US Presidential Election Predictions

You are getting into nuances and arguments that I only understand broadly, @treco…so whether you have a valid “augment” or not, I have no idea.

What I DO know (broadly) is that Elections and Voting is left up to the States. What leeway they have within the confines of the Constitution I have no idea.

My guess? Is that these AG’s and/or election officials (many of whom are Republican)…are not running around trying all in their power to trample on the United States Constitution.

Again…I have no idea.

This would be my guess…

(But it is only a guess…)

You should ask Texas - which changed election laws outside of legislative action.

It’s a clown show.

That’s because it is handled by the state, in the state, and no state has been found to have violated the rule.

But even if State A arguably did violate the rule, State B has no injury from it. Only people within State A itself would arguably have such an injury.

Well they’ve already practically split the GOP between sane and conspiracy minded. They’re doing what most rich people do: find an advantage and exploit it. I don’t have a problem with this concept in general since it’s what underpins success in all walks of life (business, sports, even science). And I’m not the type of person that gets up in arms about how rich Musk or Bezos is.

In this case though, it’s long term damage to the party if that happens. I do not believe it’s in the best interests of the country for either party to have total control, and this bothers me because I think it pushes the democrats forward. To put it in your terms, sane GOP policies prevents a “uniparty”.

I’m not sure. I mean in some sense probably, as the arc of history has shown that generally countries don’t reverse leftward slides unless it is all the way round the bend to ACTUAL right wing fascism etc. Which is essentially no different.

But I don’t want that slide, and I don’t consider “slowing down” to be a valid position. That’s just like the democrats saying “we’re against Trump”. Well great, what are you FOR? “Well we’re against the Orange man!” Ok, but that’s not the same thing as standing for something.

Youre certainly right that it wouldn’t be feasible to say out loud.

Thank goodness for that. To me the precedent for even bringing this suit forward is appalling. I don’t care if it’s dismissed, the fact that someone, anyone - especially an AG - would do this is mind-blowing.

No doubt. I’ve never hidden my distaste about them. I think the key is at least most of those list items aren’t really what I would see as party planks for the Dems. Hence why I don’t want the general slide left in policy to continue. But yeah, definitely correct.

You are easily the most important person in the steak food chain!

I want to be really clear for my part - my ire is directed at the party leadership and congressional reps. Absolutely not in any way directed at the mass of people who voted for Trump. If you came to a different conclusion reading my posts then I am very sorry.

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I am not sure either. Never sure about much really. You are correct in that we could go right as well. We have moved right it seems since Regan (or not moved as far left as other 1st world countries)? We could also stay about where we are.

I do think over time, that a few traditional ideas (anti abortion, anti gay rights, strict drug enforcement) will dwindle in popularity if religion continues to decline. Those ideas have driven conservative votes for some time now.

I am for fiscal responsibility. If the GoP can be consistent on that (including when they are in charge), they could regain support from people like me. Until that happens, I’ll probably be supporting DEMs (I am libertarian in regards to personal liberties), and both seem to spend the same (and I think the DEM spending might actually be better, not just tax cuts that seem to not help the needy all that much).

So there is nothing to worry about? People aren’t drawing lines in the sand? Nothing fundamentally is changing?
What about this? Who do you think this is targeting? How many videos are there about the ‘Russian election meddling’ and yet those who dare question the results of this election get banned?

Are these just one-offs on the fringes?

Perhaps. Perhaps it’s paranoia, or butt-hurtedness, maybe I am just dull. But if it’s so indistinct and not a problem, why did Obama have to weigh in? These aren’t just nobodies doing this. High profile democrats have called for this.
Texas is threatening succession now. States are filing lawsuits against other states and the accusations aren’t trivial.
I swore off a ‘normalcy bias’ after this year because all these things that I never thought would happen have happened.
Conservatives are being targeted by MSM, social media\ Big Tech and high level politicians. Your ‘It could never happen here’ bias informs you that this is all crazy talk, but the talk is getting even crazier and our speech is being eroded.

Here’s the question. What avenues, mechanisms do we have to resolve disputes, problems, differences between people?
What mechanisms remain, when they take your speech?
I hope I am crazy and I hope I am the wrongest I could possibly be, because the price of being right is very high.

I use all kinds of sources. What sources should I use? The NYT is garbage, CNN is so bad it’s got a reputation for lying, Washington Post is trash. The list of left-wing propaganda is long. I cannot always pull sources from your echo chamber, your echo chamber suppresses stories. You know, like the whole Hunter Biden thing with China that’s apparently no big deal, except Hunter mess up on his taxes so now it’s a big deal.

One party rule!
You wouldn’t know what a ‘founder’ is muchless who they were and what they wanted if they kicked you in the dick. But I agree you should be a democrat, this is the kind of stupidity that defines the DNC.

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Probably the latter. We are noticeably more left than the 90s or the 80s (pop culture stereotypes notwithstanding). It’s been a consistent move, the difference being that Europe has moved farther and faster.

This goes to the “uniparty” label that I used earlier and stole from someone else on here (can’t remember who).

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@Pat

Are you suggesting that what is going on now is “merely” questioning some voting irregularities? (far from it); that the Russians were not heavily involved in the 2016 elections (no one credible is disputing that)…and in someway the Right is being stifled to express whatever they wish to express? (To this I call bullshit…)

Do they promise to take Jerry Jones and the Cowboys with them?

What is being targeted is misinformation, and in many cases, straight out lies.

You know this story has been headlines on all the MSM you disparage all day yesterday and today. I received push notifications from all of them, even local outlets. So maybe they aren’t the liars.

You are the cunt-faced liar and you wouldn’t know reality or truth if it kicked you where your dick used to be.

This. (Is was one of the lead stories on CBS).

Where the hell did you get the idea I said or implied any of that? That’s literally nowhere in my posts. Ever.

Seriously man, it’s like you didn’t even read my post or something. You just made up some sort of opinion you wanted me to have and then responded to the nonsense I never said.

Texas has been threatening secession for about a hundred years or more. Like the seasons change.

Along with Northern California (From the rest of California).

They probably have more valid reasons than Texas.

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