Video Evidence of Thermite Cutting at 9/11

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong here (and I could well be, as I haven’t studied it as rigourously as others), but didn’t the US Government claim to find Mohammad Atta’s passport at ground zero shortly after the planes hit? Amazing it survived the fiery wreckage.

I also remember reading that the only contents of Atta’s car left at Boston airport were a Koran and an Arabic flight manual. Why would he have that in his car? Was he “cramming” before the big event? The attack involved flying jumbo jets into skyscrapers with surgical precision, and even tilting the wings before impact to maximize the amount of jet fuel that would come into contact with the towers. The hijacker had considerable flight expertise…probably not the types who would pore over a flight manual in their glovebox at the last minute. It does seem remarkably convenient to find these books in his car.

I do agree that keeping a conspiracy like this “under wraps” would be nearly impossible for the government to accomplish, but just because somebody questions the events of 9/11 doesn’t automatically make them a delusional moron. There are valid points to be made for both sides…[/quote]

All bogus, after 9/11 an E-mail went around saying a camera was recovered in the remains and this picture was on the roll. Obvious bullshit.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

Another point is your first video is very misleading. It shows portions of the WTC that were cut off at an angle using a blowtorch, in combination with a picture a linear shaped charge used in demolition placed at an angle. They are trying to give the impression that a shaped charge was used to cut that portion of the foundation off when there are photo’s on the web of those beams being cut with a torch.

debunking911.com - contact with domain owner | Epik.com [/quote]

Those guys who cut those beams with those torches must have put a big ass carpenters triangle up there first to get a perfectly straight 45 degrees huh. Chalk line and all.[/quote]

http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/MSE2094_NoteBook/97ClassProj/exper/bailey/www/bailey.html

Heating the steel to the temperature they saw during the fire, you would expect a ductile failure mode. As you can see from the link above (or if you had ANY ENGINEERING experiance). Metals failing due to a tensile load and ductile in nature, you would expect a 45 degree shear angle. I break bars all day long and they always fail this way.

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I think we’re getting confused because professors have been on record stating that the buildings couldn’t have fallen that quickly unless predisposed to some procedures. They have masters degrees and are unbias unlike a spokesman for the government. Also, it doesn’t take hundreds of people to pull shit off. Departmentalization and the pyramid structures of organizations take care of that. Only those at the top know what’s going on and everyone below follows orders.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
I think we’re getting confused because professors have been on record stating that the buildings couldn’t have fallen that quickly unless predisposed to some procedures. They have masters degrees and are unbias unlike a spokesman for the government. Also, it doesn’t take hundreds of people to pull shit off. Departmentalization and the pyramid structures of organizations take care of that. Only those at the top know what’s going on and everyone below follows orders. [/quote]

All the workers laying in blast cord and explosives to a functioning building then witnessing them fall down wouldn’t know what’s going on? That is about the dumbest thing I’ve heard.

And PLEASE cite these professors.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And PLEASE cite these professors.[/quote]

How does Google remain a mystery to some of you?

9/11 Commission Report Questioned by 100 Professors - List of professors
http://www.ae911truth.org/ - Architects and Engineers for 911 truth
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report -pilots
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ - More pilots

That was hard.

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And PLEASE cite these professors.[/quote]

How does Google remain a mystery to some of you?

9/11 Commission Report Questioned by 100 Professors - List of professors
http://www.ae911truth.org/ - Architects and Engineers for 911 truth
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report -pilots
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ - More pilots

That was hard.[/quote]

He was talking about specific professors claiming specific things. I asked him to cite it. There are very few in those links that make assertions anything like what he claimed and even fewer scientifically qualified ones. Most just don’t buy the official report and want an independent investigation.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And PLEASE cite these professors.[/quote]

How does Google remain a mystery to some of you?

9/11 Commission Report Questioned by 100 Professors - List of professors
http://www.ae911truth.org/ - Architects and Engineers for 911 truth
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report -pilots
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ - More pilots

That was hard.[/quote]

He was talking about specific professors claiming specific things. I asked him to cite it. There are very few in those links that make assertions anything like what he claimed and even fewer scientifically qualified ones. Most just don’t buy the official report and want an independent investigation.[/quote]

I don’t keep a journal of everything I watch sorry. How many different people do you need to explain to you what happened before you believe it? Are you one of those blind followers who will defend to the death the ideologies of your superiors just based on their word? You seem like a robot that just does what it’s told and never question anything.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And PLEASE cite these professors.[/quote]

How does Google remain a mystery to some of you?

9/11 Commission Report Questioned by 100 Professors - List of professors
http://www.ae911truth.org/ - Architects and Engineers for 911 truth
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report -pilots
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ - More pilots

That was hard.[/quote]

He was talking about specific professors claiming specific things. I asked him to cite it. There are very few in those links that make assertions anything like what he claimed and even fewer scientifically qualified ones. Most just don’t buy the official report and want an independent investigation.[/quote]

I don’t keep a journal of everything I watch sorry. How many different people do you need to explain to you what happened before you believe it? Are you one of those blind followers who will defend to the death the ideologies of your superiors just based on their word? You seem like a robot that just does what it’s told and never question anything. [/quote]

HAH! You need to go read some of my post history, I’m anything but a blind follower. And I actually wanted to read the evidence you were claiming.

Secondly I’m a practicing mechanical engineer who designs cranes. I have some knowledge of structural loading, design, and failure modes.

But if you are that curious I’ll let you know my take:

I think scientists/demolition experts/public officials are all full of it.

I think that there is way too much complexity in the building, the impact, and the collapse for engineers to be able to build a model with any sort of accuracy. It is simply too complicated with to many guessed at variables to model.

I think demolition experts don’t know either because nothing remotely resembling that building has ever been demolished, and they would have no earthly idea what the impact of an airplane would be on a building anyway.

And of coarse public officials are always full of it. It would not surprise me if there was a lot of BS and misleading crap in the 911 report. However, at the same time I believe the government is too incompetent to pull off something like this on purpose. I absolutely donâ??t believe they’d be able to keep it hushed up.

The only part of government involvement I would find reasonable is if maybe they purposely allowed it to happen. But Iâ??ve seen/heard no evidence of that.

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Point well taken. I too believe that the government couldn’t keep it quiet as they seem to fail at most activities. That’s why I’m having a hard time putting all this together. There’s all this evidence on both sides and I fear it will just be another JFK type deal. The government needs to be more transparent and let the public see and know more. Then again, that will be dismissed because of national security.

I do believe though that our government isn’t the most powerful entity in this country. The Fed Reserve is. And to make it clear for everybody the fed is not part of our government and is unconstitutional.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Point 1: Holy shit Bobby, they make window frames out of aluminum now? Well butter my biscuit!

Point 2: Holy shit Bobby, steel structures fail when you heat them up? Fail before melting point you say? Well butter my biscuit!

Point 3: Steel just fails after reaching critical load? You mean it doesn’t start to creak and buckle like timber? Well butter my biscuit!

Hyuck hyuck.[/quote]

You only get 2 biscuits since steel is ductile.

Btw, I found this documentary about 9/11 on youtube and it turns out it WAS an inside job so all you fake engineers/wanna be scientists can admit defeat now:

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Point 1: Holy shit Bobby, they make window frames out of aluminum now? Well butter my biscuit!

Point 2: Holy shit Bobby, steel structures fail when you heat them up? Fail before melting point you say? Well butter my biscuit!

Point 3: Steel just fails after reaching critical load? You mean it doesn’t start to creak and buckle like timber? Well butter my biscuit!

Hyuck hyuck.[/quote]

You only get 2 biscuits since steel is ductile.

[/quote]
??? That was his point. He still gets all 3 biscuits with their butter.

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In all honesty, I’d trade the biscuits for a steak.

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Still wondering why creme scene protocol was done away with…

Is that how it’s done now? Cops arrive at a murder scene, clean/disinfect everything, pick up any stained materials and put them on the curb for the garbage to pick up? Then pick the nearest looking questionable character and say he did it?

Damn, clearance rate is going to hit 100%! Why didn’t they do this years ago?

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not sure the govn’t could have pulled this off (alone).

but a lot of the evidence doesn’t add up. and the govn’t unwillingness to discuss this at large is questionable.