If this is true then you would get the same thing with test prop though (since most probably use the same conc of solvents with prop)…I’ve never heard of Prop cough.
Has anyone ever experienced the same effects from a higher quality product, ie pharmacy grade? That might show that the concentration has little to do with it compared to everyone’s experience with homebrew or UG labs which wouldn’t be made as precise or cleanly.
Either that or I misread something along the way. Apologies in advance if that’s the case, pretty sleepy.
[quote]jMill2 wrote:
[quote]smith machine wrote:
I only get this type of cough with tren and tren only and its severe for me (i am taking just under 600mg/day which is a higher dose so probably makes it worse).[/quote]
Did you mean 600mg/week?[/quote]
My bad sorry yes. Per week
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
[quote]GGlife wrote:
BBB, im interested to know your opinion on why your IV inject resulted in less Tren cough than you have experienced in past IM injections. Surely if direct irritation of lung tissue/embolism effects were responsible for the cough, an IV inject should produce the worst cough. Then again, you did only inject 0.5mL
Any ideas?[/quote]
I believe the ‘tren’ cough is actually primarilly caused by mis-injecting a relatively large (greater than 1ml) volume of oil-based prep into the venous system.
IF tren is included in that oil mis-inject, then it will make the symptoms worse, by warrant of trens’ probable lung tissue irritant properties.
BUT a large enough amount of non-tren AAS should still induce the cough.
So yes, it was the fact that I only injected 0.5ml into my venous system that meant I got only a fraction of the symptoms IMO. Even though it was tren, that low volume by itself was insufficient to induce the cough. Had there been 0.5ml tren and 0.5ml test, the results might have been slightly different. Had the shot been 1ml of test only, then the results would likely have been the same as I experienced. Had the shot been 1ml of tren only, then I suspect I might have triggered a full-blown cough.
I could be wrong. Good science is about good observation and my observation skills are only so-so.
BBB[/quote]
I did 1.3cc ed last cycle without tren and didnt get any cough till I started using the tren with it.
Also I have never had any cough when frontloading test/eq on different days (3ccs+).
Its definetly just the tren for me.
In 4 tren cycles only had it once.Uncontrollable cough lasting about 1min but feels like ur lungs are burning for the next 4 or 5 mins…terrible experience.Also just had this happen with acetate and never enathanate.
1 time and it was a botched injectiona little bit of blood came thru the injection site.
NOT VERY FUN
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
I believe the ‘tren’ cough is actually primarilly caused by mis-injecting a relatively large (greater than 1ml) volume of oil-based prep into the venous system.[/quote]
In the past I’ve taken the trouble (not usually, but a few times) to pause a planned 1 mL injection at about the 1/3 mL point to see if the cough would ensue, on the principle that if so, then I’d be glad I’d paused at that point.
I’ve gotten the cough from as small a volume as that.
But only from trenbolone.
I do not at all think it is from even the 1/3 mL of oil being injected into a vein, because nothing aspirated. My guess it comes from very tiny amounts working its way through a small blood vessel that was punctured on the way in.
As an experiment not to try: Try putting some trenbolone acetate on the scrotum – it will illustrate how irritating it can be to some tissues.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
As an experiment not to try: Try putting some trenbolone acetate on the scrotum – it will illustrate how irritating it can be to some tissues.[/quote]
Haha, I guess we are both nutter experamentalists in our own way 
Thanks for the feedback; useful stuff.
BBB
Oh, I never did that as a deliberate experiment. Knowledge of what happens resulted from scratching the balls while having a trace of trenbolone-containing oil on the hand.
[quote]smith machine wrote:
Intresting thread
I only get this type of cough with tren and tren only and its severe for me (i am taking just under 600mg/day which is a higher dose so probably makes it worse).
First I get light headed during injection almost straight away so I know its coming then the cough cripples me usually for about 3 minutes after injection.
No other aas or combination of aas’s give me this sort of reaction.
I when I inject and the needle goes through a blood vessel/vein (not aspirate blood but when I do pierce through a blood vessel pushing through) sometimes I get the cough and sometimes i dont.
When I dont pierce a blood vessel and simply go straight into just muscle…i never get the cough. Never.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the type of blood vessel/vein we push through. I suspect it might cause it seems to with me but have no idea why and cant explain the theory except i dont get it every time i go through a blood vessel/vain but only get it when I push through one of these.
Strange. It has me beat.
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600mgs a day, really? Thanks for the honesty, what kind of effects have you had on that type of dose, never known anyone who came close to it, what about side effects?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
As an experiment not to try: Try putting some trenbolone acetate on the scrotum – it will illustrate how irritating it can be to some tissues.[/quote]
Found in Chapter 7 of Bill Robert’s Big Book of Steroid Pranks.
Well, actually the entry on that one is, for those fearing injections, recommending scrotal transdermal delivery of trenbolone.
For the most humor, it’s best to advise that the pain goes away after the first hour.
[quote]joeblow wrote:
600mgs a day, really? Thanks for the honesty, what kind of effects have you had on that type of dose, never known anyone who came close to it, what about side effects?
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Sorry for the confusion that was per week, ill edit my post to fix it up.
[quote]Chris Eales wrote:
In 4 tren cycles only had it once.Uncontrollable cough lasting about 1min but feels like ur lungs are burning for the next 4 or 5 mins…terrible experience.Also just had this happen with acetate and never enathanate.
1 time and it was a botched injectiona little bit of blood came thru the injection site.
NOT VERY FUN[/quote]
What is the best way to avoid this? Sometimes I get blood and some times not. I use a 1" 27 gauge needle in my quad
I have never found a way to bring the chance to zero. It does strongly seem to me that higher mg/mL preparations are more prone to the problem. I use 50 mg/mL, with no benzyl alcohol or benzyl benzoate, partly for this reason. As a rough guess my incidence rate of tren cough, when doing this, is not more than perhaps 2% of injections.
I have found no ryme or reason to tren cough. It happens to me once in a while and it really sucks. If I didn’t expect it I would think something was seriously wrong. But I really have absolutly no clue what causes it, it happens with no other drug?
I now think I have a strong hypothesis on tren cough. I have experience significant tren cough that seems to scale with the volume of the injection (i.e., I was completely taken out by a 3-cc shot, but 2 or 1 cc was much less). I just got tren cough with Primobolan. The only thing in common is this: trenbolone acetate and methenolone acetate. It is my strong suspicion that it is the acetate ester that causes tren cough. For what it is worth, loading in the tren/primo first in the syringe and then something else on top of it seems to mitigate the cough. Also, injecting slowly helps.
Probably not per se the acetate ester, but the relatively low partition coefficient (ratio of water solubility to oil solubility, which is why the half-life is relatively short) means that a steroid acetate is able to deliver higher free levels for any amount that directly gets into the bloodsteam than would be the case with a longer chain ester.
Acetate believe it or not is not the shortest chain ester, though it’s the shortest you’re ever the slightest bit likely to see. (The formate ester is shorter yet, as a completely unnecessary trivial fact.)
So the Tren cough, or Acetate cough as some are proposing, has nothing to do with the PED acting on the beta 2 receptors?
What would be the evidence for that?
Evidence against it is the extremely short duration of action.
My assumption is that it is from trenbolone being an irritant to some tissues. Applying a bit of a trenbolone preparation to the scrotum will illustrate this fact quite sharply.
The type of irritation seems to be like that of capsaicin.