What About The Debt?

[ZEB]

[quote]H factor wrote:

Yes I knew it would eventually come to this. RONALD REAGAN would have wiped this out? Based on what evidence? The man exploded government and the debt. He raised taxes which is undoable under the Grover Norquist “law” Republicans need to follow. Raising taxes is almost always bad, but Republicans did the unthinkable. Slashed revenues while drastically increasing spending.[/quote]

Ronald Reagan lowered taxes (and cut loopholes) to their lowest point in modern times. And in the process created 20 million jobs. If the democrats had passed his budget we would have shrunk government. If you want to see what happens when the liberals are left alone year after year with no conservative influences take a look at the two biggest state catastrophes, California and New York.

Thre is no more dispute when you look at any state that has been run by liberals for a long period of time, liberalism DOES NOT WORK and it never has!

And you want to blame Obama for the deficit? Give me a fucking break.

From 11 triilion to 16 trillion on Obama’s watch. And he called GW Bush “unpatriotic” For raised the debt as high as he did in 8 years. But Obama beat him and the rest of the Presidents in only four years!

OH BOY A SECOND OBAMA TERM!

What the hell is he going to do with four more years? 20 trillion in debt? Obama is a walking disease for this economy. The more years we have with liberals in charge the more the US gets to look like California.

What a comforting thought.

By the way Obama had both houses of congress democrat his first two years. He could have passed any budget that he wanted. BUT what did he do? Spent more money obamacare!

This guy is the second worst modern day President only exceeded by LBJ. And in four more years he will most likely surpass Johnson.

Ronald Reagan is the biggest myth ever perpetuated on the conservative people. Here you go touting him as some kind of economic God when the man increased the national debt and size of government greatly.

He increased it by what? A trillion? And what did we get out of it? 20 million new private sector jobs which is exactly 20 more than Obam has given us.

You really need to study some history junior. Turn off Jon Stewart Obama won’t be on again he already suckered your generation into voting for him. Now go read a book history book.

Fuck you wouldn’t have made this thread if Romney won. It’d have been defend defense increases because bad guys and yay tax cuts even if we increase spending because more money in your pocket and all the other fairy tales.

In the obama world there are no bad guys. There is no terrorism and certainly no one would ever kill our Ambassador. The first Ambassador killed in about 45 years under Obama’s watch. Know why sparky?

In the middle east they call Obama a “woman” He is viewed as weak and ineffective. He is naive and thinks that appeasing terrorists will make them go away. Before the end of his second term we will be in a major conflict because of his weakness abroad. Not even another apology tour will help…

Now granted you will come in and here and say stuff like blah blah blah defense, but good God how full of shit can one guy be when they claim a President who accumulated much more debt than Bill Clinton is the one we should listen to. And I’m sure you’ll do what ALL Republicans do and talk about how it was the Republican Congress that was the reason for the Clintion minimal debts.

I give Bill Clinton much credit for reaching across the isle to Newt Gingrich and succeeding. Your hero obamawitz is far too arrogant to ever do anything like that. Obama is an ideologue. Look how he squandered his first two years in office when he actually could have done something about jobs and debt. He passed obamacare…left wing ideologues do not reach across the isle. But the voters need their asses kicked for four more years before they realize who they have in office.

It’s Obama’s fault now (even though we have a divided Congress) and all the good things were Reagan. Your party cheerleader clothes come out again. Grab the pom poms. When R President’s screw up if we have Dems in Congress it’s their fault! If Republicans are in power in Congress and a Dem President then yay Congress! Look at what all THEY got done.

As I said above Obama had two years of both houses being controlled by democrats how much did the debt get paid down? ZIP!

What makes Obama so shitty is he has continued what YOUR GUY DID!

I agree Obama is shitty…

Obama has been horrible because he was hired to undo the nightmare of the last 8 years of Republican rule. He didn’t get it done.

Didn’t get it done? HE MADE THINGS WORSE!

He didn’t lower unemployment

He raised the debt to 16 trillion

17 million MORE people on food stamps

The guy is a catastrophe.

But you want to pin all the blame on him.

Who was the President for the last four years? It wasn’t George Bush it was barack Obama! He was in charge he gets the blame! Are you lefty’s going to blame George Bush in 4 more years when Obam continues to be the economic disaster that he’s proven to be?

When is it ever Obama’s fault? He made things worse over four years but it’s still Bush’s fault?

LOL…You guys are self-delusional no question…

Clinton surplus? Republicans did it.

As I explained above I give Bill Clinton much credit for getting together with the Gingrich Congress and getting it done. But Obama won’t do that he had the chance and didn’t do. You think he’ll do it now?

Your man is a left wing idealogue…and far too arrogant to ever give an inch. He’ll go down in history as a loser for those reasons as well. Unfortunately the country will fall into another recession because of him—WANNA BET SPARKY?

We can always pin the blame somewhere else when we’re really big fans of a team.

Which is what you guys have done for four years with GW Bush. I just can’t wait to see how you try to blame him after another four years. We hired Obama to fix the problem and he makes it worse. So we hire him again for four more years becasuse he hasn’t quite brought the country to its knees…that will take another four years.

All but the left will be sick of Obama in about two years and the great recession that he will bring on by raising taxes.

Again,…WANNA BET?

You don’t need to blame Obama or the people who voted for him for the mess. The Democrats were put into power after your party fucked everything up.

Then Obama fucked it up even worse. If he didn’t then why have you not yet posted all of Obama’s great achievements as I requested?

I will do it for you as I know it scares you.

Obama’s First Term Achievements

Killed Osama Bin Laden

That’t it!

Now if I’m wrong feel free to add up all of his great accomplishments. Go right ahead just post them that will show me…Can’t can you?

Know why?

The guy’s a clueless naive leftist loser!

Say the word and I post all of his many, many mistakes. In the meantime keep humping that Obama doll you have in your closet. It’s the most satisfaction you’ll get from four more years of a failed President.

Chump.

[ZEB]

Hey H factor why don’t you ask Max who posts right here on this site how good the liberals in California have done.

Go ahead talk to someone who lives in a state where the left has controlled the state house term after term with no conservatives to get in the way.

ASK HIM…GO AHEAD.

[sufiandy]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey H factor why don’t you ask Max who posts right here on this site how good the liberals in California have done.

Go ahead talk to someone who lives in a state where the left has controlled the state house term after term with no conservatives to get in the way.

ASK HIM…GO AHEAD.[/quote]

I thought Arnold fixed everything

[H_factor]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Ronald Reagan lowered taxes (and cut loopholes) to their lowest point in modern times. And in the process created 20 million jobs. If the democrats had passed his budget we would have shrunk government. If you want to see what happens when the liberals are left alone year after year with no conservative influences take a look at the two biggest state catastrophes, California and New York.[/quote]

God are you that blind: "The average income tax rate under Reagan in 1983 was 11.06 percent. Under Clinton in 1992, it was 9.18 percent. And under Obama in 2010, it was 4.68 percent.

The verdict: For most Americans, taxes were lowered through the stimulus package passed in 2009 and extended to 2010, and they were also lowered in the tax compromise between Obama and Republicans. Current rates are at historic lows compared with ones from 1955 â?? when the numbers started being tracked â?? through 2007."

http://www.rgj.com/article/20110421/NEWS20/110421053/Fact-checker-taxes-lower-under-Obama-than-under-Reagan-Clinton-

The problem has been out of control spending. Of course California is a mess. ANYTIME you have one party rule for an extended period of time it’s a mess. ANYTIME you have a system like ours where both sides are big government it’s a mess. Why do you think things sucked ass with Bush and the Republicans in power and then sucked ass with Obama and the Democrats in power? Cause it’s all big government spending and ponies. You want to cherry pick one state? You know red states are soaking up quite a bit of federal dollars themselves right?

Republican counties eating up food stamp growth: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

8 of the ten states who are MOST tax dependent are conservative states. We can cherrypick all day. I’m not fighting blue vs. red all night long. I’ll fight blue tooth and nail every bit as much as I’ll fight red radicals. Of course Liberalism doesn’t work. Neither does the brand of Conservative your party has been throwing out the past 30 years.

But you know the truth and you know the crux of the matter. Romney wins and you don’t make the thread. Romney wins and the national debt doesn’t bother you. You don’t bristle if we go to war with Iran while cutting taxes. You don’t bat an eyelash if we have a stimulus package Republicans like a bit. You don’t get mad when Romney keeps part of Obamacare. You won’t be upset if Romney keeps the Patriot Act or raises the debt ceiling. Stimulus checks from GWB? No big deal man. Cut taxes increase spending? No big deal, just as long as the guy doing it has the magic Republican on the chest. Hell you already started that with we got an ambassador killed. You were already prepared to defend Romney for whatever he did. The problem was no one wanted your boys back in. We haven’t quite forgotten how bad you guys were. 4 more years of Obama and the country will give you guys another chance again. If you govern as you have been it will be complete crap all over again. But hey, you can DEFEND THAT SHIT.

But you STILL want to ignore how fucked up your party has been. You want so bad to change the nature of this argument to look at how bad Obama is. You really want him to be my boy. You want all this to be true so bad, you keep getting in here hoping to change it. Because you can fight against Obama. You can point out what he’s screwed up. You’ve been conditioned to fight that battle and defend your side. But I’m not playing on their team. I’m not playing on your team. I’m saying your both a bunch of hypocritical lying teams who constantly say one thing and do another.

[ZEB]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey H factor why don’t you ask Max who posts right here on this site how good the liberals in California have done.

Go ahead talk to someone who lives in a state where the left has controlled the state house term after term with no conservatives to get in the way.

ASK HIM…GO AHEAD.[/quote]

I thought Arnold fixed everything[/quote]

Arnold is a liberal block head who happens to be a republican…unfortunately.

[ZEB]

[quote]H factor wrote:

God are you that blind: "The average income tax rate under Reagan in 1983 was 11.06 percent. Under Clinton in 1992, it was 9.18 percent. And under Obama in 2010, it was 4.68 percent.[/quote]

LOL…you knitwit. Not one single figure you posted is correct - Thanks for the laugh though.

The verdict: For most Americans, taxes were lowered through the stimulus package passed in 2009 and extended to 2010, and they were also lowered in the tax compromise between Obama and Republicans. Current rates are at historic lows compared with ones from 1955 â?? when the numbers started being tracked â?? through 2007.

Ha ha the stimulous package…LOL You mean the gobblegook of handouts for unions and Obama supporters which did…NOTHING!

The problem has been out of control spending.

Democrats controlled three branches of government but how about that they couldn’t control spending…Must be George Bush’s fault!

LOL

Of course California is a mess. ANYTIME you have one party rule for an extended period of time it’s a mess.

Care to make a wager on that little lie you just told?

There are several states that have had republican Governors and state legistlatures for many terms and their states are in great shape. Want me to name some? Go google it. It might clear your head and do you some good,

Whereas staes run by liberals for decades are a mess. California is the worst by New York is right up there as well.

Democrats spend spend spend…other peoples money. That’s all they know how to do.

[quote]ANYTIME you have a system like ours where both sides are big government it’s a mess. Why do you think things sucked ass with Bush and the Republicans in power and then sucked ass with Obama and the Democrats in power? Cause it’s all big government spending and ponies. You want to cherry pick one state? You know red states are soaking up quite a bit of federal dollars themselves right?

Of course Liberalism doesn’t work.

Feel better now? The truth will set you free. Obama is a failure! And will fail again for four more years.

Neither does the brand of Conservative your party has been throwing out the past 30 years.

Yet, the most successful states have been run by conservative republican Governors - Must be a coinceidence huh> LOL

Also…

Clinton raised taxes so the top rate was 39% and Obama wants to follow this in the middle of the weakest recovery in history!

As for Reagan

To combat recession, Reagan aggressively cut income taxes from 70% to 28%

How President Reagan Ended the 1980s Recession

[quote]But you STILL want to ignore how fucked up your party has been. You want so bad to change the nature of this argument to look at how bad Obama is. You really want him to be my boy. You want all this to be true so bad, you keep getting in here hoping to change it. Because you can fight against Obama. You can point out what he’s screwed up. You’ve been conditioned to fight that battle and defend your side. But I’m not playing on their team. I’m not playing on your team. I’m saying your both a bunch of hypocritical lying teams who constantly say one thing and do another.
[/quote]

Nice way to try to escape the fact that Obama is naive left wing disease on the economy. You pretend to be in the middle, but you are pro Obama. One does not spend post after post attacking the republican party almost exclusively without being pro Obama. But nice try…and I don’t blame you for hiding the fact that you voted for him. In two years time almost no one will admit that they voted for him. You’ll see…you’ll see…

By the way still waiting to see Obama’s great list of accomplishments. Where are they? Why did he deserve reelection again? Oh yeah…he went on Jon Stewart and impressed all the kiddies. He’s a joke. But he did get Osama Bin Laden. Screwed up the economy but he did get Osama Bin Laden.

Do you understand the mess that California is in? Wait about 3-4 years and the US will be in the same boat.

When we reelected that arrogant left winger we took a turn that will take decades to recover from.

Wanna bet?

[H_factor]

No you win Zeb. You’ve reached the point of no return. You can tell that point when people put actual facts out for you to see and you completely ignore them or call them false. See some party cheerleaders will slow down when they see a fact that completely contradicts what they have been saying. They will say I did not know that or something to the effect. That first figure was a fact Zeb and you hand wave it away. Then you hand wave away another figure. You don’t even bother to try, you just say nah that ain’t right. That’s false bro. Trust me!

You got this one Zeb. Republicans rule and Democrats drool! Hand wave away anything that suggests otherwise. Let us pray to God the Republicans can take all three chambers back so they can save us from the big bad government and return liberty. They have proven time and time again they will do this. I’m with you buddy. Republicans for life! Go, go, go right wing go! Mine only sadness is I didn’t see the light before voting for Gary Johnson. Damn if only I could have quit my Libertarian ways in time we could have had this country back in shape in no time. Hell Lord knows Reagan would have cut that debt. Sure he didn’t do it in the 8 years he was in, but maybe if he just had these 4 he’d have got it done! He’d have wiped it out this time!

You want to get matching elephant tatoo’s?

[MaximusB]

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
I have the solution. We tell China to go fuck themselves and be done. That should knock out about 2/3rds of the debt. Seriously what are they going to do?

We’ll just tell them the difference has long been made up with their artificial devaluing of the yuan.

I will even pen the letter, it goes like this:
Dear Hu,
I know you think we owe you $12,000,000,000,000 or some such shit. Since you guys are a bunch of communistic, pig headed, human rights violating, currency cheating cock suckers, we have made a decision on how best to handle the debt situation.
Go fuck yourself. Take every yuan you think we owe you, and shove that imaginary bullshit strait up your ass. You ain’t getting shit and there is nothing you can do about it.
We don’t need your shitty plastic toys and we can make ipads anywhere. Apple sucks anyway, android is better, so you can shove Apple strait up your cornhole too.

I hope this does not hurt our diplomatic relationship, but if it does, we don’t give a fuck. We think your a bunch of piece of shit tyrants who would feed your citizens the worms off of dogshit if you thought you could get away with it.
Kind Regards,
Obama

If he did that, I might eek out some respect for the man…[/quote]

This was the boost I needed today, a good laugh, after I read a poll that 46% of Californians say they want to leave now. [/quote]

Your welcome!
I recommend you show them the door.[/quote]

The problem is they are the 46% with all the money.[/quote]

You have absolutely NO idea how bad things got here after the election.

The Dems now have a 2/3 super majority all both houses, plus the Dem Governor, they can literally pass a tax increase at any time (with no Republican opposition), and they can override a veto by the governor if he wants to stop it.

Blue Reign in California, causes financial refugees.

City of Los Angeles predicted to file for bankruptcy by the end of 2013, a $27 Billion unfunded pension liability, and a $260 Million deficit, and that’s for just the city of LA, not the county or state.

Be nice to my friends leaving here, now headed to all of your states. They are good people, chased out by massive taxation and regulation.

You want to see the first state to fall ? Look west my friends.

[Fletch1986]

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
I have the solution. We tell China to go fuck themselves and be done. That should knock out about 2/3rds of the debt. Seriously what are they going to do?

We’ll just tell them the difference has long been made up with their artificial devaluing of the yuan.

I will even pen the letter, it goes like this:
Dear Hu,
I know you think we owe you $12,000,000,000,000 or some such shit. Since you guys are a bunch of communistic, pig headed, human rights violating, currency cheating cock suckers, we have made a decision on how best to handle the debt situation.
Go fuck yourself. Take every yuan you think we owe you, and shove that imaginary bullshit strait up your ass. You ain’t getting shit and there is nothing you can do about it.
We don’t need your shitty plastic toys and we can make ipads anywhere. Apple sucks anyway, android is better, so you can shove Apple strait up your cornhole too.

I hope this does not hurt our diplomatic relationship, but if it does, we don’t give a fuck. We think your a bunch of piece of shit tyrants who would feed your citizens the worms off of dogshit if you thought you could get away with it.
Kind Regards,
Obama

If he did that, I might eek out some respect for the man…[/quote]

This was the boost I needed today, a good laugh, after I read a poll that 46% of Californians say they want to leave now. [/quote]

Your welcome!
I recommend you show them the door.[/quote]

The problem is they are the 46% with all the money.[/quote]

You have absolutely NO idea how bad things got here after the election.

The Dems now have a 2/3 super majority all both houses, plus the Dem Governor, they can literally pass a tax increase at any time (with no Republican opposition), and they can override a veto by the governor if he wants to stop it.

Blue Reign in California, causes financial refugees.

City of Los Angeles predicted to file for bankruptcy by the end of 2013, a $27 Billion unfunded pension liability, and a $260 Million deficit, and that’s for just the city of LA, not the county or state.

Be nice to my friends leaving here, now headed to all of your states. They are good people, chased out by massive taxation and regulation.

You want to see the first state to fall ? Look west my friends. [/quote]

A lot of them come here. I try to be nice to them, but they have some really wacky ideas from Hollywood and new ageism.

[ZEB]

H factor wrote:

Nice way to retreat.

You don’t like facts I gave them to you and you run from them.

1. The states where liberals have ruled for any length of time are in a fiscal mess. Whereas the states that have had long term conservative rule are in great shape. Can’t answer so you play the part of the ass clown.

2. Obama raised debt more than George Washington to Ronald Reagan and more than twice as much as GW Bush in half the time. You have no answer so you play the part of the ass clown

3. Ronald Reagan lowered taxes to their lowest point in modern times while closing loopholes. And he created 20 million new private sector jobs (20 million more than Obama). You have no answer so once again you play the part of the ass clown.

4. Other than killing Osama Bin Laden Obama has no accomplishments in his first term–ZIP. You have no answer so…you know the rest.

[ZEB]

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
I have the solution. We tell China to go fuck themselves and be done. That should knock out about 2/3rds of the debt. Seriously what are they going to do?

We’ll just tell them the difference has long been made up with their artificial devaluing of the yuan.

I will even pen the letter, it goes like this:
Dear Hu,
I know you think we owe you $12,000,000,000,000 or some such shit. Since you guys are a bunch of communistic, pig headed, human rights violating, currency cheating cock suckers, we have made a decision on how best to handle the debt situation.
Go fuck yourself. Take every yuan you think we owe you, and shove that imaginary bullshit strait up your ass. You ain’t getting shit and there is nothing you can do about it.
We don’t need your shitty plastic toys and we can make ipads anywhere. Apple sucks anyway, android is better, so you can shove Apple strait up your cornhole too.

I hope this does not hurt our diplomatic relationship, but if it does, we don’t give a fuck. We think your a bunch of piece of shit tyrants who would feed your citizens the worms off of dogshit if you thought you could get away with it.
Kind Regards,
Obama

If he did that, I might eek out some respect for the man…[/quote]

This was the boost I needed today, a good laugh, after I read a poll that 46% of Californians say they want to leave now. [/quote]

Your welcome!
I recommend you show them the door.[/quote]

The problem is they are the 46% with all the money.[/quote]

You have absolutely NO idea how bad things got here after the election.

The Dems now have a 2/3 super majority all both houses, plus the Dem Governor, they can literally pass a tax increase at any time (with no Republican opposition), and they can override a veto by the governor if he wants to stop it.

Blue Reign in California, causes financial refugees.

City of Los Angeles predicted to file for bankruptcy by the end of 2013, a $27 Billion unfunded pension liability, and a $260 Million deficit, and that’s for just the city of LA, not the county or state.

Be nice to my friends leaving here, now headed to all of your states. They are good people, chased out by massive taxation and regulation.

You want to see the first state to fall ? Look west my friends. [/quote]

As I was saying ^

[H_factor]

You know I figured a google site search would bring up a long time of rage from Zeb and the national debt. He’s been a member for a long time and has a lot of posts so I wanted to see how often he really got angry about the debt.

–Zeb: In a Bush raises debt ceiling thread from 2006: Doesn’t get mad. Repeats a quote from someone else that the GOP is not the party of big spenders. National debt no big deal in 2006 under GWB.

– Does this sound familar Zeb, but reversed: “We are called “Cheerleaders” because we back the President. Even though many of us (including me) have disagreed with GW on some major issues. However, I have not yet heard anyone on the left (on this forum) give GW credit for anything. According to them he is a buffoon who is evil.”

Sounds like you talking Obama!

–Zeb: I can honestly say I have never “hated” a President."? While Bush defending.

Zeb: “In fact, I think it’s healthy to have two opposing sides, such as the two party system…”

So you’re glad the left has a voice apparently in 05. Also while Bush defending.

–Zeb on people questioning Bush: “As a military man (as you say you are) you should know better than to question your commander and chief! All you do by this constant whine is harm morale…”

It’s a huge deal when people questioned Bush back then. No big deal to question Obama as commander.

–“President Bush can do no right with you and your ilk. You are a hater…just admit it.”

Substitute Obama for Bush.

In fact I saw countless threads you participated in where the national debt was mentioned as a problem while President Bush was in office and I didn’?t see you say one thing! Now why is that Zeb? You flat ignored the question many times when directly asked about it even!

You’re the biggest GOP nuthugger around is all I was ever trying to point out. You want to change the subject to California or Reagan or anything else. You want to paint me as an Obama fan. Would you like my username on another site to see what I have to say to lefties who are like you? Cause I’m the exact same. And YOU are exactly what you used to despise about the other side. If Bush was still in office and did exactly what Obama has you’d defend him with every last breath. I think that’s pretty well proven by the above.

[ZEB]

[quote]H factor wrote:
You know I figured a google site search would bring up a long time of rage from Zeb and the national debt. He’s been a member for a long time and has a lot of posts so I wanted to see how often he really got angry about the debt.

–Zeb: In a Bush raises debt ceiling thread from 2006: Doesn’t get mad. Repeats a quote from someone else that the GOP is not the party of big spenders. National debt no big deal in 2006 under GWB.

– Does this sound familar Zeb, but reversed: “We are called “Cheerleaders” because we back the President. Even though many of us (including me) have disagreed with GW on some major issues. However, I have not yet heard anyone on the left (on this forum) give GW credit for anything. According to them he is a buffoon who is evil.”

Sounds like you talking Obama!

–Zeb: I can honestly say I have never “hated” a President."? While Bush defending.

Zeb: “In fact, I think it’s healthy to have two opposing sides, such as the two party system…”

So you’re glad the left has a voice apparently in 05. Also while Bush defending.

–Zeb on people questioning Bush: “As a military man (as you say you are) you should know better than to question your commander and chief! All you do by this constant whine is harm morale…”

It’s a huge deal when people questioned Bush back then. No big deal to question Obama as commander.

–“President Bush can do no right with you and your ilk. You are a hater…just admit it.”

Substitute Obama for Bush.

In fact I saw countless threads you participated in where the national debt was mentioned as a problem while President Bush was in office and I didn’?t see you say one thing! Now why is that Zeb? You flat ignored the question many times when directly asked about it even!

You’re the biggest GOP nuthugger around is all I was ever trying to point out. You want to change the subject to California or Reagan or anything else. You want to paint me as an Obama fan. Would you like my username on another site to see what I have to say to lefties who are like you? Cause I’m the exact same. And YOU are exactly what you used to despise about the other side. If Bush was still in office and did exactly what Obama has you’d defend him with every last breath. I think that’s pretty well proven by the above.
[/quote]

Your post is creepy for many reasons. First of which is that you have far too much time on your hands to dedicate to me, someone that you don’t even know. And this seems far, far too important to you. Far too important that is IF you have anything at all going on in your life.

Anyway…

I do not recall stating any of what you’ve posted. That is not to say that I didn’t become more aware of the debt once it hit historical levels under Obama. After all when one President raised the debt more than from George Washington to Ronald Reagan that’s something of note isn’t it? Oh that’s right it’s not really a bad thing unless George Bush did it. I wonder why people like Bush even dedicate their lives to public life with knit wits like you around. My gosh you are an odd one.

All that aside why don’t you go back and quote the exact dates, times and names of the various threads so I can take a look myself. If you actually did go back to read my many posts you are a sick little puppy. But since you obviously have the time, do it right!

I’ll wait your very creepy reply.

I wonder what people like you did before there was an Internet?

Stalk mostly I imagine…

[sufiandy]

[quote]H factor wrote:
You know I figured a google site search would bring up a long time of rage from Zeb and the national debt. He’s been a member for a long time and has a lot of posts so I wanted to see how often he really got angry about the debt.

–Zeb: In a Bush raises debt ceiling thread from 2006: Doesn’t get mad. Repeats a quote from someone else that the GOP is not the party of big spenders. National debt no big deal in 2006 under GWB.

– Does this sound familar Zeb, but reversed: “We are called “Cheerleaders” because we back the President. Even though many of us (including me) have disagreed with GW on some major issues. However, I have not yet heard anyone on the left (on this forum) give GW credit for anything. According to them he is a buffoon who is evil.”

Sounds like you talking Obama!

–Zeb: I can honestly say I have never “hated” a President."? While Bush defending.

Zeb: “In fact, I think it’s healthy to have two opposing sides, such as the two party system…”

So you’re glad the left has a voice apparently in 05. Also while Bush defending.

–Zeb on people questioning Bush: “As a military man (as you say you are) you should know better than to question your commander and chief! All you do by this constant whine is harm morale…”

It’s a huge deal when people questioned Bush back then. No big deal to question Obama as commander.

–“President Bush can do no right with you and your ilk. You are a hater…just admit it.”

Substitute Obama for Bush.

In fact I saw countless threads you participated in where the national debt was mentioned as a problem while President Bush was in office and I didn’?t see you say one thing! Now why is that Zeb? You flat ignored the question many times when directly asked about it even!

You’re the biggest GOP nuthugger around is all I was ever trying to point out. You want to change the subject to California or Reagan or anything else. You want to paint me as an Obama fan. Would you like my username on another site to see what I have to say to lefties who are like you? Cause I’m the exact same. And YOU are exactly what you used to despise about the other side. If Bush was still in office and did exactly what Obama has you’d defend him with every last breath. I think that’s pretty well proven by the above.
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I forgot to do this before the election but it doesn’t matter now that Obama won. I wanted to start a thread asking what minimum things the next president had to do in order to succeed, holding Obama and Romney to the same standard.

My guess is that if Romney failed to meet those requirements then Zeb would still vote for him in 2016, and I could have referred back to that thread from 4 years ago pointing out Romney failed in Zebs own words.

[ZEB]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
You know I figured a google site search would bring up a long time of rage from Zeb and the national debt. He’s been a member for a long time and has a lot of posts so I wanted to see how often he really got angry about the debt.

–Zeb: In a Bush raises debt ceiling thread from 2006: Doesn’t get mad. Repeats a quote from someone else that the GOP is not the party of big spenders. National debt no big deal in 2006 under GWB.

– Does this sound familar Zeb, but reversed: “We are called “Cheerleaders” because we back the President. Even though many of us (including me) have disagreed with GW on some major issues. However, I have not yet heard anyone on the left (on this forum) give GW credit for anything. According to them he is a buffoon who is evil.”

Sounds like you talking Obama!

–Zeb: I can honestly say I have never “hated” a President."? While Bush defending.

Zeb: “In fact, I think it’s healthy to have two opposing sides, such as the two party system…”

So you’re glad the left has a voice apparently in 05. Also while Bush defending.

–Zeb on people questioning Bush: “As a military man (as you say you are) you should know better than to question your commander and chief! All you do by this constant whine is harm morale…”

It’s a huge deal when people questioned Bush back then. No big deal to question Obama as commander.

–“President Bush can do no right with you and your ilk. You are a hater…just admit it.”

Substitute Obama for Bush.

In fact I saw countless threads you participated in where the national debt was mentioned as a problem while President Bush was in office and I didn’?t see you say one thing! Now why is that Zeb? You flat ignored the question many times when directly asked about it even!

You’re the biggest GOP nuthugger around is all I was ever trying to point out. You want to change the subject to California or Reagan or anything else. You want to paint me as an Obama fan. Would you like my username on another site to see what I have to say to lefties who are like you? Cause I’m the exact same. And YOU are exactly what you used to despise about the other side. If Bush was still in office and did exactly what Obama has you’d defend him with every last breath. I think that’s pretty well proven by the above.
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I forgot to do this before the election but it doesn’t matter now that Obama won. I wanted to start a thread asking what minimum things the next president had to do in order to succeed, holding Obama and Romney to the same standard.

My guess is that if Romney failed to meet those requirements then Zeb would still vote for him in 2016, and I could have referred back to that thread from 4 years ago pointing out Romney failed in Zebs own words.[/quote]

Wow…that would have been so clever (eye roll).

Guess what douche bag, Obama had no success during his first term and knuckle heads like you still voted for him anyway!

My gosh if you are not Pittbull then he has a twin in here.

[H_factor]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Your post is creepy for many reasons. First of which is that you have far too much time on your hands to dedicate to me, someone that you don’t even know. And this seems far, far too important to you. Far too important that is IF you have anything at all going on in your life.

Anyway…

I do not recall stating any of what you’ve posted. That is not to say that I didn’t become more aware of the debt once it hit historical levels under Obama. After all when one President raised the debt more than from George Washington to Ronald Reagan that’s something of note isn’t it? Oh that’s right it’s not really a bad thing unless George Bush did it. I wonder why people like Bush even dedicate their lives to public life with knit wits like you around. My gosh you are an odd one.

All that aside why don’t you go back and quote the exact dates, times and names of the various threads so I can take a look myself. If you actually did go back to read my many posts you are a sick little puppy. But since you obviously have the time, do it right!

I’ll wait your very creepy reply.

I wonder what people like you did before there was an Internet?

Stalk mostly I imagine…

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Google site search. Read through a few old threads. Took maybe 10 minutes. You have had a lot of time on your hands for a long time apparently. You defended Bush on this site for almost 8 full years. You might not remember posting those, but they are direct quotes from you. A man with over 18 THOUSAND posts is talking about someone else having too much time and being creepy. LMFAO. I just get a kick out of calling people’s political bullshit out. It’s really fun to do with the left as they apologize for what Obama has done after criticizing Bush.

It’s interesting that instead of debate what’s posted you decide to attack me. You know absolutely positively how stupid what I quoted makes you look, so you switch tactics and decide better call this guy creepy or something.

I wonder what people like you did before 18,000 posts of Republican apologizing.

[H_factor]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I forgot to do this before the election but it doesn’t matter now that Obama won. I wanted to start a thread asking what minimum things the next president had to do in order to succeed, holding Obama and Romney to the same standard.

My guess is that if Romney failed to meet those requirements then Zeb would still vote for him in 2016, and I could have referred back to that thread from 4 years ago pointing out Romney failed in Zebs own words.[/quote]

I suppose he would do what he did with mine. Attack you and when he’s caught red handed say “I didn’t say that!”

Zeb didn’t give two shits about the debt in 04 or 05 or 06. He was ready to defend his side at all costs. Now he’s ready to attack the other side until his team gets the power back. I’ve pointed that out from this thread about nothing from the get go.

[sufiandy]

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I forgot to do this before the election but it doesn’t matter now that Obama won. I wanted to start a thread asking what minimum things the next president had to do in order to succeed, holding Obama and Romney to the same standard.

My guess is that if Romney failed to meet those requirements then Zeb would still vote for him in 2016, and I could have referred back to that thread from 4 years ago pointing out Romney failed in Zebs own words.[/quote]

I suppose he would do what he did with mine. Attack you and when he’s caught red handed say “I didn’t say that!”
[/quote]

I’ve heard hes old, so maybe he just can’t remember anymore.

[ZEB]

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Your post is creepy for many reasons. First of which is that you have far too much time on your hands to dedicate to me, someone that you don’t even know. And this seems far, far too important to you. Far too important that is IF you have anything at all going on in your life.

Anyway…

I do not recall stating any of what you’ve posted. That is not to say that I didn’t become more aware of the debt once it hit historical levels under Obama. After all when one President raised the debt more than from George Washington to Ronald Reagan that’s something of note isn’t it? Oh that’s right it’s not really a bad thing unless George Bush did it. I wonder why people like Bush even dedicate their lives to public life with knit wits like you around. My gosh you are an odd one.

All that aside why don’t you go back and quote the exact dates, times and names of the various threads so I can take a look myself. If you actually did go back to read my many posts you are a sick little puppy. But since you obviously have the time, do it right!

I’ll wait your very creepy reply.

I wonder what people like you did before there was an Internet?

Stalk mostly I imagine…

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Google site search. Read through a few old threads. Took maybe 10 minutes. You have had a lot of time on your hands for a long time apparently.[/quote]

Not nearly as much as you apparently. Hunting through old posts of another poster is absolutely creepy. And I’m surprised you have that much time since you seem to be popping up on just about every thread on PWI lately spreading your libertarian drool…You’re a funny, yet creepy little man.

You defended Bush on this site for almost 8 full years.

Did I? did you go back and look at every thread where the topic was George Bush and where I commented? It seems you have much work ahead of you because I actually disagreed with Bush on a few things. Although I will say he was a far, far better President than Obama. You see Bush actually had accomplishments whereas (other than killing Bin Laden) we’re still waiting for Obamawitz to do something right.

You might not remember posting those, but they are direct quotes from you.

Prove it stalker…you have more work to do don’t you? Now run along and look at every one of my posts regarding GW Bush. I bet you can’t you do it. Come on go for it you don’t have anything better to do we both know that.

A man with over 18 THOUSAND posts is talking about someone else having too much time and being creepy. LMFAO.

Creepy is not posting on a regular basis on a site that you enjoy. Creepy is taking the time, a great deal of time, to go back several years and look up someone’s post whom you disagree with. You are the very definition of creepy.

By the way my posts here are over a period of almost 10 years knit wit. Seems that stalking is not the only thing you’re not good at, math is also a weakness I see.

I just get a kick out of calling people’s political bullshit out.

Then maybe you should take a good look at your own little man. You voted for a guy who had no chance of winning. Did that make you feel all wonderful inside? You took a stand! Ooooo Ahhhhh what a guy LOL. Tell me now how much did it help? About as much as stalking me will help you in life—ZIP!

It’s interesting that instead of debate what’s posted you decide to attack me.

Actually you decided to attack me little man. But I’m used to the typical Internet cellar dwellers doing that. Do you still live in Mommy and Daddy’s basement? Are they sick of you yet? Don’t believe them when they say that they still love you…they’re just saying that so you won’t do something stupid. They would actually like you to get your own place. And secretly when you’re not around they wonder what they did wrong and why you turned out the way you did. Makes me sad

LOL

You know absolutely positively how stupid what I quoted makes you look, so you switch tactics and decide better call this guy creepy or something.

I have to tell you from the bottom of my heart, all kidding aside if you actually have the time to look up all of my posts regarding George Bush you have far more problems than me attacking you on any political point. I would suggest first seeing a councilor. There is hope for people like you seriously. You have the rest of your life to pull this whole thing back and you should consider it.

Also, I’m still waiting for you to point out all of those republican states that have been run by conservatives for a long period of time that are in the kind of financial trouble that California is in, or for that matter the US.

Can’t do it can you stalker?

You are a creepy little man- Now run along there must be some sort of Ron Paul rally you can attend. Isn’t he gearing up for a 75th run for President? LMAO!

Ron Paul 2016!

[ZEB]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I forgot to do this before the election but it doesn’t matter now that Obama won. I wanted to start a thread asking what minimum things the next president had to do in order to succeed, holding Obama and Romney to the same standard.

My guess is that if Romney failed to meet those requirements then Zeb would still vote for him in 2016, and I could have referred back to that thread from 4 years ago pointing out Romney failed in Zebs own words.[/quote]

I suppose he would do what he did with mine. Attack you and when he’s caught red handed say “I didn’t say that!”
[/quote]

I’ve heard hes old, so maybe he just can’t remember anymore.[/quote]

Oh don’t listen to rumors. I heard you were semi-retarded and I never believed it. Never believed it that is until I started reading your posts. Honestly, if you are not being taken care of by someone I will never post here again. Come on prove that you are actually a functioning adult under no supervision.

I’ll be waiting for the proof…