[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Regarding the MSM’s reaction…
…There’s this psychological theory called displacement. You can look it up.
Now the right wingnuts know how the leftwing nuts felt when Lewinsky was the hot topic.
Cheers!
Cheney’s incident happened on private property so it should remain private affair.[/quote]
Let’s see…
(1) Bill Clinton
President Clinton has a sexual affair with a young White House Intern, on federal property (the White House) and then lies about it to the nation and to a grand jury.
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman” “it depends what the definition of “is” is”
(2) Dick Cheney
Accidently shoots a good friend and hunting partner during a quail hunt on private land. Cheney then sits for an interview and takes FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the ACCIDENT, admitting his fault and describing the incident.
Yes, we “right wing nuts” do know how you libs must have felt: EMBARASSED!
The only thing is – we aint’.
Nice try by the libs to make hay out of this one, but as with all you Bush haters, where are your IDEAS to solve problems. All we hear is Bush sucks, Cheney sucks,…(yawn).
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Regarding the MSM’s reaction…
…There’s this psychological theory called displacement. You can look it up.
Now the right wingnuts know how the leftwing nuts felt when Lewinsky was the hot topic.
Cheers!
Cheney’s incident happened on private property so it should remain private affair.
Let’s see…
(1) Bill Clinton
President Clinton has a sexual affair with a young White House Intern, on federal property (the White House) and then lies about it to the nation and to a grand jury.
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman” “it depends what the definition of “is” is”
(2) Dick Cheney
Accidently shoots a good friend and hunting partner during a quail hunt on private land. Cheney then sits for an interview and takes FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the ACCIDENT, admitting his fault and describing the incident.
Yes, we “right wing nuts” do know how you libs must have felt: EMBARASSED!
The only thing is – we aint’.
Nice try by the libs to make hay out of this one, but as with all you Bush haters, where are your IDEAS to solve problems. All we hear is Bush sucks, Cheney sucks,…(yawn).
Ideas please?
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You chose a thread about Cheney shooting someone, and you complain that you are not reading any liberal ideas about how to solve problems…is that what you expected to read about when you clicked on this thread?
Marmadogg wrote:
The issue I raised was the MSM’s response to the Lewinsky scandal when that scandal first broke is the same as the MSM’s response to Cheney’s 2 beer human target practice.
You are the jack@$$ that does not understand the issues.
F-ing right wingnuttery…
PSlave wrote:
Woah, wait a minute. Where did the “2 beer” thing come from?
And not to defend Zap or anything, as I’m sure he’s a big boy, but can we try to keep THIS thread from degenerating any further into name calling?
Boston,
All that MSNBC link says is that the question should be asked. He admitted that he had a beer for lunch, and someone in the hunting party was quoted in an early Google News account of the story as saying that beer had been served before, but not during, the hunt.
If I shot someone in a hunting accident, and then reported it a day later, I am sure that the police would want to know if I had been drinking. It is a legitimate question, and MSNBC did not make anything up.
If I shot someone in a hunting accident, and then reported it a day later, I am sure that the police would want to know if I had been drinking. It is a legitimate question, and MSNBC did not make anything up.[/quote]
He didn’t report it a day later. The sheriff was called right after the ambulance. He has no obligation to call CBS and say, “I just shot my friend.”
If I shot someone in a hunting accident, and then reported it a day later, I am sure that the police would want to know if I had been drinking. It is a legitimate question, and MSNBC did not make anything up.
He didn’t report it a day later. The sheriff was called right after the ambulance. He has no obligation to call CBS and say, “I just shot my friend.”
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I agree that he has no obligation to call CBS. But there is some disagreement about when he was interviewed by police. This is from the Washington post:
The Washington Post reported on February 14:
Local law enforcement officials did not interview Cheney until Sunday morning, about 14 hours after the shooting, in an agreement worked out between the Secret Service and Kenedy County Sheriff Ramon Salinas III. Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said at least one deputy was turned away shortly after the shooting because security personnel at the ranch were not aware of the agreement between the sheriff and the Secret Service.
Like I wrote before…there is a psychological term for this and it is ‘displacement’.
This makes for good media whether you are left or right of the polical spectrum.
If you can not see that this makes for good media then you are a doofus.
Cheney f’ed up by not releasing his statement throught the WH’s media relations office. They could have given this story to New Corp. first and not the NYT. The bottom line is the way he handled this incident was poor. Scott McClellan should be answering questions about why the WH sat on this story instead of refering the MSM to the office of the V.P.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Like I wrote before…there is a psychological term for this and it is ‘displacement’.
This makes for good media whether you are left or right of the polical spectrum.
If you can not see that this makes for good media then you are a doofus.
Cheney f’ed up by not releasing his statement throught the WH’s media relations office. They could have given this story to New Corp. first and not the NYT. The bottom line is the way he handled this incident was poor. Scott McClellan should be answering questions about why the WH sat on this story instead of refering the MSM to the office of the V.P.
Bad move all around.[/quote]
Cheney is not White House. He lives in his own place and has his own staff.
He is under no obligation to work with the WH press corp on this.
The continued bitchy behavior of the WH press corp just shows that they are indeed the enemy of Bush’s admin and he has been dealing with them correctly since day one.
The WH press corp has let down the country with their bitchy behavior.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Like I wrote before…there is a psychological term for this and it is ‘displacement’.
This makes for good media whether you are left or right of the polical spectrum.
If you can not see that this makes for good media then you are a doofus.
Cheney f’ed up by not releasing his statement throught the WH’s media relations office. They could have given this story to New Corp. first and not the NYT. The bottom line is the way he handled this incident was poor. Scott McClellan should be answering questions about why the WH sat on this story instead of refering the MSM to the office of the V.P.
Bad move all around.[/quote]
Should the media be alerted if Ted Kennedy has a few too many? Should a press conference be called if GW has the ‘shits’? Jesus! People are dying all over the world, riots in Pakistan, starvation in Africa, and we’re worried about a hunting accident?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Like I wrote before…there is a psychological term for this and it is ‘displacement’.
This makes for good media whether you are left or right of the polical spectrum.
If you can not see that this makes for good media then you are a doofus.
Cheney f’ed up by not releasing his statement throught the WH’s media relations office. They could have given this story to New Corp. first and not the NYT. The bottom line is the way he handled this incident was poor. Scott McClellan should be answering questions about why the WH sat on this story instead of refering the MSM to the office of the V.P.
Bad move all around.
Cheney is not White House. He lives in his own place and has his own staff.
He is under no obligation to work with the WH press corp on this.
The continued bitchy behavior of the WH press corp just shows that they are indeed the enemy of Bush’s admin and he has been dealing with them correctly since day one.
The WH press corp has let down the country with their bitchy behavior.[/quote]
What’s funny is the WH press corps acting like they’re a legitimate branch of government.
“Why weren’t we informed right away!..We demand answers!!!”
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Like I wrote before…there is a psychological term for this and it is ‘displacement’.
This makes for good media whether you are left or right of the polical spectrum.
If you can not see that this makes for good media then you are a doofus.
Cheney f’ed up by not releasing his statement throught the WH’s media relations office. They could have given this story to New Corp. first and not the NYT. The bottom line is the way he handled this incident was poor. Scott McClellan should be answering questions about why the WH sat on this story instead of refering the MSM to the office of the V.P.
Bad move all around.
Should the media be alerted if Ted Kennedy has a few too many? Should a press conference be called if GW has the ‘shits’? Jesus! People are dying all over the world, riots in Pakistan, starvation in Africa, and we’re worried about a hunting accident?
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People were dying all over the world and we were worried about “sexual harrassment” and a blow job. Why the sudden change?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’m still amazed at how anyone cares about this at all. This story should be on page 22 of your local paper, beneath the K-Mart ad.
You’d think the man had dropped his pants at a picnic and rubbed ‘Charlie’ over the potato salad.
Why does anyone give a shit about this? AAARRRGGGHHHHH![/quote]
People give a shit because the Vice-President of the United States of America…shot a man…IN THE FACE.
And then, with the arrogance and noblesse oblige that typifies this administration, had a private citizen call a local paper 24 hours later.
Now, I agree: it was an accident. But, to say this “shouldn’t even be news” is massively disingenuous.
Boston,
All that MSNBC link says is that the question should be asked. He admitted that he had a beer for lunch, and someone in the hunting party was quoted in an early Google News account of the story as saying that beer had been served before, but not during, the hunt.
If I shot someone in a hunting accident, and then reported it a day later, I am sure that the police would want to know if I had been drinking. It is a legitimate question, and MSNBC did not make anything up.[/quote]
dermo,
The beer at lunch is an interesting little side note – but come on. A single beer at lunch, i.e. with food, and then he’s out at least three hours later.
Perhaps I was hasty in attributing the massive internet “cover up” theory as starting with MSNBC’s question, and perhaps the question is legit – but the endless speculation and the over-the-top theories that have piled on about their delaying reporting anything so Cheney could sober up are ridiculous.
“People were dying all over the world and we were worried about “sexual harrassment” and a blow job. Why the sudden change?”
Awesome thinking!!!
I just can’t believe that you put that together all by yourself. People who supported his impeachment were worried about the blow job!!!
That’s it!!! We had no other reason!!!
It’s the blowjob!!!
It should be part of the application process. “You are not allowed to get a blow from anyone in the White House.”
The applicant pool would dry up. hillary wouldn’t apply as receiving a blow is an integral part of her day.
Anyone else here imagine pox treating a patient.
Patient: My leg hurts.
pox: penicillin.
Patient: I hit my leg on a desk.
pox: Penicillin!!!
Patient: Can we get an x-ray?
pox: PENICILLIN!!!
JeffR
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God, you’re a tool. That HAS to cause some problems on the job. I just do not believe the rest of your life is falling into place when you think like this here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Like I wrote before…there is a psychological term for this and it is ‘displacement’.
This makes for good media whether you are left or right of the polical spectrum.
If you can not see that this makes for good media then you are a doofus.
Cheney f’ed up by not releasing his statement throught the WH’s media relations office. They could have given this story to New Corp. first and not the NYT. The bottom line is the way he handled this incident was poor. Scott McClellan should be answering questions about why the WH sat on this story instead of refering the MSM to the office of the V.P.
Bad move all around.
Should the media be alerted if Ted Kennedy has a few too many? Should a press conference be called if GW has the ‘shits’? Jesus! People are dying all over the world, riots in Pakistan, starvation in Africa, and we’re worried about a hunting accident?
People were dying all over the world and we were worried about “sexual harrassment” and a blow job. Why the sudden change?[/quote]
Because it was an accident. I suppose you’re referring to Clinton in your post (although you are an enigma to me). The White House is OUR house. The man came into our house and had a blowjob there. Do you want him coming into your house and doing that?
An accident is not the same as intentional behavior. If the VP intentionally shot the guy, sure, it would be big news. Emptying your balls on an interns dress is not an accident (unless Bill’s got a little trouble in the premee dept).
The Democrats and their cronies in the media are making jackasses of themselves to the American people.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I’m still amazed at how anyone cares about this at all. This story should be on page 22 of your local paper, beneath the K-Mart ad.
You’d think the man had dropped his pants at a picnic and rubbed ‘Charlie’ over the potato salad.
Why does anyone give a shit about this? AAARRRGGGHHHHH!
People give a shit because the Vice-President of the United States of America…shot a man…IN THE FACE.
And then, with the arrogance and noblesse oblige that typifies this administration, had a private citizen call a local paper 24 hours later.
Now, I agree: it was an accident. But, to say this “shouldn’t even be news” is massively disingenuous.
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It is a huge story and should be reported. My only problem is that the WH press corp and David Gregory in particular seem to think that Cheney should have called them right away.
Why don’t they tag along on these trips and do some real reportiung instead of waiting for people to do their jobs for them?