No, its not anti-American. It is the truth. People have been coming here to learn since at least WWII…how is that anti-American? We have always accepted the international community with open arms to help further our own efforts.[/quote]
Which is quite a different tone than ‘getting them to do our dirty work’. Still, you give the impression that the only great technological innovations made in the US in the last 50 yrs. were predominantly the work of foreign nationals, which is entirely untrue.
If I wanted another lecture on technology and innovation in the United States I’d go talk to my patent attorney, or have my employer pay for a seminar, but thanks for the refresher.
This doesn’t change the issue at hand. It’s not like Denmark suddenly and meaningfully started “out-publishing” or “out-innovating” the US, France, Germany, Japan, or China, unless the WEF has instituted some sort of wicked ‘impact factor’ that leads to something like ‘functional technology’.
And if that’s true we end up with a case where they’re not the largest producer, fastest growing, earliest adopting, most heavily invested, most permeated etc. but some retarded number like most innovators per capita or some other meaninglessly arbitrary “value”.
No doubt the US is not the innovator it once was (especially since the world is more ‘free’ than it used to be), but the WEF’s “Top Ten” list is no more indicative of that than Letterman’s.
There’s a reason why people aren’t going for science Ph.D’s nowadays.
You’ll spend 4 years in grad school making nothing to maybe a $20K a year if your lucky. After that you get to work through about 2 postdoc positions (~6 years) @ $30K - $40K. After that your salary could be anywhere from 50K to $110K, but you have to FIND A JOB first. Plus, biotech sucks. The typical job only last 2-3 years. It’s terribly unstable.
Compare this with someone who does a 2 year ADN out of high school. They’ll be starting out at $60K. This goes for law school, engineering, business, etc. also.
Science is not important to the US. It used to be. But it damn sure ain’t now.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
This doesn’t change the issue at hand. It’s not like Denmark suddenly and meaningfully started “out-publishing” or “out-innovating” the US, France, Germany, Japan, or China, unless the WEF has instituted some sort of wicked ‘impact factor’ that leads to something like ‘functional technology’.
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I never even addressed that issue. I was addressing Zap’s statement about how it’s about time Europe should finally start contributing to technology. Albeit, backwardly by stating how they already have been contributing by helping us.
I never said I believe that the US is faltering but meant to imply that it is a certainty if we do not change the course of events to prevent it. Namely in education.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
That would be all the corporate execs farming out all the jobs to india causing a decrease in demand. It is cheaper, but working in that environment I can tell you we are getting what we pay for, Crap. [/quote]
Yep. I spend all day de-shitifying outsourced code.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
lucasa wrote:
This doesn’t change the issue at hand. It’s not like Denmark suddenly and meaningfully started “out-publishing” or “out-innovating” the US, France, Germany, Japan, or China, unless the WEF has instituted some sort of wicked ‘impact factor’ that leads to something like ‘functional technology’.
I never even addressed that issue. I was addressing Zap’s statement about how it’s about time Europe should finally start contributing to technology. Albeit, backwardly by stating how they already have been contributing by helping us.
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Yup. It is about time Europe does it’s share. Since America is made up of immigrants I tend to see Europeans that leave the old country to come to America as Americans. Just like my grandfather.
In retrospect, we are the greatest innvaters ever. We created a completely new styl of government and a bomb so powerful the world cowers when it is used or threatened. Oh and I forgot to mention we’ve only used it twice and that’s all we’ve needed to.