University Faculty = Liberals?

[quote]OllyB wrote:
Also, on other politics boards I’ve posted on, I’ve noted that ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ are far too often used as pejoratives. They are not.

It’s far too generalising to think that a group of people identified as either have a fixed set of values or political ideology.[/quote]

Good job, stated like a true liberal!

I have never once met a person who wanted to admit that they were a liberal. Now…I know that some have done it before, but I have never known any to actually admit it, or even want to talk about it.

They just want to be liberal and never be called on it!

[quote]Lonnie Lowery wrote:
Just a quick interjection. There are in fact some of us who do both. That is, profs who “do” and “teach”.

It’s interesting to note, however, that many universities have conflict-of-interest or conflict-of-commitment regulations that largely prevent this duality. So you see, “do” vs. “teach” is not always an issue of competence but can be influenced (dictated?) by administrators. Commitment rules do have their place but they can also serve to segregate professors from the “real world”, as mentioned earlier.

Once upon a time, after taking two years off from teaching to get another couple of degrees and work in my chosen field, I was actually asked upon returning to academia: “Do you feel that your extended time away from academics will limit your ability to function as a professor here?” Limit me?! Ugh. Never was the Ivory Tower more evident to me than it was then.

So, liberal or conservative, there are those in academia who guard its separatism from the rest of society.

LL
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Just a quick comment here from the corporate-lawyer perspective. A lot of science profs end up having to leave their positions in order to start companies because of the whole “conflict of interest” thing Lonnie was talking about. They don’t get to keep one foot in the door to protect that Professor lifestyle (which really seems quite nice for someone who has tenure), so they really have to be both committed to their idea and sure of it to actually leave. To put it another way, the university ensures there is a significant opportunity cost involved.

Not that they can escape the reach of the university though – most universities have at least partial ownership of all the intellectual property their faculty develop. At least they do nowadays…

Of course, none of this applies to professors of feminist critique of post-Freudian sociological organizations or other such things. They couldn’t get jobs anywhere anyway…

[quote]OllyB wrote:
I agree completely. Shaw was more than a little conservative in his outlook :wink: After all, he thought that the Gulags in the USSR were a good thing![/quote]

I’m pretty sure you’re kidding, but the idea that it’s OK to sacrifice people for the greater good of communism and the victory of the proletariat isn’t really conservative…

I think it definitely affects certain disciplines more than others – and that’s borne out in the numbers. Engineering profs and economics profs have a greater chance of being conservatives than do literature professors who specialize in Feminist/Racist critique…

[quote]makkun wrote:
BB,

Too bad you expect negative comments only from the liberal side. Seems to go with the lately really unpleasant political bashings here.[/quote]

makkun,

I think I was misunderstood. I don’t really consider JustTheFacts to be a liberal. I consider him to be a conspiracy kook (sorry if that’s ad hominem, but I can’t think of a better description at the moment, and I’m not a psychologist). That kind of mentality can be found on the extreme edges of both the left and the right…

[quote]makkun wrote:
Hm, just musing what could be the reasons:
Are liberal families being more inclined to send their children into higher education and academic careers? Or could a liberal mindset be more open to new ideas - which is normally a prerequisite for scientific work? Any ideas?[/quote]

I think there are a few things at work. Firstly, I think that people with conservative beliefs are less likely to want to get further into the study of subjects that they view as dominated by liberal viewpoints. Subjects like literature, sociology, etc. can seem that way. Subjects like Ethnic Studies or Gay/Lesbian/Transgender Studies – I mean, come on…

When you analyze subjects like economics (at least microeconomics) or science, I don’t think many people attach a political perspective to the subject matter. However, I think that, in the aggregate, conservatives may be slightly more inclined by disposition to be in the private sector, which could account for the much smaller differentials one finds in those departments.

Also, I think we need to at least explore the possibility that in some fields, there is a bias against conservatives in hiring and other internal matters. In talking to a law professors I know who is on his school’s hiring committee, he is pretty certain that some other members vote against candidates in whom they see conservative political beliefs. He said it’s not a huge bias – a superstar candidate would likely be hired irrespective. But for someone just starting out who is looking for a junior position, who is competitive but also competing against someone else who has liberal views, this might sway the decision.

Finally, I think there is an inherent bias in the U.S. system toward liberal positions – but it is unintentional. That bias is the demand for “originality” in masters and doctoral theses. From what I understand, this is not required in the UK, at least in certain disciplines that have already been well covered, such as history or literature.

Because of this demand for originality, someone who examined Hamlet and wanted to write something to the effect of Hamlet was canonical and the greatest play in the English language, and maybe focus on Hamlet as representative of Shakespeare would probably not even get to write on that, whereas someone who wanted to speculate on whether Shakespeare was really gay and wrote from the female perspective would be able to do so if that were an original analysis.

This originality factor also contributes to the “hot area” bias in hiring. The “original analyses,” whether they have any basis in rational reality or not, will eventually build up a critical mass as more and more people write on them. They’re new and “hot,” and universities want to hire someone from the “hot” area in which they don’t have any representation, rather than hire a young economic historian when they have two old economic historians with tenure.

That’s my take anyway.

[quote]makkun wrote:

To be quite honest, I think that a certain mindset tends to go along with a certain job you do - army and police personnel I would expect to be more on the conservative side. [/quote]

I think that’s right.

[quote]makkun wrote:
What I could not see from the article was any systematic discrimination against conservatives. Surely that will happen as well, but I’m not convinced it is the norm. But on the other hand I don’t know unis in the US - my alma mater in Germany was very much on the conservative side.[/quote]

I don’t think the study will show any, because it doesn’t seem to be what they were trying to discern. It looks like they were just studying the political views of profs based on some survey data. They’d have to devise some other way of measuring hiring bias – very tricky to measure too (which is why the federal government basically relies on de facto quotas, i.e. looking to see how well the population in the area is reflected in a particular company, as at least its first level of analysis).

[quote]makkun wrote:
One more thing: Interesting were the gender quotas, I thought - with all the liberals out there, should there not be a higher percentage of women, especially in literature and the humanities there are normally slightly more female than male students…

Just musing,
Makkun[/quote]

This is a thread unto itself. I think it has a lot to do with the choices women make – basically choosing career tracks with less demands in terms of time and schedule. But I’m sure someone will disagree.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
OllyB wrote:
I agree completely. Shaw was more than a little conservative in his outlook :wink: After all, he thought that the Gulags in the USSR were a good thing!

I’m pretty sure you’re kidding, but the idea that it’s OK to sacrifice people for the greater good of communism and the victory of the proletariat isn’t really conservative…[/quote]

I’m kidding. Shaw wasn’t right wing at all. He identified himself as a socialist, but he was rather authoritarian. I wouldn’t mark him as a socialist.

[quote]There are certain subjects that appear to encourage a ‘liberal’ outlook, I think. There are some that encourage a ‘conservative’ outlook. But from what I’ve seen, there is a slight reactionary element to power structures in universities. Without resistance, there is no progress… perhaps?

I think it definitely affects certain disciplines more than others – and that’s borne out in the numbers. Engineering profs and economics profs have a greater chance of being conservatives than do literature professors who specialize in Feminist/Racist critique…[/quote]

Yeah. I think arts subjects, at the moment, tend towards the left. But that will change.

BB,

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
makkun wrote:
BB,

Too bad you expect negative comments only from the liberal side. Seems to go with the lately really unpleasant political bashings here.

makkun,

I think I was misunderstood. I don’t really consider JustTheFacts to be a liberal. I consider him to be a conspiracy kook (sorry if that’s ad hominem, but I can’t think of a better description at the moment, and I’m not a psychologist). That kind of mentality can be found on the extreme edges of both the left and the right…[/quote]

I agree - I’ve seen it happen here all along. :wink:

[quote]makkun wrote:
Hm, just musing what could be the reasons:
Are liberal families being more inclined to send their children into higher education and academic careers? Or could a liberal mindset be more open to new ideas - which is normally a prerequisite for scientific work? Any ideas?

I think there are a few things at work. Firstly, I think that people with conservative beliefs are less likely to want to get further into the study of subjects that they view as dominated by liberal viewpoints. Subjects like literature, sociology, etc. can seem that way. Subjects like Ethnic Studies or Gay/Lesbian/Transgender Studies – I mean, come on…[/quote]

Good point. Certain interest areas would be off base for people with strong views on certain issues - except if they wanted to debunk the current scientific Zeitgeist in a certain field.

Yup, I agree with the latter. I’m not so sure about the influence of subjectivism in economics or the hard sciences. It’s quite surprising that in these fields also there are trends that only tend to die out with their supporters generation. Are “soft” sciences more in danger to be openly subjective? Oh yes, but it is quite interesting how thin “hard” science can be (remember that racial theories were considered sound biology just a few decades ago).

Well, for someone working in higher education and having seen how decisions are often being made, I think that this is an issue of quality and HR procedures. As a corporate lawyer, you will have seen your share of questionable recruitment decisions, influenced by what “the powers that be” in the given situation want, regardless of due process. As organisations go, I don’t really see a difference between a corporate or an educational body here.

That’s a classic standard in academia - you should find something new, or a new edge to solve an old problem. Nothing wrong with that, except if the standards at the institution are so low that it would except just any new idea or it just follows every trend in order attract students. My main concern in academia is not so much a certain bias (hey, even my conservative alma mater has produced a liberal like me :wink: ), but rather a lowering of standards to get in as many (paying) students and have a low attrition rate. I’m surprised that the liberal bias seems to be diagnosed so often at “elite” schools - should a bias not be regarded as something that hampers with the “elite” status?

[quote]Because of this demand for originality, someone who examined Hamlet and wanted to write something to the effect of it was canonical and the greatest play in the English language would probably not even get to write on that, whereas someone who wanted to speculate on whether Shakespeare was really gay and wrote from the female perspective would be able to do so.

This originality factor also contributes to the “hot area” bias in hiring. The “original analyses,” whether they have any basis in rational reality or not, will eventually build up a critical mass as more and more people write on them. They’re new and “hot,” and universities want to hire someone from the “hot” area in which they don’t have any representation, rather than hire a young economic historian when they have two old economic historians with tenure.

That’s my take anyway.[/quote]

I agree that topics have to be subjected to some academic scrutiny - being creative is fine, as long as you can prove you make use of proper methodology and come to a believable conclusion in the end. The rest is up to peer review.

Funny, we are concentrating mostly on research here in our discussion - teaching should play a bigger role in higher education in my view, but it has continuously been pushed away by the pressure to publish; which I guess is really not conducive to quality.

[quote]makkun wrote:
To be quite honest, I think that a certain mindset tends to go along with a certain job you do - army and police personnel I would expect to be more on the conservative side.

I think that’s right.

makkun wrote:
What I could not see from the article was any systematic discrimination against conservatives. Surely that will happen as well, but I’m not convinced it is the norm. But on the other hand I don’t know unis in the US - my alma mater in Germany was very much on the conservative side.

I don’t think the study will show any, because it doesn’t seem to be what they were trying to discern. It looks like they were just studying the political views of profs based on some survey data. They’d have to devise some other way of measuring hiring bias – very tricky to measure too (which is why the federal government basically relies on de facto quotas, i.e. looking to see how well the population in the area is reflected in a particular company, as at least its first level of analysis).[/quote]

The current trend in recruitment seems to be to just block the problem areas out - but that goes for classical application processes (no photo, no gender, no age…). But with evaluating the ability for academic work that is off course different, as it will always show a certain view - that is essentially what people are hired for.

[quote]makkun wrote:
One more thing: Interesting were the gender quotas, I thought - with all the liberals out there, should there not be a higher percentage of women, especially in literature and the humanities there are normally slightly more female than male students…

Just musing,
Makkun

This is a thread unto itself. I think it has a lot to do with the choices women make – basically choosing career tracks with less demands in terms of time and schedule. But I’m sure someone will disagree.[/quote]

Hm, if we were discussing careers in mining or civil engineering, yeah, I might agree; but not in the social sciences, languages, psychology or medicine. I think there is a bias at work there - but you surely are right, this is a thread in itself; I am afraid to start it though… :wink:

Makkun

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Finally, I think there is an inherent bias in the U.S. system toward liberal positions – but it is unintentional. That bias is the demand for “originality” in masters and doctoral theses. From what I understand, this is not required in the UK, at least in certain disciplines that have already been well covered, such as history or literature.

Because of this demand for originality, someone who examined Hamlet and wanted to write something to the effect of it was canonical and the greatest play in the English language would probably not even get to write on that, whereas someone who wanted to speculate on whether Shakespeare was really gay and wrote from the female perspective would be able to do so.
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No, you have to write an original thesis. Wanting to write a dissertation on whether Hamlet is the greatest play in English is somewhat too subjective, but there are three Hamlet texts, so you could argue which one is more likely to be the most canonical… :wink:

The Shakespeare-as-gay question is interesting when considering relationships. And queer theory is new, and it is interesting. But more than anything it depends on the quality of the candidate. If it’s something that can contribute to our understanding of literature, it’s important, I think!

Just wondering: Does any one have any data on liberal faculty in islamic counties?

I’m sure Saudi Arabian colleges are a bastion of pussy liberalism and moral relativism.

OllyB,

I’ve been told the interpretation of “original” is different over here – more of an emphasis on using a new method of analysis or answering a new question – which, of course, becomes especially difficult when writing on some topic like the Fall of Rome in history or a play like Hamlet. I could definitely be wrong though.

This has been an absolutely fascinating discussion…

This is my question:

Almost as late as the fities and early sixties, Universities were actually considered “Conservative” bastions.

  1. Were they merely “conservative” as it related to male vs. female faculty and/or in terms of gender issues?

  2. It seems like at least on the outside, Universities may have been a little more “liberal” leaning…but isn’t that relative?

For example, (eliminating the fact that one is Private and one is a State School, for the sake of argument), Harvard may have admitted a few black students in the 40’s and 50’s (relative to total admissions)…and the Governor of Massachettes didn’t stand on the steps of Harvard preventing the entrance of Black Students…but to paint Harvard during that time as more “Liberal” than the University of Alabama (to me) seems to be a question of degree.

  1. Perhaps the label of “Conservative” vs. “Liberal” were somewhat “different” in the early and mid parts of the last century than now?

Sorry, guys…this thread has brought up more questions than answers to me…

Great thread!

Mufasa

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I think it definitely affects certain disciplines more than others – and that’s borne out in the numbers. Engineering profs and economics profs have a greater chance of being conservatives than do literature professors who specialize in Feminist/Racist critique…[/quote]

Actually, the reality is quite different – Engineering and Economics Professors are probably the most liberal of all – at least at Stanford and Berkeley. The few (and I mean FEW) conservatives are mostly in the humanities (in Law in particular) and/or end up focusing on mainly political and administrative tasks (like the one of Provost) rather than “pure” teaching and research.

I’ll not only admit they’re biased, I’ll even go as far as saying that’s actually one of the reasons I like my job.

However, I’ll also say that I have very sincere doubts that our bias influences the students in any way. On the contrary – some professors are such outrageous activists that they probably turn a lot of students away from even considering our political beliefs.

The reason for this bias, in particular in science and engineering? Besides many others that have been mentioned before, it’s also one of self-interest: left-wing governments tend to be more generous with academia, not only financially (more money) but also in the sense that they are less prone to micro-managing (which academia HATES) and also are less adamant about wanting palpable economical results.

For example, the Physics departments of both places I mentioned are struggling with the fact that the Bush administration – as many other right-wing administrations before – is not interested in investing in anything that does not yield a direct and immediate economic benefit. That is a fundamental problem for them, since most modern physics research does not yield such an obvious benefit. On the contrary – much like the current fusion technology, it requires much more money in than the one that comes out, with no real promises of getting anywhere.

Basically, right-wing politics and pure scientific research are blood enemies; for right-wingers, scientific research is seen as a high-risk investment, higher risk than even most venture capitalists would be willing to take.

Of course, most dramatic discoveries of 20th century, that yielded outrageously profitable inventions, happened due to the investment from people that saw science for what it should be seen: a seek for the truth that should be funded because it is noble and pure (not because it is profitable). Others were funded with an objective but ended up resulting in something completely different – and much more profitable. Unfortunately, neither scenarios will ever happen again unless there are dramatic political shifts in this country.

Right-wing politics also create a competitive environment, that is unhealthy (competition is invariably damaging and negative-sum in science); dramatic discoveries need true and pure collaboration, not competition. For example, when Einstein got stuck adding Gravity to Special Relativity (and coming up with General Relativity), due mostly to his not-so-hot mathematical skills, he got FREE help from several German mathematicians, one of which eventually got there (to General Relativity) before Einstein did. What did the do? He actually gave the full credit of the discovery to Einstein and never got a cent out of it. Or even recognition, since nobody remembers his name, but rather Einstein’s. Why? He didn’t need to: he had tenure and a good salary, irrespective of his “achievements” and nobody was micro-managing him. So higher values were possible – he didn’t need to take credit for it or patent it, or protect his “intellectual property”. He got satisfaction just out of the fact one of the most dramatic and pivotal discoveries in the History of Science was made.

The advantage of that is that it prolonged the synergistic environment: Einstein didn’t need to be “afraid” that either somebody would beat him to the punch or that he would have to pay for help; he knew that not only he’d have any help that he’d need – for free – nobody would take anything from anyone, and he was free to do his thing, his way. The way nobody else had ever done or, at this rate, never will.

So, you can’t blame most scientists and engineers end up wanting that almost ideal socialist environment. Socialism might not work for most of the population, who apparently need a carrot and stick approach (where the only carrot that seems to work is the almighty greenback and only stick that seems to work is the fear of getting fired), but it works spectacularly for academia – who get their kicks simply out of discovery of the truth – as proven over and over and over and over in the past.

First thing the new left-wing governments in Portugal and Spain did was to increase the investment in research and development 100x over. The right-wing governments had left the research institutes dry to the bone – for example, Portugal’s “Instituto de Higiene e Medicina Tropical”, one of the world’s foremost research centers on tropical diseases, one that has been featured multiple times in US TV (included recently in Fox’s excellent “House, M.D.” series) – had to almost close down because the previous right-wing government left it dry, with no funding – because they saw it was not “profitable”. Of course it’s not – its objective is to freely provide the science to save people’s lives through prevention and/or rapid cure, not make money through outrageously expensive medicine.

Unlike US pharmaceutical companies, that are very profitable, but are so because they help drive the most expensive healthcare in the whole planet, which is also the least efficient one (by any measurement divided by its cost – quality of life, life expectancy, number of lives saved, etc.).

And, as any scientist will tell you, working for a pharmaceutical company is possibly the most stressful job a scientist can have, since they’re micro-managed out of their minds.

So, you see, it is in the best interest of scientists and engineers to be left-wingers. Their job is much more interesting and rewarding when the left takes over power – and that’s true in every single country in the World, not just the US.

That brings me to one of my core beliefs: the fundamental practical difference between Socialism and Capitalism is in the people who it chooses to hurt; Fortunately in Democracy the people get to choose who to hurt, and they are successful when they pick the right people to hurt at the right time – unfortunately, eventually most civilizations end up dooming themselves by picking the wrong crowd to screw with at the wrong time.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
3) Perhaps the label of “Conservative” vs. “Liberal” were somewhat “different” in the early and mid parts of the last century than now?[/quote]

Yes it was.

The most extreme example is that, technically, the German Nazi Party was Liberal.

Also remember that, for example, in those times Blacks saw the Republican Party (the Right) as “their” party, mainly due to Lincoln’s legacy; only in the 60’s the Democrats (the Center-Left) saw the opportunity to attach themselves to the Civil Rights Movement and took it.

In Europe, the “Liberal” label is attached to parties that sit somewhere in the RIGHT and believe in a totally free market and small government.

OTOH, the few remaining Marxist parties are labeled “Conservative”.

That’s why I prefer to talk in left vs right-wing, since that’s a more universally accepted slang, both across space (country) and time.

hspder,

to your long and well-written post, I can only consent fully. Interesting view and a good argument for research free of political or economic meddling, whith which I fully agree.

Quick highjack:
As for your second post, I agree mostly; except for the NSDAP - I don’t get that assertion that they were a liberal party (not even in the 18th century national-liberalism sense, that enabled early German attempts at democracy in 1848): True, there were ideas to redistribute wealth and quite a few “socialists”, but Hitler got rid of them (R?hm and Strasser) pretty quickly, as he was mostly pampered by German industrialists (remember that George Grosz caricature “Millionen stehen hinter mir…” “Millions stand behind me…”). True, liberalism has some right wing tradition in Europe (see Haider and the post-war German FDP) - but it can be leftish as well (see UK’s LibDems). End highjack.

Makkun

[quote]hspder wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
3) Perhaps the label of “Conservative” vs. “Liberal” were somewhat “different” in the early and mid parts of the last century than now?

Yes it was.

The most extreme example is that, technically, the German Nazi Party was Liberal.

Also remember that, for example, in those times Blacks saw the Republican Party (the Right) as “their” party, mainly due to Lincoln’s legacy; only in the 60’s the Democrats (the Center-Left) saw the opportunity to attach themselves to the Civil Rights Movement and took it.

In Europe, the “Liberal” label is attached to parties that sit somewhere in the RIGHT and believe in a totally free market and small government.

OTOH, the few remaining Marxist parties are labeled “Conservative”.

That’s why I prefer to talk in left vs right-wing, since that’s a more universally accepted slang, both across space (country) and time.
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That’s not entirely all correct. For example, in the UK, the Liberal Democrats are the most left-leaning mainstream party, and the Conservatives the most right leaning.

I’d also be hesitant to label the Nazis as being a form of extreme liberalism. The name, National Socialist German Worker’s Party, indicates that they were trying to appeal to a mass of people. The Nazis were more concerned with the actions of a mob (Hitler said that the electorate were fundamentally stupid…)

Your definition of ‘liberal’ was

‘parties that sit somewhere in the RIGHT and believe in a totally free market and small government.’

Which the Nazi party really didn’t believe in. They used the free market capitalists to gain control then become authoritarian. So you kinda contradict yourself there :wink:

Another problem with the left-right divide is cultural. America’s political spectrum is further to the right that Europe’s, so we’ll have differing ideas on what true centrism is anyway.

[quote]makkun wrote:
As for your second post, I agree mostly; except for the NSDAP - I don’t get that assertion that they were a liberal party (not even in the 18th century national-liberalism sense, that enabled early German attempts at democracy in 1848): True, there were ideas to redistribute wealth and quite a few “socialists”, but Hitler got rid of them (R?hm and Strasser) pretty quickly, as he was mostly pampered by German industrialists (remember that George Grosz caricature “Millionen stehen hinter mir…” “Millions stand behind me…”). True, liberalism has some right wing tradition in Europe (see Haider and the post-war German FDP) - but it can be leftish as well (see UK’s LibDems). End [/quote]

True – I’ll admit I was going on a limb with the NSDAP. ButI didn’t say specifically say all “liberal” parties in Europe were right-wing. However I will readily admit that I forgot about the LibDems, mostly because I tend to forget that the UK is in Europe (mainly because they do too… ;-)).

[quote]OllyB wrote:
That’s not entirely all correct. For example, in the UK, the Liberal Democrats are the most left-leaning mainstream party, and the Conservatives the most right leaning.
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You’re right (no pun intended). :slight_smile:

[quote]OllyB wrote:
So you kinda contradict yourself there :wink:
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Maybe so, but the main point I was trying to get accross to Mufasa was that the definition of liberal is indeed not universal – and apparently I was successful making that point. :slight_smile:

[quote]OllyB wrote:
Another problem with the left-right divide is cultural. America’s political spectrum is further to the right that Europe’s, so we’ll have differing ideas on what true centrism is anyway.[/quote]

True. But then you can just avoid talking about positions that would fall in the “limbo” between the two continents, which hasn’t been hard at all, since except for maybe vroom everybody here is clearly on one of the sides of the fence… :slight_smile:

To take this in a slighty different direction, here’s a post by GMU law prof and former high-up muckety-muck at the Federal Trade Commission Todd Zywicki on why intellectual diversity is important on campuses:

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_03_27-2005_04_02.shtml#1112300198

Why Campus Intellectual Diversity Matters:

The other day, I posted on a new study ( Home - bepress ) regarding the ideological imbalance on college faculties. There is a huge amount in the blogosphere, including of course, a few things right here by Juan ( The Volokh Conspiracy - - ). It appears that this time around, at least, no one is actually denying that the imbalance exists. I’ll just comment on one key question that has been raised, which is, if there is such an imbalance, does it matter (as implicitly raised here)?

Intellectual diversity matters because it goes to the core of a liberal education. My remarks here will focus on colleges, because the underlying study doesn’t address law schools. Also, this is a long post already, so I venture no speculation on the causes of the imbalance or opinions on rectifying it (the trackbacks to my first post have some interesting views on those matters especially this one: The Debate Link: Novelty and the Liberal Academia ), just my views on why I think it is an educational problem.

The way I see it, college education exists for three purposes: (1) to develop human capital, (2) to educate and develop critical thinking skills and intellectual self-discovery and character in students, and (3) to develop individuals who can participate as responsible citizens in a free and democratic society.

b Developing human capital:[/b] Ideological diversity has little to do with this really because it is just developing skills, such as in engineering, science, computer science, and business administration. Clearly this is an important part of education, but not the only thing, because otherwise we wouldn’t offer English, Philosophy, etc., in universities. So I will set this aside.

b Educating critical thinking skills and intellectual self-discovery:[/b] Ideological diversity has a lot to do with this. The purpose of education should be to teach students how to think, not what to think. I don’t know how you can teach students to analyze arguments and determine the truth value about claims about the world if you don’t expose them to a variety of ideas. As Greg Ransom observes ( http://www.hayekcenter.org/prestopunditarchive/006197.html )the presence of an intellectual orthodoxy on campus can severely hamper student’s critical reasoning skills. Ransom’s experience is that many students do in fact absorb some degree of indoctrination at a very superficial level, and that the virtual absence of any serious counterarguments leaves them at this very superficial and unreflective mode of analysis. I think this is probably right–for instance, I am amazed at the shallowness of analysis that I hear from ostensibly educated students. Comments I hear about environmental issues, in particular, come to mind.

UPDATE: I added as an update after my initial post “intellectual self-discovery” for students in response to a perceptive reader comment. I did mean to include this as well as part of this point–in addition to developing individual critical reasoning skills, it is also important to develop individual student intellectual skills to understand themselves and the world better as well as guiding ethical and character attributes. Obviously this requires students to wrestle with various ideas in coming to their own world views.

b Educating citizens for a free and democratic society:[/b] One of our major goals as educators is to educate individuals who can participate as citizens in the governance of a free and democratic society. If not, then I can’t understand why the taxpayers of many states subsidize colleges. If so, it seems to me that it is imperative that students be exposed to all viewpoints about the world and to learn to evaluate the truth and resonance of competing world views. Living together as citizens in a free society, and having the kinds of connections and conversations that make that possible, requires developing a depth of understanding that cannot be created in an atmosphere of one-sided intellectual orthodoxy. It is a pretty short road from the impoverished discussions in modern universities to the idiocy of Michael Moore and red v. blue America. I don’t pretend that American political discussion was ever that exhaulted, but surely we used to hold educated people to a higher standard of discourse then we see today, especially on university campuses? I personally would add to this that as part of educating free and responsible citizens we should make sure students understand the intellectual and historical foundations of the western world, but I recognize that this is a more controversial proposition.

So if the purpose of education is to educate students to think for themselves and to develop critical thinking skills about the world, as to become good citizens, leaders, and self-reliant individuals, does this require a diversity of opinion on the faculty? Or is it sufficient to leave up to individual professors on the honor system to try to present all sides of an issue in class and to make sure that students engage the various arguments on all sides of an issue?

While there are many good professors who create an open and balanced forum for a true exchange of ideas, there are many situations where this plaintly is not the case. Most obviously, the entire point of many courses today is to present a particular viewpoint, not to create a balanced discussion, such as Women’s Studies, African-American Studies, and GLBT Studies (for instance, when Dartmouth added a GLBT Studies program a few years ago, its first course was taught by a local activist, rather than a properly-qualified professor).

Second, many professors do abuse the power of the podium in order to proselytize for their particular ideological views and to attack competing ideas. When I was in college, for instance, my required introductory class for my major on international politics consisted of a sustained rant by the professor against Ronald Reagan and the Strategic Defense Initiative and why we needed to maintain the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction (this was in 1984). My “History of the American South” class was a one semester narrative by a Marxist professor on how rich southern whites had conspired to manipulate racist sentiments among lower-class whites to keep them from banding together in the “natural” economic alliance of poor whites and blacks to plunder the property of rich whites. He was the only one who taught it, so if I wanted to take it (I was from South Carolina, so I was interested in it), I had to take it from him. I could go on, but I’m sure everyone has their own similar horror stories. The clear purpose of those teaching these classes it to proselytize and try to tell students what to think. Add political correctness into the mix and this is a pretty potent stew.

Leaving aside these obviously biased courses and professors, even the best professors are going to have a tendency to teach to their strengths and what they know best and are most interested in. And, I believe, this is perfectly natural, and probably is the way it should be because that is what makes for the best educational experience. But this is why you need to have professors with a variety of interests and strengths. Even something as simple as putting together a syllabus reflects a professor’s views about what is important or interesting. I don’t think that my experience as a Government major was unique–I read Marx in almost every class (often even in classes where he didn’t even seem relevant). But for the fact that at the time Dartmouth had a Burkean and a Straussian on the faculty–both now retired–I don’t know that I would have ever read Burke, Locke, or The Federalist. Fortunately I stumbled across the Institute for Humane Studies ( http://www.theihs.org/ ) while I was in college, and so was exposed to classical liberal and conservative thinkers. But this requires taking the effort to look beyond the campus.

Intellectual diversity, therefore, is crucial in that exposes students to a variety of ideas and perspectives, and through that developes critical thinking skills and an understanding of different ways of seeing the world which is necessary for living in a free and democratic society. I think the failure to have a serious representation of libertarian and conservative professors on campus, and the resultant tendency of the left to trivialize that world view (which is, after all, held by roughly 50% of students!), breeds a cynicism in students about the whole intellectual enterprise in which we are engaged. If the university itself doesn’t take ideas seriously and doesn’t care about free, open, and informed discussion of ideas, why would we possibly think that students would be any more interested in it? And if we aren’t going to teach them critical reasoning skills and to search for truth, they may as well major in Computer Science or Business Administration.

When universities fail to do their job, it seems to me that we get one of two results. First, we can get the shallow indoctrination phenomenon described by Ramson–opinions without serious intellectual support. Or second, we can the “tuning out” effect that I described in my earlier post (also noted here), where students simply ignore what happens in class and just regurgitate the mantra that they are fed. Either way, we have failed at the task of education.

Update:

To clarify, when I say “they may as well major in Computer Science or Business Administration” I do not intend to denigrate those majors in the slightest–I am just saying that if we don’t accomplish the other two goals of a liberal education, then we should just treat colleges and universities as trade schools that just develop human capital, rather than developing good citizens, critical thinking skills, and intellectual self-discovery.

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Great post hspder.

From my experience, I have no idea what any of my engineering professors believe politcally. I don’t see how their political beliefs matter either. And I have not seen anyone change their views since coming to college. Personally, if anything, I’ve become less liberal after coming to a very liberal school. I’d hazard a guess that most of the world will not change political beliefs.

The campus republicans actually started a group regarding academic diversity or something, saying the university should actively pursue conservative professors (contrasting with their anti-affirmative-action position). What a professor’s beliefs don’t necessarily affect how they teach, but I’ve only taken philosphy classes for non-engineering classes.

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The reason for this bias, in particular in science and engineering? Besides many others that have been mentioned before, it’s also one of self-interest: left-wing governments tend to be more generous with academia, not only financially (more money) but also in the sense that they are less prone to micro-managing (which academia HATES) and also are less adamant about wanting palpable economical results.

For example, the Physics departments of both places I mentioned are struggling with the fact that the Bush administration – as many other right-wing administrations before – is not interested in investing in anything that does not yield a direct and immediate economic benefit. That is a fundamental problem for them, since most modern physics research does not yield such an obvious benefit. On the contrary – much like the current fusion technology, it requires much more money in than the one that comes out, with no real promises of getting anywhere.

Basically, right-wing politics and pure scientific research are blood enemies; for right-wingers, scientific research is seen as a high-risk investment, higher risk than even most venture capitalists would be willing to take.

Of course, most dramatic discoveries of 20th century, that yielded outrageously profitable inventions, happened due to the investment from people that saw science for what it should be seen: a seek for the truth that should be funded because it is noble and pure (not because it is profitable). Others were funded with an objective but ended up resulting in something completely different – and much more profitable. Unfortunately, neither scenarios will ever happen again unless there are dramatic political shifts in this country.

Right-wing politics also create a competitive environment, that is unhealthy (competition is invariably damaging and negative-sum in science); dramatic discoveries need true and pure collaboration, not competition. For example, when Einstein got stuck adding Gravity to Special Relativity (and coming up with General Relativity), due mostly to his not-so-hot mathematical skills, he got FREE help from several German mathematicians, one of which eventually got there (to General Relativity) before Einstein did. What did the do? He actually gave the full credit of the discovery to Einstein and never got a cent out of it. Or even recognition, since nobody remembers his name, but rather Einstein’s. Why? He didn’t need to: he had tenure and a good salary, irrespective of his “achievements” and nobody was micro-managing him. So higher values were possible – he didn’t need to take credit for it or patent it, or protect his “intellectual property”. He got satisfaction just out of the fact one of the most dramatic and pivotal discoveries in the History of Science was made.

The advantage of that is that it prolonged the synergistic environment: Einstein didn’t need to be “afraid” that either somebody would beat him to the punch or that he would have to pay for help; he knew that not only he’d have any help that he’d need – for free – nobody would take anything from anyone, and he was free to do his thing, his way. The way nobody else had ever done or, at this rate, never will.

So, you can’t blame most scientists and engineers end up wanting that almost ideal socialist environment. Socialism might not work for most of the population, who apparently need a carrot and stick approach (where the only carrot that seems to work is the almighty greenback and only stick that seems to work is the fear of getting fired), but it works spectacularly for academia – who get their kicks simply out of discovery of the truth – as proven over and over and over and over in the past.
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hspder,

It’s funny, but your line of reasoning reminds me of one of the subplots of Atlas Shrugged, with the portrayal of the great scientist (I think his name was Robert something or other) – though obviously from the other perspective. =-)

Some interesting follow up on the topic – again showing that university faculties are overwhelmingly liberal, which apparently isn’t much of a shock to most of us.

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_08_21-2005_08_27.shtml#1125075855

Jim Lindgren, August 26, 2005 at 1:04pm

KC Johnson on Intellectual Diversity in Universities.–

The historian KC Johnson has an interesting, link-filled article on ideological and intellectual diversity at Inside Higher Ed:

EXCERPT:

[i]Inside Higher Ed recently reported on four University of Pittsburgh professors critiquing the latest survey suggesting ideological one-sidedness in the academy. According to the Pitt quartet, self-selection accounts for findings that the faculty of elite disproportionately tilts to the Left. "Many conservatives," the Pitt professors mused, "may deliberately choose not to seek employment at top-tier research universities because they object, on philosophical grounds, to one of the fundamental tenets undergirding such institutions: the scientific method."

Imagine the appropriate outrage that would have occurred had the above critique referred to feminists, minorities, or Socialists. Yet the Pitt quartet's line of reasoning ? that faculty ideological imbalance reflects the academy functioning as it should ? has appeared with regularity, and has been, unintentionally, most revealing. Indeed, the very defense offered by the academic Establishment, rather than the statistical surveys themselves, has gone a long way toward proving the case of critics who say that the academy lacks sufficient intellectual diversity.[/i]

Johnson then critiques three excuses for ideological homogeneity:

[i] 1. The cultural left is, simply, more intelligent than anyone else. As SUNY-Albany’s Ron McClamrock reasoned, “Lefties are overrepresented in academia because on average, we’re just f-ing smarter.” The first recent survey came in early 2004, when the Duke Conservative Union disclosed that Duke?s humanities departments contained 142 registered Democrats and 8 registered Republicans. Philosophy Department chairman Robert Brandon considered the results unsurprising: “If, as John Stuart Mill said, stupid people are generally conservative, then there are lots of conservatives we will never hire.”. . .

2. A left-leaning tilt in the faculty is a pedagogical necessity, because professors must expose gender, racial, and class bias while promoting peace, "diversity" and "cultural competence." According to Montclair State?s Grover Furr, "colleges and universities do not need a single additional 'conservative'.... What they do need, and would much benefit from, is more Marxists, radicals, leftists ? all terms conventionally applied to those who fight against exploitation, racism, sexism, and capitalism. We can never have too many of these, just as we can never have too few 'conservatives.'" . . .

3. A left-leaning professoriate is a structural necessity, because the liberal arts faculty must balance business school faculty and/or the general conservative political culture.[/i]

The critiques within the article are pretty good overall – read the whole thing.

I do think that this extreme level of intellectual bias is problematic if it means that the students aren’t getting exposed to various ideas and viewpoints – especially when the reason they aren’t is that some ideas just aren’t politically correct.