US to Attack Iran End of March

steveo5801 · February 9, 2006, 10:22pm

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

To compare the actions of the US with the actions of Nazi Germany is the height of idiocy.

The actions of the USA are exactly what the actions of Nazi Germany was as far as propoganda goes (not intention).

Hitler wasn’t going around telling everyone “hey, we’re going to attack the world! unprovoked!” … when they attacked Poland, they told the people of Germany that the Polish opened fire on the Germans. How the heck would the average German know any different? And dissenters were locked up doesn’t hurt.

Personally I don’t know why Iran doesn’t just buy some nukes. Why do they want to build their own? waste of time.

“The UN Security Council will put sanctions on Iran likely”

China. Russia. Veto. No sanctions.

[/quote]

Hey Zap,

In the words of our Great President Ronald Wilson Reagan…“well, there they go again!”

Now Magarhe,

U.S.A. = Nazi Germany ???

Are you ******* kidding me???

USA “propaganda” – what world are you living in?

Who taught you history – perhaps you were on drugs during history class, hmmm?

For your information, Nazi Germany sought to rule the world by force. Name one country we ever occupied and stayed there in order to rule over them?

The United States of American, under President George W. Bush just liberated 50 million Iraqi’s from a ruthless dictator. Tell the mothers of all those Iraqis over there that were butchered and killed by Sadaam and his two evil sons. Try telling the average Iraqi that the USA is like Hitler!

Why don’t you people get it? These rogue countries – Iran, Syria, North Korea, etc. cannot be allowed to get nuclear arms no matter what.

Do you ever think what would have happend if Israel didn’t take out Iraq’s nuclear capability way back in the early 80’s? Oh, that’s right, you probably think that Israel acted like Nazis too? Right?

Now, here is my suggestion to you. I’ll spell this really s l o w l y so you can get it:

       T   H   I   N   K   !!!

bigflamer · February 10, 2006, 9:06am

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
“The UN Security Council will put sanctions on Iran likely”

China. Russia. Veto. No sanctions.[/quote]

Which is exactly why the UN is a laughing stock of a joke. Nations will serve their own interests first, even when serving on a body of nations that’s supposed to “better humanity”.

Why do you think that France, Germany, and Russia didn’t want us to go into Iraq? The answer is that they were too busy serving their own self interests! President Bush did go to the UN security council prior to the invasion and he asked them to sack up and enforce their own sanctions like their supposed to or we would take care of the problem. Guess what? They didn’t, and President Bush followed through on his promise to the UN.

All one needs to do is take a look at who the UN appoints to some of their commisions. The UN is a fucking joke and we should be out of it right now. I think George Washington said it best:

[i]Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company.

'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances, with any portion of the foreign world–so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it.

-George Washington[/i]

carter12 · February 10, 2006, 9:51am

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

Which is exactly why the UN is a laughing stock of a joke. Nations will serve their own interests first, even when serving on a body of nations that’s supposed to “better humanity”.

[/quote]

You’re right. Every country must serve their own interest before everyone else’s.

But do you honestly believe that having no alliances would be more beneficial to the USA? Sure, it can be argued that the UN fails to act in situations where it should. But isn’t the threat of all of the world’s strongest countries raining down fire and fury upon countries that get too out of hand a good enough reason to maintain the UN?

bigflamer · February 10, 2006, 11:32am

[quote]carter12 wrote:
bigflamer wrote:

Which is exactly why the UN is a laughing stock of a joke. Nations will serve their own interests first, even when serving on a body of nations that’s supposed to “better humanity”.

You’re right. Every country must serve their own interest before everyone else’s.

But do you honestly believe that having no alliances would be more beneficial to the USA? Sure, it can be argued that the UN fails to act in situations where it should. But isn’t the threat of all of the world’s strongest countries raining down fire and fury upon countries that get too out of hand a good enough reason to maintain the UN?
[/quote]

I think that what is most dangerous to the US is our permanent alliances that we’re involved in. Pat Buchanan’s book “A Republic Not An Empire” does a really good job of illustrating and laying out all of the war gaurantees that presidents of both parties have entered the US into. As Buchanan say’s “our country has handed out war gaurantee’s like white house souveniers”, I really think that this is not a good situation for the US to be in.

I believe that nations could come together and do good things without having to get the “chop” of the UN and their many levels of beuracracy. I recommend everyone get a copy of “Broken Promises: The United Nations at 60”.

The United Nations is a failure of extreme proportions IMO.

Magarhe · February 13, 2006, 9:10am

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

To compare the actions of the US with the actions of Nazi Germany is the height of idiocy.

The actions of the USA are exactly what the actions of Nazi Germany was as far as propoganda goes (not intention).

Hitler wasn’t going around telling everyone “hey, we’re going to attack the world! unprovoked!” … when they attacked Poland, they told the people of Germany that the Polish opened fire on the Germans. How the heck would the average German know any different? And dissenters were locked up doesn’t hurt.

Personally I don’t know why Iran doesn’t just buy some nukes. Why do they want to build their own? waste of time.

“The UN Security Council will put sanctions on Iran likely”

China. Russia. Veto. No sanctions.

Hey Zap,

In the words of our Great President Ronald Wilson Reagan…“well, there they go again!”

Now Magarhe,

U.S.A. = Nazi Germany ???

Are you ******* kidding me???

USA “propaganda” – what world are you living in?

Who taught you history – perhaps you were on drugs during history class, hmmm?

For your information, Nazi Germany sought to rule the world by force. Name one country we ever occupied and stayed there in order to rule over them?

The United States of American, under President George W. Bush just liberated 50 million Iraqi’s from a ruthless dictator. Tell the mothers of all those Iraqis over there that were butchered and killed by Sadaam and his two evil sons. Try telling the average Iraqi that the USA is like Hitler!

Why don’t you people get it? These rogue countries – Iran, Syria, North Korea, etc. cannot be allowed to get nuclear arms no matter what.

Do you ever think what would have happend if Israel didn’t take out Iraq’s nuclear capability way back in the early 80’s? Oh, that’s right, you probably think that Israel acted like Nazis too? Right?

Now, here is my suggestion to you. I’ll spell this really s l o w l y so you can get it:

       T   H   I   N   K   !!![/quote]

Steveo you have not got a clue what you are talking about here.

USA was very close to JOINING Hitler in WW2. That’s right, siding with the Nazis.

After WW2 the USA moved in specialists to capture and work with Nazi scientists to learn what they learnt from torturing people, and to continue torturing people.

And you have overdosed on recent propaganda.

I think you better go and do some learnin’.

I am serious - you don’t know what you are talking about.

I am not going to sit here for hours on end re-educating you. But you have a serious hole in your education and you don’t even know it. And that is scary because THAT is what happens in a country with controlled media. You’re fed a belief and you filter out, ignore and argue against anything that opposes that belief.

I am NOT saying the USA is like Nazi Germany, not back then, and not now. USA could be if they wanted to be, but I think the overall intentions are at least half-noble, if not ill-advised or tainted by some self interest.

Steveo, I am not trying to start an arguement here - seriously, go out and learn some recent history.

bigflamer · February 13, 2006, 9:39am

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
USA was very close to JOINING Hitler in WW2. That’s right, siding with the Nazis.

After WW2 the USA moved in specialists to capture and work with Nazi scientists to learn what they learnt from torturing people, and to continue torturing people.

And you have overdosed on recent propaganda.[/quote]

I would like to see you back this shit up. I know it’s been said that as sick as it is, the nazi’s actually learned alot from the the torture of the jews. But this is the first I’ve heard of the US going in after the war and continuing the torture.

This is certainly the first time I’ve heard of the US considering siding with the Nazi’s. I’m definitely not the most learned individual in the world, however this sounds like a bullshit flag is in order.

Of course you could always prove me wrong and back this shit up.

Magarhe · February 13, 2006, 10:52am

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
USA was very close to JOINING Hitler in WW2. That’s right, siding with the Nazis.

After WW2 the USA moved in specialists to capture and work with Nazi scientists to learn what they learnt from torturing people, and to continue torturing people.

And you have overdosed on recent propaganda.

I would like to see you back this shit up. I know it’s been said that as sick as it is, the nazi’s actually learned alot from the the torture of the jews. But this is the first I’ve heard of the US going in after the war and continuing the torture.

This is certainly the first time I’ve heard of the US considering siding with the Nazi’s. I’m definitely not the most learned individual in the world, however this sounds like a bullshit flag is in order.

Of course you could always prove me wrong and back this shit up.

[/quote]

bigflamer, I DON’T HAVE TO BACK IT UP. GET off your ass and look for it yourself. I am not going to spoon feed you to make up for the inadequate education system and controlled media. You have the internet sitting right in front of you - DIG DEEPER. You don’t even have to dig that deep.

Read this. Don’t like it? Read the entire thing, chase up the footnotes. Unlike the fliff flaff you’ve been fed, it has footnotes to follow up.

Here is something on operation paperclip.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_42_39/ai_108838279

I am sorry if my posts sound angry: the reason is this. I KNOW you are well intentioned. I think 95% of Americans are good people with good intentions. When I see something deliberately misleading being said, and worse, being believed, it really gets my goat. It is the 5% jerks who are manipulating things for their own agendas.

Don’t assume that just because it isn’t commonly known that it isn’t true. These things are shouted down in the media.

Also I agree, they made some incredible breakthroughs in their experiments in WW2, especially in bloodwork.

You think I am mad about this, get me started on Japan and WW2. In Japan, WW2 never happened. IT is not taught in schools. You are not allowed to teach it. It is edited out of history books. There are some who go around in vans trying to tell people about it, but they get arrested.

Now, try rewriting that history in Germany and see what happens.

Magarhe · February 13, 2006, 11:29am

Sorry to post so much, here is something else worth reading

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/05/11/far05001.html

I haven’t seen that buzzflash site before, but from the brief look I had through it, it seems to have some integrity.

Here is something on Iraq an interview with Ritter. He was going nuts before the invasion and nobody would listen to him, even though of all people, he would know.

P L E A S E do NOT confuse the fact that I want people to know the facts, with thinking that I am necessarily “liberal” or whatever. I’ve seen a lot of posters take anything that looks like opposition to immediately mean some kind of polar opposite.

For example, I am not particularly against the move on Iraq, just the reasons for it, and the real agenda, and the fact that it should be way down on the to do list after protecting America, disaster recovery, humanitarian invasions to actually help people who are actually dying in the tens of thousands right now and being ignored, and providing Americans with healthcare and steady economic development and education. I am not a democrat, I just think those are important things to do.

What was the topic again? oh yeah, let’s invade Iran. Now there is an important move.

Norwell_Bob · February 13, 2006, 12:03pm

Seems like he’s stereotyping Americans. Evidently we’re all wife-beating Texans.

Wish somebody’d told me sooner.

[quote]redfreddy wrote:
Judas wrote:

Chuck throw another stake on the bbq and slap sherley for me will you i think where almost done here gaaa heerrt

What the hell is this guy talking about?

[/quote]

vroom · February 13, 2006, 12:33pm

Money and greed create strange bedfellows…

Brutus35 · February 13, 2006, 12:39pm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran.htm

bigflamer · February 13, 2006, 2:05pm

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
USA was very close to JOINING Hitler in WW2. That’s right, siding with the Nazis.

After WW2 the USA moved in specialists to capture and work with Nazi scientists to learn what they learnt from torturing people, and to continue torturing people.

And you have overdosed on recent propaganda.

I would like to see you back this shit up. I know it’s been said that as sick as it is, the nazi’s actually learned alot from the the torture of the jews. But this is the first I’ve heard of the US going in after the war and continuing the torture.

This is certainly the first time I’ve heard of the US considering siding with the Nazi’s. I’m definitely not the most learned individual in the world, however this sounds like a bullshit flag is in order.

Of course you could always prove me wrong and back this shit up.

bigflamer, I DON’T HAVE TO BACK IT UP. GET off your ass and look for it yourself. I am not going to spoon feed you to make up for the inadequate education system and controlled media. You have the internet sitting right in front of you - DIG DEEPER. You don’t even have to dig that deep.

Read this. Don’t like it? Read the entire thing, chase up the footnotes. Unlike the fliff flaff you’ve been fed, it has footnotes to follow up.

Here is something on operation paperclip.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_42_39/ai_108838279

I am sorry if my posts sound angry: the reason is this. I KNOW you are well intentioned. I think 95% of Americans are good people with good intentions. When I see something deliberately misleading being said, and worse, being believed, it really gets my goat. It is the 5% jerks who are manipulating things for their own agendas.

Don’t assume that just because it isn’t commonly known that it isn’t true. These things are shouted down in the media.

Also I agree, they made some incredible breakthroughs in their experiments in WW2, especially in bloodwork.

You think I am mad about this, get me started on Japan and WW2. In Japan, WW2 never happened. IT is not taught in schools. You are not allowed to teach it. It is edited out of history books. There are some who go around in vans trying to tell people about it, but they get arrested.

Now, try rewriting that history in Germany and see what happens.[/quote]

Hey Magarhe, why don’t you lick me where I shit.

I offered you a chance to prove me wrong and you took a pass. Run along now and darken some other thread.

You’re a joke.

redfreddy · February 13, 2006, 2:49pm

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
bigflamer, I DON’T HAVE TO BACK IT UP. GET off your ass and look for it yourself. I am not going to spoon feed you to make up for the inadequate education system and controlled media. You have the internet sitting right in front of you - DIG DEEPER. You don’t even have to dig that deep.
[/quote]

Not going to spoonfeed us? But, Magarhe, who will show us uneducated and brainwashed Americans the light?!

Zap_Branigan · February 13, 2006, 3:00pm

[quote]Magarhe wrote:

Steveo you have not got a clue what you are talking about here.

USA was very close to JOINING Hitler in WW2. That’s right, siding with the Nazis.
…
[/quote]

Bullshit. There were some isolationists, there were some anti-communists and there were some that were actually sympathetic to the Nazis but the US was NEVER close to joining Hitler.

You are so wrong it is amazing.

Jimmy_T · February 13, 2006, 6:44pm

[quote]redfreddy wrote:
Judas wrote:

Chuck throw another stake on the bbq and slap sherley for me will you i think where almost done here gaaa heerrt

What the hell is this guy talking about?

[/quote]
That’s all from down under,where they don’t have to worry about the fallout in the walk about.It’s so pathetic.

anon31651765 · February 13, 2006, 6:56pm

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
USA was very close to JOINING Hitler in WW2. That’s right, siding with the Nazis.

After WW2 the USA moved in specialists to capture and work with Nazi scientists to learn what they learnt from torturing people, and to continue torturing people.

And you have overdosed on recent propaganda.

I would like to see you back this shit up. I know it’s been said that as sick as it is, the nazi’s actually learned alot from the the torture of the jews. But this is the first I’ve heard of the US going in after the war and continuing the torture.

This is certainly the first time I’ve heard of the US considering siding with the Nazi’s. I’m definitely not the most learned individual in the world, however this sounds like a bullshit flag is in order.

Of course you could always prove me wrong and back this shit up.

bigflamer, I DON’T HAVE TO BACK IT UP. GET off your ass and look for it yourself. I am not going to spoon feed you to make up for the inadequate education system and controlled media. You have the internet sitting right in front of you - DIG DEEPER. You don’t even have to dig that deep.

Read this. Don’t like it? Read the entire thing, chase up the footnotes. Unlike the fliff flaff you’ve been fed, it has footnotes to follow up.

Here is something on operation paperclip.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_42_39/ai_108838279

I am sorry if my posts sound angry: the reason is this. I KNOW you are well intentioned. I think 95% of Americans are good people with good intentions. When I see something deliberately misleading being said, and worse, being believed, it really gets my goat. It is the 5% jerks who are manipulating things for their own agendas.

Don’t assume that just because it isn’t commonly known that it isn’t true. These things are shouted down in the media.

Also I agree, they made some incredible breakthroughs in their experiments in WW2, especially in bloodwork.

You think I am mad about this, get me started on Japan and WW2. In Japan, WW2 never happened. IT is not taught in schools. You are not allowed to teach it. It is edited out of history books. There are some who go around in vans trying to tell people about it, but they get arrested.

Now, try rewriting that history in Germany and see what happens.

[/quote]

Very interesting articles Magar.

However, I think FDR was such a leftist that America would have never gone in on the side of Hitler.

Yet I have heard that Hitler, had he stopped after annexing Austria, he would have been considered the greatest German statesmen of his time, maybe in history.

You can’t trust the history books on everything. I could see corporations not minding a super-capitalist Hitler being in charge of Europe.

doogie · March 31, 2006, 10:58am

Well?

jlesk68 · March 31, 2006, 11:50am

[quote]doogie wrote:
Well?[/quote]

HAARP?

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

Iran Hit by Magnitude 5.7 Quake; 66 Killed, 988 Hurt (Update1)

March 31 (Bloomberg) – At least 66 people died and 988 others were hurt when an earthquake hit Iran’s western Lorestan province, the official Islamic Republic News Agency said.

The magnitude 5.7 quake struck at 4:47 a.m. local time today, the U.S. Geological Survey said on its Web site. The epicenter was about 45 kilometers (28 miles) east-northeast of Khorramabad, a city of more than 270,000 people, and at a depth of 10 kilometers, the agency said. The area is about 335 kilometers southwest of the capital, Tehran.

All the villages in the Dasht Silakhor region were affected by the quake, with the damage ranging from 30 percent of the buildings in some locations to total destruction in others, the head of Lorestan’s Natural Disasters Headquarters, Ali Barani, was cited by IRNA as saying. The region lies between the epicenter and the cities of Borujerd and Dorud.

Iran, where three of the Earth’s plates meet, is one of the world’s most seismically active areas. The country has been hit by eight ``significant’’ quakes since 1997, according to the USGS. Among the worst was a magnitude 6.6 earthquake that struck the city of Bam in December 2003, killing 40,000 people.

Today’s quake was moderate,'' the fourth level on the seven-step scale of earthquake size, the USGS said. At the top of the scale are the great’’ quakes, with magnitudes of at least 8.

The victims of the quake include 45 people from Borujerd and 21 from Dorud, the chancellor of Lorestan University of Medical Sciences, Dr. Qodratollah Shams Khorramabadi, told IRNA.

Officials are calling for the immediate shipment of food, blankets, tents, heaters and medical supplies to Lorestan, IRNA said. Television footage aired by al-Jazeera showed survivors digging through the rubble of their mud-brick homes.

Two smaller quakes struck the area later today, the first at a magnitude of 4.7 and the next at 4.9, USGS said.

doogie · March 31, 2006, 12:01pm

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
doogie wrote:
Well?