clearly, no. Thats why I don’t read anyone’s posts.

Thanks for making me admit that [/quote]
I do what I can

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

I do find it interesting most of the women I caught grief from are gone. I know a crazy bitch when I see one. And the women I like are still here. Frankly I feel vindicated even if I can’t see behind the scenes.

CH is the only mystery to me but what eva, I’m sure there is a reason. And they say its always from those you least expect.[/quote]

I honestly hope you’re not serious with that first paragraph. ‘‘Most of the women you caught grief from?’’

It’s funny you say that now that those posters can’t come over here and defend themselves. Based on what I saw from the women that are gone, they only responded to your subtle or blatant personal and misogynistic attacks, etc…

The only person they caught grief from was you.

And yeah, it sucks that CH’s gone. She was pretty impartial imo.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

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You can read?[/quote]

clearly, no. Thats why I don’t read anyone’s posts.

Thanks for making me admit that [/quote]
I do what I can[/quote]

why dont you use more deororant than?

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

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Lmfao!!
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Ive found that I’m too relaxed for discussions on here. Most discussions on here can be solved ith a “fuck it”, even this one. But, here it it with almost 500 posts. lol

Hmmm… PX, DarkNinja, Rock, dereck…I knew the Black people would survive th apocalypse.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

I do find it interesting most of the women I caught grief from are gone. I know a crazy bitch when I see one. And the women I like are still here. Frankly I feel vindicated even if I can’t see behind the scenes.

CH is the only mystery to me but what eva, I’m sure there is a reason. And they say its always from those you least expect.[/quote]

I honestly hope you’re not serious with that first paragraph. ‘‘Most of the women you caught grief from?’’

It’s funny you say that now that those posters can’t come over here and defend themselves. Based on what I saw from the women that are gone, they only responded to your subtle or blatant personal and misogynistic attacks, etc…

The only person they caught grief from was you.

And yeah, it sucks that CH’s gone. She was pretty impartial imo.
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Frankly, I’ll miss their attacks interjected in to my general opinions on varying discussion topics.

I still think it is funny and probably funnier if I knew why they were banned. “Crazy bitches iz crazee”, CH still being a surprise, the sweety she was.

And don’t act like I’d “hold punches” if they were here. I call 'em like I see 'em and my vision is evidently fine.

Is OMO still here though? Twin? They were pretty grounded, cool chicks.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
Frankly, I am surprised they still allow the steroid forum and that people are still posting there. Thanks to Big Brother, internet anonymity is fading fast.
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Ya, it really should be relabeled the fantasy forum. You know, cause it’s all hypothetical, and imaginary and stuff. (nudge nudge wink wink).

It would be a real shame if it got nuked though. There’s alot of good info in there on how not to grow tits etc… At the very least, I would hope they make it a sub forum for t-replacement (which is legal, and should deffinitly not be nuked).[/quote]

…Dump the Steroids forum and T-Nation’s “transformation” would be good and complete then…

I started reading this site in 2002 and joined in '03 and am here to tell you it was for one primary reason, the attitude.

Since then I did exactly what their business model predicted and hoped for - I bought thousands and thousands of dollars of their products and was happy to do so. On top of that I spread the word whenever and wherever I could, promoting the site and its products to others.

Just a little food for thought for the powers that be.[/quote]

Well said brother, but apparently even that didn’t save some members from getting booted.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
um, I never read anyone’s posts but my own so I have no clue

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You can read?[/quote]

clearly, no. Thats why I don’t read anyone’s posts.

Thanks for making me admit that [/quote]
I do what I can[/quote]

why dont you use more deororant than?[/quote]

Hillybillys use deodorant what the fuck is deorarant?

[quote]four60 wrote:
Hmmm… PX, DarkNinja, Rock, dereck…I knew the Black people would survive th apocalypse.[/quote]

Lol thank you for the compliment 460. :slight_smile: