We Need Another Christianity Thread

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:<<< One of the definitions of faith is the belief in something without any proof. >>>[/quote]I will be helping Ben demonstrate that that’s exactly what you do with regard to every single thing you and he and every other unbeliever claim to believe.
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Sure, there is very little we know with absolute certainty. But that’s not anywhere near the same type of “faith” you’re talking about with respect to religion.

That’s why I think the best definition of faith is: Believing in something you have no good reason to.

We can’t know with absolute certainty that Pluto’s orbit period is 248 years. But based on the evidence we have, it’s a reasonable thing to believe in.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:<<< One of the definitions of faith is the belief in something without any proof. >>>[/quote]I will be helping Ben demonstrate that that’s exactly what you do with regard to every single thing you and he and every other unbeliever claim to believe.
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Meh. Go for it.

While I find these conversations amusing, they never really change anything.

Besides, god likes me better than you.

:stuck_out_tongue:

(it’s a joke people)

I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem.

[quote]kjmont wrote:
I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem. [/quote]

You really didn’t think this post out through before your wrote it.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:<<< One of the definitions of faith is the belief in something without any proof. >>>[/quote]I will be helping Ben demonstrate that that’s exactly what you do with regard to every single thing you and he and every other unbeliever claim to believe.
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And it’s going to be very tedious, I’m sure. Couldn’t you just provide a link, seeing as how you’ve surely made this point before?

Let me guess, unbelief requires more faith than belief. If that’s what you’re arguing, then I agree with that.

The problem is, and always will be, proving that the bible is the word of God. Incidentally, if you somehow (I almost said miraculously, haha) convince me that the bible IS IN FACT the word of God… I will lose all will to live.

So it’s a win-win, good buddy. All you have to do is prove that the bible contains the unadulterated word of the Almighty. If you’re not too busy.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:
I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem. [/quote]

You really didn’t think this post out through before your wrote it.

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I half did to be honest, I’m sure there’s a bunch of things that can be ripped apart. But it gets old about the whole X-religion vs y-religion vs atheism. Yeah there’s holes in christian stories, so what? Man wrote them; man fucks everything up. Doesn’t mean there is no God.

[quote]kjmont wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:
I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem. [/quote]

You really didn’t think this post out through before your wrote it.

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I half did to be honest, I’m sure there’s a bunch of things that can be ripped apart. But it gets old about the whole X-religion vs y-religion vs atheism. Yeah there’s holes in christian stories, so what? Man wrote them; man fucks everything up. Doesn’t mean there is no God.[/quote]

I thought the bible was supposed to be the direct word of god.

Are you implying a scrivener’s error?

[quote]kjmont wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:
I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem. [/quote]

You really didn’t think this post out through before your wrote it.

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I half did to be honest, I’m sure there’s a bunch of things that can be ripped apart. But it gets old about the whole X-religion vs y-religion vs atheism. Yeah there’s holes in christian stories, so what? Man wrote them; man fucks everything up. Doesn’t mean there is no God.[/quote]

I don’t care… until it effects me.

You have to understand someone’s religious beliefs effects their whole world view.

People have legislated parts of their beliefs into law which effects everyone.

The teaching of creationism in school.

The Don’t ask Don’t tell policy was a product of Evangelical Christians.

3 hours away from my house 2 girls were slaughtered by their Muslim parents for dressing inappropriately (their religious belief system is to be blamed).

If people’s religious beliefs didn’t have such a huge impact on their life decisions, most of these debates would rarely take place.

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:
I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem. [/quote]

You really didn’t think this post out through before your wrote it.

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I half did to be honest, I’m sure there’s a bunch of things that can be ripped apart. But it gets old about the whole X-religion vs y-religion vs atheism. Yeah there’s holes in christian stories, so what? Man wrote them; man fucks everything up. Doesn’t mean there is no God.[/quote]

I thought the bible was supposed to be the direct word of god.

Are you implying a scrivener’s error?[/quote]

I’m saying it is the word of God to man, who wrote it down and probably held back or screwed up more than a few things in the process.

But that’s just my opinion, I expect to get flamed so no hard feelings when it happens lol

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
It is amazing, Sloth, that despite the brevity of my post you still manage to put words in my mouth.[/quote]

I didn’t, and need not put words in your mouth. All I had to do was quote you.

You sure do mean them. Haven’t doubted that all.

But you did make a moral judgment…I don’t even think most of your atheist comrades (well, I guess you’re a ‘deist’) would deny that your op is full of moral indignation. Just stop with the denial already. Now, when this was pointed out, you admit moral consideration of god(s) character really doesn’t serve a point in the consideration of the Christian God. And that would be in whatever way you would like to present him, actually. Or, any gods, for that matter.

A god, or gods, that bend the forces of nature to his/their will is the moral authority of the universe, after all. And, not you.

Further, you had until this point, dogmatically told us what god(s) wouldn’t do. How they wouldn’t act, interfere (if at all), and or reveal themselves. You’ve implied that god(s) would have to do these things in a way which bend to you, and not to their own divine selves. Which doesn’t makes sense, considering your flirtation with the idea of a being whose will subjugates even the forces of nature. Now you soften, a bit, in light of my criticism

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And “could” God suddenly decide to interfere after letting us mind our own business for ages? Sure.

“Could” he choose a roundabout illogical way to do it, for some mysterious reason? Sure.[/quote]

“Sure.” So then, you haven’t offered anything to debate. You simply gave your morally charged condemnation of the Christian point-of-you, as seen by you.

Now, why are you still using words like ‘illogical,’ as a might-as-well-be infinitely ignorant mortal, to prejudge the ends of a being who bends forces of nature–including time–to his will? Something that sees all things, all times, all beginnings, and all ends? You again, claiming to know nothing (yet also contradicting yourself) of this will, and to the depth of knowledge of all time, claim to know what such a being must logically conclude and act on. And in what manner. Or, at the least, what would be illogical for this being. In many ways you have claimed to know your unknowable will, by limiting it to your very limited will and view. And this is why ‘sure’ has entered into the possible character of your nature-bending will/god.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:
I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem. [/quote]

You really didn’t think this post out through before your wrote it.

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I half did to be honest, I’m sure there’s a bunch of things that can be ripped apart. But it gets old about the whole X-religion vs y-religion vs atheism. Yeah there’s holes in christian stories, so what? Man wrote them; man fucks everything up. Doesn’t mean there is no God.[/quote]

I don’t care… until it effects me.

You have to understand someone’s religious beliefs effects their whole world view.

People have legislated parts of their beliefs into law which effects everyone.

The teaching of creationism in school.

The Don’t ask Don’t tell policy was a product of Evangelical Christians.

3 hours away from my house 2 girls were slaughtered by their Muslim parents for dressing inappropriately (their religious belief system is to be blamed).

If people’s religious beliefs didn’t have such a huge impact on their life decisions, most of these debates would rarely take place.
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That’s why I said someones belief is no one’s business except their own. What your describing is people forcing beliefs on other people, making it everyone else’s promlem and it’s a shame, it just fucks everything up and causes these debates as you said.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
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Nondenominational comedy gold.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kjmont wrote:
I don’t understand why what a person believes in is anyone’s business but their own?

People need to stop trying to disprove religion/prove religion, our beliefs are our own problem. [/quote]

You really didn’t think this post out through before your wrote it.

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I half did to be honest, I’m sure there’s a bunch of things that can be ripped apart. But it gets old about the whole X-religion vs y-religion vs atheism. Yeah there’s holes in christian stories, so what? Man wrote them; man fucks everything up. Doesn’t mean there is no God.[/quote]

I don’t care… until it effects me.

You have to understand someone’s religious beliefs effects their whole world view.

People have legislated parts of their beliefs into law which effects everyone.

The teaching of creationism in school.

The Don’t ask Don’t tell policy was a product of Evangelical Christians.

3 hours away from my house 2 girls were slaughtered by their Muslim parents for dressing inappropriately (their religious belief system is to be blamed).

If people’s religious beliefs didn’t have such a huge impact on their life decisions, most of these debates would rarely take place.
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And…I don’t care… until it affects me.

You have to understand someone’s non-religious beliefs affects their whole world view.

People have legislated parts of their beliefs into law which effects everyone.

The teaching of evolutionism in school.

The repeal of Don’t ask Don’t tell policy was a product of non-evangelical Christians.

If people’s atheistic beliefs didn’t have such a huge impact on their life decisions, most of these debates would rarely take place.

Funny how things work both ways…[/quote]

There’s no such thing as Atheistic beliefs. Atheism is a lack of belief.

You can be an atheist and be in favour of Don’t Ask Don’t tell, be pro-life, or think Evolution is a load of crap.

The people who made those decisions didn’t make them because they were atheists. There’s nothing required in atheism other than a lack of a god belief.

Sloth,

There is absolutely no moral indignation in what I wrote.

And there is no reason to believe that whatever governs the laws of physics has any interest in our morals. You seem caught up in the idea that whatever set things in motion has to continuously monitor and govern every aspect of his creation.

You’re arguing against figments of your own imagination, and even against those you aren’t making much sense. I suggest that you cease and desist, and let Gregory the Lion prove to us all how the bible is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.