This is the example of where Liberal thought makes no sense at all.
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Childish, and I’m conservative, I just don’t abide bullshit. Does everyone that disagrees with you get branded as a Liberal?
Regardless of intent, wearing a BUSH shirt at an OBAMA rally is political.
Even if you don’t believe he was politically motivated, wearing a shirt referencing a Republican president while working at a Democrat event is unarguably unprofessional, as the purpose of the rally was very much political. As such, he was instructed to remove his sweater by his superior.
Failure to obey management is grounds for firing, regardless of whether you ‘agree’ with them.
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ONCE AGIAN THE SHIRT WAS FROM AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER NAMED BUSH. IT WAS NOT AN I LOVE BUSH SHIRT. DONT MAKE IT ABOUT THAT. HE WAS SHOWING SUPPORT FOR HIS SON, WHO IS SERVING ON THAT SHIP AND ULTIMATLY UNDER OBAMA. YOU SAYING IT IS ABOUT BUSH WOULD BE LIKE ME SAYING HE WAS FIRED FOR BEING PRO MILITARY AND PATRIOTIC. end rant
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
I have just one question.
Is he required to wear a uniform?
If so then the whole free speach arguement is a moot point, if not then this is a very large and ugly can of worms for all involved.[/quote]
No uniforms from what I can tell. I have looked every where on the web for the union’s side, but they are not saying anything. I even went on thier website, and nothing.
This is the example of where Liberal thought makes no sense at all.
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Childish, and I’m conservative, I just don’t abide bullshit. Does everyone that disagrees with you get branded as a Liberal?
Regardless of intent, wearing a BUSH shirt at an OBAMA rally is political.
Even if you don’t believe he was politically motivated, wearing a shirt referencing a Republican president while working at a Democrat event is unarguably unprofessional, as the purpose of the rally was very much political. As such, he was instructed to remove his sweater by his superior.
Failure to obey management is grounds for firing, regardless of whether you ‘agree’ with them.
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ONCE AGIAN THE SHIRT WAS FROM AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER NAMED BUSH. IT WAS NOT AN I LOVE BUSH SHIRT. DONT MAKE IT ABOUT THAT. HE WAS SHOWING SUPPORT FOR HIS SON, WHO IS SERVING ON THAT SHIP AND ULTIMATLY UNDER OBAMA. YOU SAYING IT IS ABOUT BUSH WOULD BE LIKE ME SAYING HE WAS FIRED FOR BEING PRO MILITARY AND PATRIOTIC. end rant[/quote]
Did you read my post?
Even if your manager is telling you to wear a pink fluffy bunny suit you fucking do it or deal with it, flat out disobeying your boss = unemployment.
Don’t ignore your boss and then stamp your feet digging for an excuse because you got fired… this guy is only playing the politics card because he knows its his only chance at getting re-instated.
The shirt could be a plain white T for all I care, he was fired for insubordination, not some Obama plot to pick on some random conservative stage hand.
Now go ahead and rant about the shirt and patriotism etc…
Dave, I see your point, but the deal is he should not have been asked to turn it inside out. The reason they asked him to was because it had Bush on it. If it was a political shirt I MIGHT could see it, only if someone with an Obama shirt was treated the same way. You can not allow one side and not the other. If the shirt said USS Washington there would not had been a problem. Is it not the left who is always preaching tolerence?
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Yea, fine, I am more dissapoint with Mak anyways. Don’t know how you could be active here since 2006 and me have no idea who you are, so my suspicion is you have just recently started posting, at least in PWI. Thanks for informing me how it is round here though, I had no idea.
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My opinion has already been expressed by others. If my superior says “hey you can’t wear that here”, I’d go and bitch about it, but I wouldn’t refuse and put my employment in jeopardy. At first glance, the union are a bunch of heartless thundercunts, but then again, they haven’t released any statement (I think).
EDIT: And the reason I refrained from posting this is that if someone else has said it, me adding a wall of text really doesn’t add anything. Kind of like these pictures I keep posting.
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
If the shirt said USS Washington there would not had been a problem. Is it not the left who is always preaching tolerence?[/quote]
Ok I see where your going with this, and thanks for the thoughtful response.
Rather that look at it from a Liberal Vs Conservative viewpoint, look at it from the perspective of the company hosting this event.
Whether or not you think the shirt is political or offensive, it can be PERCEIVED as an offense by your client (the DNC), if one of your staff is walking about the rally wearing a shirt referencing (however indirectly) a President that is/was politically hostile to your client’s political beliefs. Therefore, I feel management had every right to ask him to at least turn his sweater inside out.
It’s not good business practice to insult clients, however oblique the (percieved) insult is.
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
If the shirt said USS Washington there would not had been a problem. Is it not the left who is always preaching tolerence?[/quote]
But there’s the rub. The left only wants you to be tolerant of certain things. Once those boxes are checked they will be the first ones to take your rights away. Ask Juan Williams how tolerant the left is. Ask anyone who has said mere words, or phrases how tolerant the left is.
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
If the shirt said USS Washington there would not had been a problem. Is it not the left who is always preaching tolerence?[/quote]
Ok I see where your going with this, and thanks for the thoughtful response.
Rather that look at it from a Liberal Vs Conservative viewpoint, look at it from the perspective of the company hosting this event.
Whether or not you think the shirt is political or offensive, it can be PERCEIVED as an offense by your client (the DNC), if one of your staff is walking about the rally wearing a shirt referencing (however indirectly) a President that is/was politically hostile to your client’s political beliefs. Therefore, I feel management had every right to ask him to at least turn his sweater inside out.
It’s not good business practice to insult clients, however oblique the (percieved) insult is.
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This. If someone was wearing an Obama shirt at a McCain rally, the point still stands - you don’t run the risk of insulting your clients. It’s not good business practice.
But if there is no policy, there is no grounds for being fired, especially a union job. Would be funny if someone would take up the case and suite the union for him.
Union jobs are not typical at will employment, there is a specific contract of which I would guarrantee this violates the terms for termination.
What you are saying would be true had this been a typical at will employment but it is not so the argument becomes mute.
I thought that was the great thing about unions, made it almost impossible to get fired,
This is the example of where Liberal thought makes no sense at all.
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Childish, and I’m conservative, I just don’t abide bullshit. Does everyone that disagrees with you get branded as a Liberal?
Regardless of intent, wearing a BUSH shirt at an OBAMA rally is political.
Even if you don’t believe he was politically motivated, wearing a shirt referencing a Republican president while working at a Democrat event is unarguably unprofessional, as the purpose of the rally was very much political. As such, he was instructed to remove his sweater by his superior.
Failure to obey management is grounds for firing, regardless of whether you ‘agree’ with them.
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Nope…
The “Bush” shirt (again) is the USS HW Bush…A BATTLESHIP in the US NAVY!
What if it were the USS Ronald Regan your kid was serving on? The COMMANDER IN CHIEF is in town and it’s provocative to wear a US military sweater depicting a new battle/carrier?
Bull-shit.
Why would the CIC be offended by one of his own ships?
I bet…if he had an “I LOVE OBAMA” hat on all would have been good…right?
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
If the shirt said USS Washington there would not had been a problem. Is it not the left who is always preaching tolerence?[/quote]
Ok I see where your going with this, and thanks for the thoughtful response.
Rather that look at it from a Liberal Vs Conservative viewpoint, look at it from the perspective of the company hosting this event.
Whether or not you think the shirt is political or offensive, it can be PERCEIVED as an offense by your client (the DNC), if one of your staff is walking about the rally wearing a shirt referencing (however indirectly) a President that is/was politically hostile to your client’s political beliefs. Therefore, I feel management had every right to ask him to at least turn his sweater inside out.
It’s not good business practice to insult clients, however oblique the (percieved) insult is.
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Unfortunately we don’t have access to the union contract, I would be surprised if there wasn’t something in there about what you could or could not wear for the job. I did try to search for some information about the contract or some type of language on here’s what you can and can not wear, but it looks like nothing is available out there.
Adding to what Rockscar said. Obama is the commander in chief of the military. That ship is in his fleet, so by supporting that ship are you not indirectly (and I know it is a stretch)supporting Obama in a wierd way. Also, the argument about making a client mad is redundent because he is CIC. That is like saying Walt Disney would get mad if he came to Disney Land and someone had a Disney World shirt on.
