I’m just waiting for Push and his disciples to pop in with their archaic “Evil Empire” nonsense. As early as 1978, 36% of American military officers believed that Soviet actions were primarily defensive in nature.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Soviet Union was an evil empire.
Just sayin’.[/quote]
Their actions during the Cold War were just as rational as those of the United States.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Soviet Union was an evil empire.
Just sayin’.[/quote]
Their actions during the Cold War were just as rational as those of the United States. [/quote]
Just one example is that of Cuba. No different than when we put missiles in Turkey. However, the ruthlessness against certain groups and political enemies is far greater than that of the US.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Soviet Union was an evil empire.
Just sayin’.[/quote]
Their actions during the Cold War were just as rational as those of the United States. [/quote]
If you accept that they were protecting a system of economic slavery and insanity, then yes.
If you start with the wrong premises, “rationality” is the way madness lies.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
On CNN, just a moment ago:
“…military exercises in the Black Sea. We’ll have more on that later in the night, but cming up next, what will the stars be wearing on the red carpet?”[/quote]
Maybe you’re joking, but I would believe it…
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Soviet Union was an evil empire.
Just sayin’.[/quote]
Their actions during the Cold War were just as rational as those of the United States. [/quote]
…ahhh the cold war. how chilling.
i wonder how many russian’s feel the urgency to alter their lifestyle because of American man made global warming? by the way, when are our effeminate men going to demand that “man made” apocalyptic issues be more gender equal?
now back to the your soviet union’s actions during the cold war as “rational” comment.
i don’t recall America sailing nuclear weapons within 90 miles of russian shores.
America had nuclear missiles in ankara (turkey) but they were part of our nato alliance and their use required authority from both countries.
you can hardly describe actions of an opponent that “purged” over twenty million of it’s own citizens as rational. and by purged i mean. never mind.
No more red lines for this president, just sayin’.
I personally think Russia’s occupation of Crimea is very understandable . I am sure America would do the same . The only down side I guess is there is a lot of Industry in Crimea and will put a serious dent in Ukraine’s economy
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Soviet Union was an evil empire.
Just sayin’.[/quote]
Their actions during the Cold War were just as rational as those of the United States. [/quote]
If you accept that they were protecting a system of economic slavery and insanity, then yes.
If you start with the wrong premises, “rationality” is the way madness lies. [/quote]
Yep. Killing 10’s of millions of your own citizens is certainly rational.
If anyone needs a quick reminder.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
I’m just waiting for Push and his disciples to pop in with their archaic “Evil Empire” nonsense. As early as 1978, 36% of American military officers believed that Soviet actions were primarily defensive in nature. [/quote]
…hmmm
i think some of the PWI intellectual monday morning quarterbacks don’t know what the fuck they are talking about.
isn’t it time the white house quits fooling around with john kerry and the president steps up to do some of his cool smooth talking to let putin know what he’s dealing with? (scolding our ally israel isn’t what i have in mind)
the American public fell in love with obama because he’s got that “rap” thang going on… unlike romney or that rube former governor palin who talked about Georgia and those ridiculous DEATH PANELS.
http://eaglerising.com/4665/sarah-palin-right-socialized-healthcare-demands-death-panels/
besides vacation spots, snowboarding, windsurfing or where to get really bad plastic surgery, what international conversation does john kerry really have to offer? obama needs to reach out and “rap” or get his hillary back in the fold:
all that cold war talk returning now that we are gutting our military is laughable isn’t it? the chinese have backed putin. chinese vastly outnumber our ships at sea and they are building more aircraft carriers as i write. all for defensive use of course. they are just like us they want world peace.
next our allies will begin actions without consulting their superpower because they believe we won’t be there in a time of crisis. if we have been lulled to sleep this will destabilize some relationships.
when your military has more suicides than deaths from the taliban and seal team six mysteriously loses Navy SEALs shortly after they took out osama bin laden you instinctively know it’s time to gut the military. less margin of error with fewer personnel. way to go chuck hagel.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I personally think Russia’s occupation of Crimea is very understandable . I am sure America would do the same . The only down side I guess is there is a lot of Industry in Crimea and will put a serious dent in Ukraine’s economy [/quote]
what are you talking about?
did we annex Japan or help rebuild them stronger after they attacked us?
did we die for a lie and take Iran’s oil?
did we sneak in, kill osama bin laden and quietly steal their nation?
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Soviet Union was an evil empire.
Just sayin’.[/quote]
Their actions during the Cold War were just as rational as those of the United States. [/quote]
…ahhh the cold war. how chilling.
i wonder how many russian’s feel the urgency to alter their lifestyle because of American man made global warming? by the way, when are our effeminate men going to demand that “man made” apocalyptic issues be more gender equal?
now back to the your soviet union’s actions during the cold war as “rational” comment.
i don’t recall America sailing nuclear weapons within 90 miles of russian shores.
America had nuclear missiles in ankara (turkey) but they were part of our nato alliance and their use required authority from both countries.
you can hardly describe actions of an opponent that “purged” over twenty million of it’s own citizens as rational. and by purged i mean. never mind.
[/quote]
You’re incorrect. The U.S. widely deployed submarines armed with nuclear weapons. SLBMs are also widely considered by analysts to be defensive weapons, as they are the key component of a state’s second strike capability.
Again, incorrect. The U.S. had sole purview over the American nuclear weapons deployed within NATO states. The NPT killed any plans that were in the works for a multilateral force agreement regarding the deployment of nuclear weapons.
That’s an issue of domestic politics and falls outside the time frame I specified.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If anyone needs a quick reminder. [/quote]
What does this demonstrate? Anyone who believes we still reside in a bipolar world in which Russia is our preeminent security concern is beyond ignorant.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If anyone needs a quick reminder. [/quote]
What does this demonstrate? Anyone who believes we still reside in a bipolar world in which Russia is our preeminent security concern is beyond ignorant.[/quote]
It demonstrates that trying to dismiss and humiliate someone who turned out to be more astute than you is pretty fucking stupid.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
did we annex Japan or help rebuild them stronger after they attacked us?
[/quote]
OK Japan has a civil war some one factions that are hostile to America take control of Japan , of course we have a treaty and would only be honoring our treaty
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If anyone needs a quick reminder. [/quote]
What does this demonstrate? Anyone who believes we still reside in a bipolar world in which Russia is our preeminent security concern is beyond ignorant.[/quote]
It demonstrates that trying to dismiss and humiliate someone who turned out to be more astute than you is pretty fucking stupid. [/quote]
How does Russia’s realpolitik intervention in Ukrainian affairs (which is well within its sphere of influence) correlate with Romney’s archaic claim that the Russian Federation “is without a doubt our number one geopolitical foe”? Show me how this tangibly affects the United States vis a vis Russia.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
How does Russia’s realpolitik intervention in Ukrainian affairs (which is well within its sphere of influence) correlate with Romney’s archaic claim that the Russian Federation “is without a doubt our number one geopolitical foe”? Show me how this tangibly affects the United States vis a vis Russia. [/quote]
bismark please take another drink of vodka.
if a sector in the ukraine falls, does it make a sound? how about a nation? an ally?
if there is nothing to be lost, why doesn’t obama just tell putin the truth, and say he has no interest in getting into a conflict?
he can say “instead let’s fight global warming” (which evidently is john kerry’s biggest fear)