War on Drugs Takes Hit

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:

The drug czar, John Walters, wrote Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, that retail cocaine prices fell by 11 percent from February 2005 to October 2006, to about $135 per gram of pure cocaine – hovering near the same levels since the early 1990s. In 1981, when the U.S. government began collecting data, a gram of pure cocaine fetched $600.

And that doesn’t even take inflation into account. $600 in 1981 is the equivalent of $1,370 today. So the price of a gram then is the price of ten grams now, of allegedly higher quality product.

Putting it another way, an ounce of gold would not buy a even a whole gram of cocaine in 1981. Today, however, an ounce of gold will buy 6.5 grams.

Weird.

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Hey that’s good news…Now if I actually knew someone who sold coke…

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:

The drug czar, John Walters, wrote Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, that retail cocaine prices fell by 11 percent from February 2005 to October 2006, to about $135 per gram of pure cocaine – hovering near the same levels since the early 1990s. In 1981, when the U.S. government began collecting data, a gram of pure cocaine fetched $600.

And that doesn’t even take inflation into account. $600 in 1981 is the equivalent of $1,370 today. So the price of a gram then is the price of ten grams now, of allegedly higher quality product.

Putting it another way, an ounce of gold would not buy a even a whole gram of cocaine in 1981. Today, however, an ounce of gold will buy 6.5 grams.

Weird.

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I think you are leaving out part of the equation, being the price of gold in 1980 was $850 and Oz.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:

The drug czar, John Walters, wrote Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, that retail cocaine prices fell by 11 percent from February 2005 to October 2006, to about $135 per gram of pure cocaine – hovering near the same levels since the early 1990s. In 1981, when the U.S. government began collecting data, a gram of pure cocaine fetched $600.

And that doesn’t even take inflation into account. $600 in 1981 is the equivalent of $1,370 today. So the price of a gram then is the price of ten grams now, of allegedly higher quality product.

Putting it another way, an ounce of gold would not buy a even a whole gram of cocaine in 1981. Today, however, an ounce of gold will buy 6.5 grams.

Weird.

Hey that’s good news…Now if I actually knew someone who sold coke…
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I PM’ed you.

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ElbowStrike wrote:

I disagree I think it forces people to take responsibility for themselves and their families. They will have to learn on their own, but that is not why I think drugs should be legal. I think they should be legal because I do not think the government has a right to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body. It’s just none of their fucking business.

Besides, we are not a society of abstinence we are society who frowns on drugs that make us feel good (on the surface). Hard-on drugs, prostate shrinker’s, toe nail fungus drugs, restless leg syndrome drugs, etc. What ever else they can pander on us they do. Cocaine has a terrible profit margin compared to these other drugs. They got a pill to make you cum so hard you go blind and another that will bring back your vision. What a racket.[/quote] I agree with you they don’t have the right to tell us what we can and cannot ingest.But they do anyway beacuse them and their friends up at the pharmaceutical industry cant make money off of the street shit. And It’s ridiculous to put people who use pot behind bars.It’s also kinda ridiculous that we drink the Kool-Aid the legal drug cartel feeds us and buy medicines for the stupidest conditions, seriously did anyone hear of Restless leg syndrome before GSK’s PR dpt. came up with it.

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[quote]Gambles wrote:
buy medicines for the stupidest conditions, seriously did anyone hear of Restless leg syndrome before GSK’s PR dpt. came up with it.

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Straight up. There seem to be a ton of new “syndromes” for every problem conceivable and a new drug to treat them. I feel bad for our kids. They have created a slew of “syndromes” for them and are feeding them drugs like candy.

example: I sat in on a class of “autistic” kids. I expected to see freaking “Rain Man.” Most of the kids in the class appeared to be what we called shy back in the old days. Other than that, they seemed completely normal to me.

Maybe because both parents work, these kids aren’t very good at social interaction and are withdrawn. Ok, let’s call 'um autistic and give 'um drugs. That’ll do it.

sorry about the hijack.

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[quote]Gambles wrote:
It’s also kinda ridiculous that we drink the Kool-Aid the legal drug cartel feeds us and buy medicines for the stupidest conditions, seriously did anyone hear of Restless leg syndrome before GSK’s PR dpt. came up with it.
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Quite right.

If a person has “restless leg syndrome”, it’s probably because they’ve been inactive all day and as a result – you guessed it! Their legs are restless!

What gets me is the antidepressant market. Wellbutrin XL has been approved for treatment of “seasonal affective disorder”, caused by a lack of sunlight during winter months. Sure, vitamin D and a sunlamp would probably do just as well, but we gotta increase product consumption!

A friend went through a group therapy program and she said the doctors in there tell patients that they’ll likely never be able to go off their medications. Never. Can you believe it? How irresponsible is that?

ElbowStrike

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think you are leaving out part of the equation, being the price of gold in 1980 was $850 and Oz.[/quote]

I know what the price of gold was in 1980.

But we were comparing prices in 1981, when the price of gold never rose above 600, and bottomed at 391. The average price for the year was $459, which, as I said, would not have bought a full gram of cocaine.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think you are leaving out part of the equation, being the price of gold in 1980 was $850 and Oz.

I know what the price of gold was in 1980.

But we were comparing prices in 1981, when the price of gold never rose above 600, and bottomed at 391. The average price for the year was $459, which, as I said, would not have bought a full gram of cocaine.[/quote]

To truly compare the rate of inflation, you would need more than those two factors.

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I never bought coke in the 80�??s but as I recall in the 70�??s it was less than a $100 a gram I recall you could get an oz for less than $1500. Like I say this is just from memory.

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I liked it probably because they were preaching to the choir

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I’ve been thinking:

After ephedrine was banned in the states, the black market started selling it. The lack of regulation meant people buying ephedrine powder laced with amphetamines, crystal meth, coke, and whatever else.

Nobody buys ephedrine on the black market in Canada. There is no “ephedrine problem”.

Why?

Anyone who wants ephedrine can go down to Popeye’s Supplements or GNC and buy a 60-tab x 8mg bottle of pharmaceutical-quality ephedrine. The recommended dosage is right on the side, and there is a visible warning not to exceed that amount.

It is clearly labeled as a nasal decongestant, and any use other than label recommendation is done at the user’s own risk.

The responsible individual can choose to consume that ephedrine, knows exactly how much she is putting in her body, and that it will not be laced with addictive drugs to get her hooked.

If I could go down to Home & Garden and pick up marijuana seedlings of reliable THC content to grow at home, would I ever even consider buying a black-market seedling from a person of disreputable character? Hell no!

If I could go to the local tobacconist and pick up a pack of cigaweed with a reliable THC-content listed on the side of the box, the black market for marijuana would fall apart. If Marlboro sold cigaweed laced with hard drugs, then they would get a class-action lawsuit shoved so far up their asses that the company would be completely destroyed.

All of these drug products could have the same label warnings as cigarette boxes now have (at least here up North), explaining the reality of the risks involved.

Advertisement restrictions and regulations now existing on tobacco products would also apply to these other recreational drug products.

Have ecstasy legal for sale, but only when individual tabs hold 1/10th of what an average tab bought on the street might have. Anyone in their right mind who wanted to experiment would buy the over-the-counter ecstacy and be able to make an informed decision about how much they are going to be consuming.

Sure, they can pop 10 tabs, but there would be a clear warning on the side of the bottle that they shouldn’t do that, the realistic consequences of doing so, and that if they do it is at their own risk.

With all these drugs regulated and purchasable in safe, reliable, low-dose form, the black market for them will fall apart and all the money spent on the War on Drugs…

…can instead go to hunt down rapists, murderers, and theives – especially those motherfuckers who stole my car on Tuesday!

Motherfuckers!

That’s right. They fuck their own mothers.

ElbowStrike

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I completely agree with this man… as far as I can tell lol.

I’d really like to see anyone’s counter argument to this. IMO it seems extremely logical and he has tons of examples and reasons for everything.

IMO this ends the debate everyone is having here but I’d like to hear anyone who disagrees.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
I agree, if you want to do the shit, go for it. BUT!!! If it fucks up your life, I dont want to foot the bill. You should sign a waiver that says "I (insert name) want to do (insert drug), but if I fuck up my life I wont get on wellfare or foodstamps or live off of others in any shape, form, or fashion.[/quote]

Damn fucking right.

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[quote]ShaneM686 wrote:
I completely agree with this man… as far as I can tell lol.

I’d really like to see anyone’s counter argument to this. IMO it seems extremely logical and he has tons of examples and reasons for everything.

IMO this ends the debate everyone is having here but I’d like to hear anyone who disagrees. [/quote]

This guy is 100% right.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
End prohibition [/quote]

No doubt!