I think they will wear out the diplomatic options before any action is taken. I really hope they work. We’ll need to squeeze Russia and China hard before any diplomatic solution presents itself.
In the short term I don’t see a lot of activity on our part but I have no doubt the planning is happening everyday.
Aren’t we at war with Iran already? They supply most of the IEDs and other such stuff to the terrorists in Iraq. They openly support those who oppose the elected government.
Bomb the shit out of them.
I’d agree, the key to success without resorting to force is probably going to be serious cooperation with Russia and China.
Perhaps we should stop pissing them off by telling them how to run their own countries for a little while? I mean, we don’t have to approve of anything, but publicly annoying their leaders is not likely to get them to aid our efforts in this regard.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
…
maybe they should find a way for diplomacy to work this time?
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.[/quote]
shall we invade North Korea also?
both Iran and North Korea are intent on having nuclear arsenals…both are very anti-US…
most likely, neither will bow to political pressure…
how many countries can the US invade without spreading itself too thin?
shit, we can’t even protect our borders at home (something that terrorists are fully aware of I’m sure) and now we’re planning on an unavoidable imminent invasion of Iran?
if diplomacy will not work then the only real choice that won’t end up in a monumental cluster-fuck (at the present time) is special covert operations, not a full scale invasion…
[quote]DPH wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
…
maybe they should find a way for diplomacy to work this time?
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.
shall we invade North Korea also?
both Iran and North Korea are intent on having nuclear arsenals…both are very anti-US…
most likely, neither will bow to political pressure…
how many countries can the US invade without spreading itself too thin?
shit, we can’t even protect our borders at home (something that terrorists are fully aware of I’m sure) and now we’re planning on an unavoidable imminent invasion of Iran?
if diplomacy will not work then the only real choice that won’t end up in a monumental cluster-fuck (at the present time) is special covert operations, not a full scale invasion…[/quote]
What happened to the “fuck the world” attitude we used to have? I mean, America is the baddest and doesn’t need to kiss anyone’s ass, right? Screw diplomacy. We don’t need the UN or anyone else. Let’s just start war with everybody at the same time and settle this once and for all!!!
I see a draft coming. Either that or one drastic 180 degree turn around as far as diplomacy and public arrogance.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.[/quote]
Diplomacy won’t work with Bush in charge.
Bush doesn’t believe in diplomacy, he thinks it’s ineffective and he doesn’t put much stock in it, and so his administration is terminally weak in this area.
Diplomacy with Iran would come down to buying them off on some level (Diplomacy means you gotta give something up to get something). The hardcore elements of the GOP base will never stand for Bush compromising with Iran.
Forget diplomacy under Bush, just hope he is out of office before he does anything else stupid, like opening another front on the Global War On Error
SUPPORT THE OOPS!
And to the younger guys- Do your calisthenics and your pushups, because there is not going to be military action in Iran without a draft, and you can see that the legions of Bush-lovers like JeffR aren’t going to stoop to putting on a uniform themselves.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
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maybe they should find a way for diplomacy to work this time?
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.[/quote]
Not that I support a nuclear Iran- I emphatically do not, but I think part, if not nearly all, of the reason Iran wants to secure nukes is to eliminate the possibility of an Iraq-style takeover of their country.
Having nuclear capabilities removes your country from all but the most remote chances of conventional warfare. Even the Shah’s (hopefully) aren’t quite crazy enough to use them.
Again, I do not support a nuclear Iran, but our public message of regime change, back channel rumors of war plans and the fiasco of Iraq seem to make it much more likely that Iran will develop nuclear weapons- we’re making them feel like they have to.
bradley,
Thanks for the nonsensical post.
However, if it comes to invasion, you might just get your wish to see me in uniform.
I know that I won’t be looking over at you.
You wouldn’t be able to pass the physical.
JeffR
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.
Diplomacy won’t work with Bush in charge.
…
[/quote]
You let your hate for Bush blind you. It is not the US leadership that is the problem. It is the Iranian leadership.
[quote]DPH wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
…
maybe they should find a way for diplomacy to work this time?
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.
shall we invade North Korea also?
both Iran and North Korea are intent on having nuclear arsenals…both are very anti-US…
most likely, neither will bow to political pressure…
how many countries can the US invade without spreading itself too thin?
shit, we can’t even protect our borders at home (something that terrorists are fully aware of I’m sure) and now we’re planning on an unavoidable imminent invasion of Iran?
if diplomacy will not work then the only real choice that won’t end up in a monumental cluster-fuck (at the present time) is special covert operations, not a full scale invasion…[/quote]
You watch too many movies.
What a surprise, more tough posturing with no action from Jeff.
Good work patrolling the internet, Rambo.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
…
maybe they should find a way for diplomacy to work this time?
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.
shall we invade North Korea also?
both Iran and North Korea are intent on having nuclear arsenals…both are very anti-US…
most likely, neither will bow to political pressure…
how many countries can the US invade without spreading itself too thin?
shit, we can’t even protect our borders at home (something that terrorists are fully aware of I’m sure) and now we’re planning on an unavoidable imminent invasion of Iran?
if diplomacy will not work then the only real choice that won’t end up in a monumental cluster-fuck (at the present time) is special covert operations, not a full scale invasion…
You watch too many movies.[/quote]
naw…I hardly ever watch movies…
now if you said I eat too many little debbie snack cakes, then I’d have to agree…
[quote]ExNole wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
…
maybe they should find a way for diplomacy to work this time?
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.
Not that I support a nuclear Iran- I emphatically do not, but I think part, if not nearly all, of the reason Iran wants to secure nukes is to eliminate the possibility of an Iraq-style takeover of their country.
Having nuclear capabilities removes your country from all but the most remote chances of conventional warfare. Even the Shah’s (hopefully) aren’t quite crazy enough to use them.
Again, I do not support a nuclear Iran, but our public message of regime change, back channel rumors of war plans and the fiasco of Iraq seem to make it much more likely that Iran will develop nuclear weapons- we’re making them feel like they have to.[/quote]
Iran has been chasing nukes for over 20 years. This has nothing to do with our current policies.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ExNole wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
DPH wrote:
…
maybe they should find a way for diplomacy to work this time?
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.
Not that I support a nuclear Iran- I emphatically do not, but I think part, if not nearly all, of the reason Iran wants to secure nukes is to eliminate the possibility of an Iraq-style takeover of their country.
Having nuclear capabilities removes your country from all but the most remote chances of conventional warfare. Even the Shah’s (hopefully) aren’t quite crazy enough to use them.
Again, I do not support a nuclear Iran, but our public message of regime change, back channel rumors of war plans and the fiasco of Iraq seem to make it much more likely that Iran will develop nuclear weapons- we’re making them feel like they have to.
Iran has been chasing nukes for over 20 years. This has nothing to do with our current policies.[/quote]
Everybody has been chasing nukes- But we’re certainly not going to convince them otherwise if it looks like we’re jumping at the bit to invade them.
[quote]ExNole wrote:
Having nuclear capabilities removes your country from all but the most remote chances of conventional warfare. Even the Shah’s (hopefully) aren’t quite crazy enough to use them.
[/quote]
it’s actually the mullahs/ayatolla. a shah is a king.the mullahs are pretty damn crazy my friend.being an American/Iranian, i have heard plenty to support that.
it would appear that we need to get used to Iran being a nuclear power. sorry, there is gonna be another country sitting atop the pedistal.it sure is getting crowded up here.it’s tough shit really, what else can we do, fight everybody? not gonna happen so forget about it. we just have to make space for other countries as they climb out of their pit’s of despair.did you really think the rest of the world would just stay in the shadows? come on now, it’s evolution.i am just suprised we were able to hold them down this long. well it was fun while it lasted.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
bradley,
Thanks for the nonsensical post.
However, if it comes to invasion, you might just get your wish to see me in uniform.
I know that I won’t be looking over at you.
You wouldn’t be able to pass the physical.
JeffR
[/quote]
What are you waiting for Jeff? You had your chance to enlist after the Iraq invasion.
Or did you have “other priorities”? Like your great leaders had before you?
And will you still have “other priorities” when the next chance to become a fighting patriot arises?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Diplomacy won’t work. Iran fully intends on securing nukes. They will not be talked out of it.
Don’t kid yourself.
Diplomacy won’t work with Bush in charge.
…
You let your hate for Bush blind you. It is not the US leadership that is the problem. It is the Iranian leadership.
[/quote]
Better advice would be: “don’t let Bush blind you”. The boy is crying wolf again. The world is not impressed.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Same question: What do we do?
It isn’t enough to say “Bush screwed it up.”
What would YOU do?
JeffR
[/quote]
I wouldn’t have lied to get a war going against Iraq.
That’s what I would have done.
reckless,
I’m sorry. I just cannot take you seriously.
If I were you, instead of hurling rocks at your superiors, I’d spend my time making my country into something other than a pleasant stroll for invading armies.
Oh, there was the Belgian Congo, but that’s probably not something you want to talk about. bula matadi, Mr. leopold?!?
In summary, why don’t you contribute something positive to the history of the world (other than a nice waffle). It would be so much easier to take you seriously.
JeffR