I know am I overthinking.
I just cannot buy into the non-existence.
It kinda gives me the creeps too.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I know am I overthinking.
I just cannot buy into the non-existence.[/quote]
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I know am I overthinking.
I just cannot buy into the non-existence.[/quote]
Well, it isn’t a problem that can be solved… so you shouldn’t treat it like one. I suppose we live in an era when almost any troubling thing can be solved or at least mitigated, except for death.
If it makes you feel any better, Nietzsche felt the same way, which is why he came up with the concept of Eternal Return (we live our lives over and over again, endlessly). Sartre worried about the same problem, which is why he pushed his special brand of existentialism. Heidegger pondered the abyss, and he said a lot of things about it that hardly anyone understands. So at least you’re in good company. Although, all those guys are dead, now.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
royalgoober wrote:
Psycho Therapist wrote:
Death is the same thing as your existence before conception; a great big nothing. The world press photo contest of 2004 had a series of pictures of terminal patients living and moments after death. The difference is startling; once the breath of life has gone, what is left is matter, a big lump of decaying cells.
From my POV, there’s no life after death. You, the psychological entity thinking, exists solely due to the body, and once the body gives out, you’re back where you came from.
i agree word for word
Yes… But can you see the nothing? If your eyes cannot see they cannot see nothing…
So what is entering the brain as a visual stimulus?
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Once the brain is no longer able to process stimuli from the senses due to death, there is no ‘you’ that can see anything. This ‘you’ is the sum of all previous experiences stored as memories. Light may enter the eyes after death but falls on decaying matter, and as we all know, decaying matter is unable to do anything but rot.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I also cannot concede to existence from nothing when in pure form we are the exact same but in different arrangement. The whole belief that the world is constant and that the world started and will end with the same amount of each element how can one say that we do not exist when the basic structures are all still on this planet?[/quote]
The geography of the brain is essential for sentient being. Once the brain looses it’s structural integrity, sentience ends. Death is not different from being prior to conception.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
With that in mind… is it possible for someone to think without language? Would this be further evidence of a entirely physical nature of the body?
I support the notion that the body is entirely physical I just find it hard to accept that there can be nothing without the awareness of nothing.
Is thought a by-product of language and communication? Would someone raised alone be incapable of thought seeing as they would not have a language to think in?
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There are people who ‘think’ in images only. No inner monologue. Some people, through relentess meditation, experienced the end of the thinker as a form of death, whilst the body lives on. No one has ever been able to function, except in zombie movies, as a rotting dead corpse.
Nothing can’t be experienced as such without it turning into a something, and then nothing is no longer nothing.
Nep, I can’t disagree, obviously, but I can look at things and ask questions.
However, as we have been created in God’s image, it is surprising that all these lesser beings roam the Earth with the same equipment and processes, lacking a little bit here and a little bit there.
In general, I find strict interpretations of religion to lead to logical paradoxes. The universe is so huge and mankind is left to scrabble for existence on an insignificant little planet.
Humans are supposed to special in some way, but there has never been any way to detect anything different about us, except perhaps some ability to think and reason.
When you get down to literalism and a complete sets of rules being left for us, you have to ask yourself why we have such a developed ability to think at all if we aren’t supposed to use it.
I’m sure I’m doing a poor job, but the more strict the interpretation the more holes it has.
This doesn’t mean that there can’t be a God, and I’m not trying to show that in any way, but it does hint to me that our interpretations of things are very poor at best, with respect to written words that have existed for thousands of years.
Those writings just don’t seem to make sense.
If there is a God, then I think most of our religions have it wrong. It isn’t as if mankind doesn’t get everything else wrong before it gets it right, it’s just the way we work. We try, we fail, we try, we fail, we eventually get something to work…
Right now we are on religion 2.0 it seems. We started with what is now laughable mythology. Now we have the one supreme being who sent us a representative to speak on his behalf.
What, if anything, will be next?
This will never be decided, the more questions are seemingly answered themore pop up, but what is freaky is this.
I was watching TLC i think, they were doing a show about near death experiences and trying to prove whether a soul exists etc… The point is this, they were intervieving a brain surgeon who had a patiend in a medically induced death? And her body temperature lowered to 65 degrees . The neurologist said there were no life sighns, no brain activity nothing. The woman woke up from the surgery and described to the doctor the entire procedure, the how’s and when’s. She also described with exactness which tools he used, how and when, pretty much all the details of the surgery. She said she floated above the entire time. The Doctors were baffled.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I know am I overthinking.
I just cannot buy into the non-existence.[/quote]
Just think of the Dead Parrot sketch.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I know am I overthinking.
I just cannot buy into the non-existence.[/quote]
Remember before you were born?
There ya go.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
pookie wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
…the unknown knowns…
And which knowns would those be?
That would be the things that we know, but we don’t know yet that we know them. It’s quite simple really…
DB[/quote]
But if you don’t know what you know, then you don’t know, no?
[quote]pookie wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
I know am I overthinking.
I just cannot buy into the non-existence.
Remember before you were born?
There ya go.[/quote]
I remember nothing…
So wait… we see nothing…
A Zen koan from Chinyono:
In this way and that I tried to save the old pail
Since the bamboo strip was weakening and about to break
Until at last the bottom fell out.
No more water in the pail!
No more moon in the water!
[quote]elevationgain wrote:
DeepSouth wrote:
It’s my “belief” that the physical world is a manifestation of the spritual world…therefore; laws are the same, just in a different format, with the physical world being a representation of that format…forced into existence.
You mean like the “Matrix?” I’m not following.
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Since I’m not that familiar with the Matrix, I can’t answer that question.
My Christian perspective…maybe.
I believe that there are fundamental spriritual laws the same as there are fundamental physical laws. I’d say they are congruent and the same in their application. You can see the ball rolling and friction slowing it down. You can see someone hit the ball with a force. All physically sensed and evidenced. I’d say there are spritual forces (faith, love, joy hate, etc.) that I think you can also realize if you perceive them and the effects they have. Life began with the use of Faith (a spritual force)…and life as we know it is now in physical motion as well as spritual motion.
I’m thinking when we die our spiritual “energy” re-merges from wherever it originated from. Are we cognizant after death? Don’t know…does anybody? Even the bible says Jesus is the groom and we are the bride…thats a marriage/merger…
Anyone here read Campbell’s “The Power of Myth”. Some call him ant-Semite/Christian and a little pro Buddhist, but he’s got some insiteful analysis on stuff like this and before/after death…Circle of life, etc. The Buddhists I think chant four sounds which are a physical representation of the circle of life…with the fourth sound being silence…but its still referred to as a circle.
[quote]DeepSouth wrote:
elevationgain wrote:
DeepSouth wrote:
It’s my “belief” that the physical world is a manifestation of the spritual world…therefore; laws are the same, just in a different format, with the physical world being a representation of that format…forced into existence.
You mean like the “Matrix?” I’m not following.
Since I’m not that familiar with the Matrix, I can’t answer that question.
My Christian perspective…maybe.
I believe that there are fundamental spriritual laws the same as there are fundamental physical laws. I’d say they are congruent and the same in their application. You can see the ball rolling and friction slowing it down. You can see someone hit the ball with a force. All physically sensed and evidenced. I’d say there are spritual forces (faith, love, joy hate, etc.) that I think you can also realize if you perceive them and the effects they have. Life began with the use of Faith (a spritual force)…and life as we know it is now in physical motion as well as spritual motion.
I’m thinking when we die our spiritual “energy” re-merges from wherever it originated from. Are we cognizant after death? Don’t know…does anybody? Even the bible says Jesus is the groom and we are the bride…thats a marriage/merger…
Anyone here read Campbell’s “The Power of Myth”. Some call him ant-Semite/Christian and a little pro Buddhist, but he’s got some insiteful analysis on stuff like this and before/after death…Circle of life, etc. The Buddhists I think chant four sounds which are a physical representation of the circle of life…with the fourth sound being silence…but its still referred to as a circle.[/quote]
I had honestly never heard the bride/groom reference wrt Jesus.
That’s pretty crazy.
[quote]pookie wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
I know am I overthinking.
I just cannot buy into the non-existence.
Remember before you were born?
There ya go.[/quote]
So true it hurts.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
I know we all think about death. Sometimes I feel that the thought of death is what brought forth religion assuming a possibility that religion was written as a book from theory and not experience. The thought of death is often secured by the promises from our religion and own spirituality.
But that isn’t my point…
I am always in search of my religious beliefs and my spirituality. As a godfather in the catholic religion I am lean toward that side, but there are always my individual thoughts.
Outside of my religion…
When I think about death I always get caught in one area: Vision. Assuming that upon death we lose vision… what do we see?
There is a difference between not seeing and seeing nothing. So after death what does your body see? Surely you cannot say it sees nothing because the means of vision are not there. So is it possible to see nothing without vision? When you ask someone what you see after death and they answer nothing are they not wrong on technicality? Blind people see nothing… Dead people can’t see nothing.
Is it possible for thought to continue on in the physical body without life? If the whole phenomenon of thought is exactly that… do we have proof that it requires life to exist?
I’d like this to open up to a nice discussion to topic as it is one that often leaves me awake. [/quote]
TriGWU,
I think this might be the first sign of overtraining. I think of some crazy stuff when I’m out on a ride too, but this is DEEP!
[quote]Sarge131 wrote:
TriGWU,
I think this might be the first sign of overtraining. I think of some crazy stuff when I’m out on a ride too, but this is DEEP![/quote]
I think this might be the closest to the truth