They addressed the amendment. Quoted the law, and the amendment. You seem to have more criticism of an article you didn’t read for a reason that they genuinely covered than for the original fake article posted in the thread. I understand calling out snopes, but saying they didn’t do what they blatantly did when the article is in front of you is strange.
You have far more knowledge of this stuff than me, but is this kind of thing enforceable at all? It feels to me like it would be very difficult to prove wrongdoing in any of these laws.
So, not a single Democrat I know agrees with anything antifa has to say. And given that 99% of your posts on here involve Judaism in some form, I’m flabbergasted that you would group all Democrats in with the extremist idiots in their party and make no mention of the fact that there were “misguided 2nd amendment zealots” carrying flags and wearing armbands with swastikas on them, and that there were SEVERAL white nationalist groups there, and that the people there who were just ‘misguided’ STILL chose to march with them. That is absolutely incredible.
They mainly use them to harass and stifle speech with which they disagree. The law is unconstitutional, but you have to go to prison to get standing to sue about it.
Few want to take the risk/expense/ride.
I literally have no idea how I would find out what’s actually going on in the world right now.
Who is “they”? Phrases like “they will do this” and “they will oppress us” always worry me a bit.
I guess you are talking about incident in Charlotteville, where, the “Unite the Right” group founded by former CNN Assignment Editor Jason Kessler, Occupy Wall Street founder, and Obama supporter staged a legal protest to object to the removal of an admittedly complicated Confederate statue?
Said protest attracted less than 500 fellow travelers from all over the USA, a handful of whom were Neo-Nazi types, and was met by many thousands of Black Lives Matter counter-protestors and ANTIFA brown shirts who staged an illegal counter-rally and were actively looking for fights?
Yes, I have zero problem with the trailer parks emptying of white trash to go to Unite the Right rally. It’s their Constitutional right to be complete idiots.
I am much more worried about:
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the Democrat party that has Congresswomen who are openly antisemitic, and called for my country of Israel wiped off the map. (And their fellow Democrats who refused to even chastise the worst of the bunch by name.)
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The Democrats who are sadly misinformed about the issues with Israel/PA and think that we Israelis cannot pick the capital of our own country;
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The Occupy Wall Street idiots who were openly antisemtic (the 1% is code for “Jooooos” btw) and threw bottles at me when walking into a building, while the NYC cops just stood there; and
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My daughter who had bagels thrown at her on the Berkeley campus by liberal protestors for the crime of going to shul on Shabbat.
Etc.
Smart Jews are leaving the Democrat Ghetto, just as smart blacks are leaving the Democrat Plantation. I’m not remotely worried about the handful of white supremacists in the USA. They are not even on the fringe of the fringe of acceptable political discourse in the USA, despite the scare-mongering by Democrats.
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Whomever is in governmental power at that moment. It could be right or left.
As of now, it’s left (in Virginia).
I wouldn’t consider quoting something addressing it.
I didn’t read the original article either. I read the amendment. It is poorly worded, which is what I wanted to talk about.
Again, they snoped the article and all they said about the law and amendment was that it would not do what Infowars/Alex Jones’ hyperbole said it would do. They ignored or chose not to address the language/intent of the amendment and that’s the problem. It very could lead to de facto shutting down of martial arts schools via litigation, which, again, is probably unlikely, but highlights how poorly written the language of the amendment is.
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Again, you’re just being the king of whataboutism. Bringing up how you and your family have been victimized, but putting “intimidated” in quotes in reference to how some people might be intimidated by people decked out in full gear, carrying rifles and nazi paraphernalia with burning torches, and calling them snowflakes. You’re literally downplaying neo-nazis. You only mentioned them because I called you out on it. Now, you’re laughably painting a picture of Jason Kessler as a democrat, when besides his work for the Obama administration and the occupy movement, he was literally sworn in as a member of the Proud Boys, and he’s a neo-nazi white nationalist. He’s no more a Democrat than Trump was, despite Trump running as one previously.
And yes, antifa are morons. The occupy Wall Street movement was fucking stupid and counterproductive. But grouping all Democrats in with idiots is the same as grouping all Republicans in with idiots, or grouping all Jews in with one another - and the fact that you can’t see that is crazy.
Edit: I should add that I don’t mean to ever downplay what you or your family have gone through. I think your examples are quite extreme, and I’ve never seen any of that myself despite my family being Jewish and growing up in NY, but if it happened, it happened - I just don’t understand how people can go through things themselves and be so politically one-sided as to ignore when their side is doing the exact same thing.
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Thanks for these stories and opening my eyes to these issues with first hand accounts. I figured these groups were intolerant morons, but didn’t know it was this bad.
The article was real, The proposed legislation it references (and linked to) has been confirmed to be real. There are fallacies within the article (jump to conclusions) which can make it easy to dismiss, but it’s indeed a real article.
Look, the worry the author has is legitimate, however one may dismiss it due to the hyperbole contained within his writing. It may reek of clickbait but nothing about the article is fake. It’s real legislation with real world implications that are eliciting real worry. I’d suggest ceasing trying to discredit the article as “fake” considering nothing in it is such unless you can convince me/us otherwise…
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This is a criticism that’s been levelled frequently at the main left wing party in my country too. It would be interesting to understand the reasons
"The law would instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons . This includes instructors who teach kickboxing, BJJ, Krav Maga, boxing and even Capoeira.
It would also criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes.
It would even criminalize a father teaching his own son how to use a hunting rifle."
Yup, that’s fake. Not going to back down on calling that fake article fake. It’s fake. You can say “the language in it could allow for an interpretation as such…” but you can’t just say “this is what’s going to happen”. It’s fake. And defending fake bullshit like that is why social media is 99% fake articles.
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I’m 100% in agreement with you. I can’t see anything in the original amendment that is likely to lead to any of the claims in the article unless the schools were advertising themselves by saying “learn how to beat up a muslim”.
Oh, and Ilhan Omar is an idiot, hypocrite extremist, and people should have called her out more. She’s a disgrace. I just wanted to address that as well.
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No, I’m just seeing them for what they are – I said “500” – but according to wikipedia, all the Nazi-types in the USA could muster after much organization and effort and time was “about 250” — they’re a nothing.
Sure, they’re abhorrent. But they have literally no political voice. They’re no threat. They don’t have numbers, money, or connections.
The antisemitic left, however, has such real power that the Democrat Speaker of the House can’t call them on their bullshit.
Go be Jewish on a college campus in the USA. It’s not neo-Nazis that you will have to watch out for.
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My entire family and extended family are college and grad school graduates of US schools. None of them experienced any anti-semitism, and I find it laughable to imagine that if they did, it would be at the hands of tree-hugging pussy liberals. Not even sure how you know everyone’s political affiliation based off of split-second interactions.
The liberal problems I see on campuses are just loud mouthed liberals who don’t want anybody else to have an opinion. But the anti-semitism, I haven’t seen. I went to college too, at an EXTREMELY liberal school. If anyone had been yelling anti-Jewish sentiments they’d have been thrown out immediately. There was no tolerance for stuff like that. I’m deeply sorry you’ve experienced that bullshit though.
Yes, many of the claims are hyperbole. However, all it would take is a jury to be convinced, to whatever the standard is in this case, that the instructor/owner was aware that ______ person intended to “employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder” and said instructor/owner is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony.
In a country where people are in jail for holding small amounts of marijuana, I don’t’ think it’s that much of a stretch.
It’s really the law that’s the issue. The amendment is also dumb, imo, but it’s not like people are out drilling/marching that often…
Technically possible, but I think pretty unlikely. Having said that, if it’s so unlikely to prove knowledge, what is the purpose of the law?