Ya, I don’t see Clinton beating Fiorina in a debate either.
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I’m surprised that no one has mentioned one of the reasons that Walker says he dropped out. That is in order to hurt the front runner Donald Trump (who is slowly sinking in the polls). He basically said with less of a choice among real conservatives that one would start to pull ahead of Trump (and the other outsiders). The most recent debate once again showed Trump to be a light weight. But, the fact that he has been in two debates has brought TV viewers from the normal 4-5 million to well over 20 million for each debate. This has been really good as more people got to see the legitimate candidates in action.
As for Walker, yes he is a very good Governor. But lets face it he looks goofy. I have no idea how to further define that, but most of you know what I mean. One cannot look goofy and get elected to the Presidency in 2016.
I’m glad that he removed himself. Many of his advisors went to the Rubio campaign. And Rubio, if you have noticed, has risen in the polls after the last debate. He is running 4th to the three “outsiders”. Eventually when this fascination with Trump disappears (and we are in the midst of it now) I believe that the parties nomination will end up in Rubio’s hands. He is an incredibly competent and smart guy. And just as importantly, unlike Ted Cruz whom I like very much, Rubio has the looks, smile and charisma to actually win.
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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
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But I think her lack of government experience hurts her. She lacks policy depth, which could show up as a problem going up against a candidate with deep policy experience.[/quote]
This is definitely my biggest concern when it comes to Fiorina. She’s light on substantive policy. She will be at a distinct disadvantage in any debate with Clinton, which is why I favor Rubio as the nominee. [/quote]
Bis:
I would CERTAINLY be the last to underestimate “The Clinton Machine”; but I think that Fiorina could hold her own in a debate with Clinton.
Remember; while substance has counted in debates; so has things like delivery, overall presence and the hard-to-predict “Zingers and One Liners” that can elevate one candidate and sink another.
Clinton has sounded way too flippant and unsure about herself lately…even kind of bored with it all… while Fiorina seems sharp and focused.
This all can change, of course; but if a debate was held today, Fiorina could hold her own.
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I have to disagree. She will be simply outclassed by Clinton’s knowledge and experience. Clinton’s recent performance at a major event at a prominent think tank was nothing short of presidential timber.
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You’ve overstated Clinton’s abilities, evidenced most obviously and recently by Clinton’s attempts to circumscribe the number of debates in the Democratic primary. Ole “presidential timber” is nervous about having to hold her own against the other candidates and is worried about getting eclipsed.
That should give any Clinton fanboy pause against Fiorina in a debate, who looks pretty sharp.
One more point on Hillary Clinton’s debate skills. A young Senator with only two years experience in the Senate destroyed her when they debated in 2008. Unfortunately, this lead to his being elected President of the United States. And Barak Obama was never considered a great debater but he did in fact take Hillary apart 7 years ago.
With few exceptions every republican contender would defeat Hillary in a debate. Of course if Candy Crowley or another left wing hack is the moderator they will certainly try to pull old Hillary along. But, even under those circumstances I wouldn’t bet on Hillary.
I think Fiorina would destroy HRC in a debate. Dems love to claim Republicans have a war on woman, which doesn’t work against Carly. The best argument against Carly is her time as CEO of HP, which she will have to continue to defend.
As for the Republican race, who is next to drop out? Jindal? Christie? Paul? Graham? Santorum? Scott Walker also requested other candidates drop out to narrow down the field so people could have a better selection of candidates to oppose the Donald. They’ll leave on their own time and for their own reasons, but does anyone actually think Jindal or Santorum will move up in the polls?
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does anyone actually think Jindal or Santorum will move up in the polls?
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No, Jindal is not made for the media. I take nothing away from him as Governor as he has a proven record. But when you move to the big leagues you need a polish and a look that neither Jindal or Scott Walker possess.
As for Santorum, he suffers from another problem. Voters look at him as being someone who pushes his religion down everyone’s throat. No one, not even many Christians appreciate that.
These folks along with former NY Governor George Pataki are minor players on the big stage. I also think they are smart enough to understand this and are hanging around for a possible VP spot, or remaining relevant for a cabinet position. Not that one needs a high profile to gain a cabinet post, but it doesn’t hurt. They are also not spending the money that the top tier candidates are spending which allows them to hang around until the last light is turned off in the republican race.
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does anyone actually think Jindal or Santorum will move up in the polls?
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No, Jindal is not made for the media. I take nothing away from him as Governor as he has a proven record. But when you move to the big leagues you need a polish and a look that neither Jindal or Scott Walker possess.
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I’m really want to see Jindal on the main stage. I think if he gets the opportunity the public may want to become more familiar with him. Maybe not polished, but Jindal definitely is more lively than Walker. If we could lose a few more candidates from the main stage, the debate wouldn’t suffer from having Jindal up there.
Ignoring Pataki, Santorum, Graham, Christie, Kasich. They will all be gone soon.
Maybe I will eat crow on this, but I don’t see Rubio making it to Iowa. He may be the next “real candidate,” to drop out.
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
does anyone actually think Jindal or Santorum will move up in the polls?
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No, Jindal is not made for the media. I take nothing away from him as Governor as he has a proven record. But when you move to the big leagues you need a polish and a look that neither Jindal or Scott Walker possess.
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I’m really want to see Jindal on the main stage. I think if he gets the opportunity the public may want to become more familiar with him. Maybe not polished, but Jindal definitely is more lively than Walker. If we could lose a few more candidates from the main stage, the debate wouldn’t suffer from having Jindal up there.
Ignoring Pataki, Santorum, Graham, Christie, Kasich. They will all be gone soon.
Maybe I will eat crow on this, but I don’t see Rubio making it to Iowa. He may be the next “real candidate,” to drop out.[/quote]
No Rubio is not dropping out my friend! But he is climbing in the polls.
Marco Rubio has a very large war chest (and has some serious backers). Not as large as Jeb Bush, but pretty big. I assure you he will not be dropping out. He will either be the republican nominee, or on the ticket.
I say this for four reasons:
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He is a very smart and articulate individual who takes second place to no one when it comes to discussing foreign affairs. He would be very strong in a debate regardless of which of the three stooges the democrats put up, Bernie, Biden or Hillary.
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He is a Spanish speaking Hispanic. The republicans need these voters and Rubio can attract them. We don’t have to win the majority but we need to be closer.
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He is a good looking and charismatic youthful candidate. If the republicans want to draw more women he is the man who can do it. Also, picturing him standing next to Hillary Clinton on a debate stage is a bold contrast between the old and the new, between the 90’s and 2015. He will look like a winner!
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He represents the state of Florida and the republicans will not win the Presidential election without winning the 29 electoral votes that this state has to offer. Romney lost Florida to Obama by just a tad more than 1% and I assure you that the GOP will not let that happen again.
One added bonus, if he chooses Kasich the popular Governor of Ohio as his VP that will be an additional 18 electoral votes. And just like Florida the GOP does not win without Ohio. IF the republicans lock down Florida and Ohio with a Rubio/Kasich ticket it will be an ugly night for the democrats.
At some point as Jeb Bush’s campaign flounders I expect him to drop out (not for a long time) and throw his support to Rubio. If that occurs that will sew up the nomination for Rubio. Granted it is a bold prediction but it could happen just that way. Currently Rubio is ahead of Bush in most polls that I’ve read. Rubio is the current candidate with momentum along with Carly Fiorina.
And as long as I’m at it, here’s my read on the rest of the field:
Trump is fading as his bluster is wearing thin.
Carson losing traction after his lackluster recent debate performance.
Cruz, incredible on the issues but does not have the face, tone or demeanor to pull it off.
Christie too liberal and many have not forgotten his hugs and kisses to Obama during Sandy last year. Also, I doubt we are ready for an obese President.
Rand Paul has peaked. He never had a chance for a multitude of reasons.
Huckabee is too old and does not project leadership, although he is articulate.
Kasich knows that he’s running for Vice President, and I hope he gets the job.
Jeb Bush started out at the #1 spot and has fallen every since. This is due to three reasons. The first is his last name is Bush. Secondly, regardless of how he tries to pass himself off as a conservative no one is buying it. He is a supporter of Common Core etc. Finally, Donald Trump, while he is an sideshow on the GOP landscape he painted Bush as a “low energy guy” and it stuck!
There you have it. Maybe I will be eating crow because anything can happen in politics. But my money is on Marco Rubio for the win. Either way he is a good bet to be on the ticket.