[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
borrek wrote:
John S. wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Thank you George Bush
I don’t get it. You want to blame the current state of the US economy on Bush?
He hasn’t figured out yet Bush isn’t President anymore.
TARP was a Bush program. The right cried “but, Clinton!” for years, so turnabout is fair play.
It was. And we’re 9 months into the Obama admin, so we expect change. Or at least some hope of change. But we’re still seeing unemployment heading the wrong direction. It’s time we hung the problem around Obama’s neck as he’s the guy in charge.
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The thing that you guys are forgetting is that, historically, unemployment won’t even peak until months after a recession is over.
You’re right, there is no difference between me and republicans. Your point?
I think it just proves that Bush=Obama, since for the most part, they are doing the same thing to the economy. And if I remember right you where very critical of bush, so I can expect the same out of you for Obama right? [/quote]
I was more critical of Bush for his attempts at misdirection regarding causes for war. I don’t think that Obama has been misleading, and I’m sure not one of you has been surprised with the path he has taken.
You’re right, there is no difference between me and republicans. Your point?
I think it just proves that Bush=Obama, since for the most part, they are doing the same thing to the economy. And if I remember right you where very critical of bush, so I can expect the same out of you for Obama right?
I was more critical of Bush for his attempts at misdirection regarding causes for war. I don’t think that Obama has been misleading, and I’m sure not one of you has been surprised with the path he has taken.[/quote]
I wouldn’t say I am surprised. But if you tried to say what he was going to do with the war during the election, they either flat out denied it or called you a racist.
How has Obama not been misleading? He talked up Mccrystal till the troop request came in. He tried to say Iran was hiding a nuke facility, even tho they reported it a while ago.
The thing that you guys are forgetting is that historically, unemployment won’t even peak until months after a recession is over.[/quote]
What we are going through is the first sign’s of stimulus withdrawal. The 3.5% in GDP growth the white house has been trying to use to say it is almost over is a lie. The 3.5% was public sector spending.
When there is no stimulus we will finally be able to have the recession we should have had when the .com bubble burst.
[quote]borrek wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
borrek wrote:
John S. wrote:
JN7844 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Thank you George Bush
I don’t get it. You want to blame the current state of the US economy on Bush?
He hasn’t figured out yet Bush isn’t President anymore.
TARP was a Bush program. The right cried “but, Clinton!” for years, so turnabout is fair play.
It was. And we’re 9 months into the Obama admin, so we expect change. Or at least some hope of change. But we’re still seeing unemployment heading the wrong direction. It’s time we hung the problem around Obama’s neck as he’s the guy in charge.
The thing that you guys are forgetting is that, historically, unemployment won’t even peak until months after a recession is over.[/quote]
Yes, that keeps getting repeated to us. Have you ever asked for any hard proof of that assertion?
Democrat legislators started the fire under Bush’s watch. Obama has proceeded to try putting the fire out with gasoline.
Bush and the Republicans should have nipped the bullshit, subprime, everyone deserves to buy a home bullshit in the ass when they could. Instead they were complacent through inaction as the Democrats set banking and insurance policy based on social objectives, rather than economic common sense.
So yes, Bush helped start the fire. But Obama is now responsible for spreading it.
The jobless rate rose to 10.2 percent from 9.8 percent in September. The jump reflects a sharp increase in the tally of unemployed Americans, which rose to 15.7 million from 15.1 million. That was much larger than the net loss of jobs, which is based on a survey of businesses.
Counting those who have settled for part-time jobs or stopped looking for work, the unemployment rate would be 17.5 percent, the highest on records dating from 1994.[/quote]
What happens when unemployment insurance runs out? States are virtually bankrupt. Soon they simply will not have the money to help anyone. THAT’S when all hell breaks loose.
“As we have long argued, because the current bear market is of one larger degree than that of 1929-1932, the depression it creates will be deeper, which in turn means that the unemployment rate will exceed that of 1933. The peak rate in 1933 was 25 percent. Therefore, unemployment in the U.S. should rise to about 33 percent at the trough of this depression.”
— Robert Prechter
It does not matter whose fault it is that it started, its that nobody is taking the measures to fix this. Extending unemployment benefits, tax credits, cash for clunkers is a joke. They are trying to fix a problem of essentially maxing out a credit card by paying it off with another credit card. Higher interest rates need to return, and if you want to stimulate job growth cut the corporate tax rate. People arent hiring because this administration is more unpredictable than a bitch on her period. They simply dont know what regulations they are going to have to swallow. Of course its always right to pay for things by just “taxing the rich” , they dont deserve their money anyhow. This is a simplistic minded looter system merely paying lip service to free enterprise while destroying it.
I am a grad of april 2009 from University of Pittsburgh (good schoo) dual degree in Economics and Geology 3.2 gpa overall and I cant get a job despite applying for stuff a few hours a day. I have so many damn business cards from assholes “we’ll call you in 2 weeks” I dont know what to do with. This is truly a fucked up stituation, but I dont sit on my ass, I still go out there and try to get work. The postings are mainly for people with 2-4 years experience, ie those that graduated in the bubble economy, where sign on bonuses were the norm, thus they get the available jobs now and the people that just graduated dont get the experience, and thus avicious cycle ensues.
People that graduated in the past year, I would love to hear your story too, maybe we can put our brains together and accomplish something.
The jobless rate rose to 10.2 percent from 9.8 percent in September. The jump reflects a sharp increase in the tally of unemployed Americans, which rose to 15.7 million from 15.1 million. That was much larger than the net loss of jobs, which is based on a survey of businesses.
Counting those who have settled for part-time jobs or stopped looking for work, the unemployment rate would be 17.5 percent, the highest on records dating from 1994.
What happens when unemployment insurance runs out? States are virtually bankrupt. Soon they simply will not have the money to help anyone. THAT’S when all hell breaks loose.
“As we have long argued, because the current bear market is of one larger degree than that of 1929-1932, the depression it creates will be deeper, which in turn means that the unemployment rate will exceed that of 1933. The peak rate in 1933 was 25 percent. Therefore, unemployment in the U.S. should rise to about 33 percent at the trough of this depression.”
— Robert Prechter
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We are about to witness the second Revolution. I think if this Health care bill passes the Senate it will happen even quicker.
[quote]John S. wrote:
We are about to witness the second Revolution. I think if this Health care bill passes the Senate it will happen even quicker.
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[quote]borrek wrote:
John S. wrote:
We are about to witness the second Revolution. I think if this Health care bill passes the Senate it will happen even quicker.
You are starting to lose your mind.
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Read history, what happens every time the money fails?
Look at what happened in the Wiemar republic. When the money fails who are they going to blame. The rich. It just so happened in the Wiemar Republic the rich where the Jews. Who did the People of the Wiemar Republic turn to next?
Will we allow that to happen here? Maybe I doubt it.
In this bill if you can not afford Health Insurance you are going to jail for 5 years. This isn’t helping the poor its getting rid of them. What is going to happen when you send that many innocent people to prison? A riot perhaps. The government comes in and takes out most of them. Bam Eugenics at its finest.
Who are the poor you may ask. Well if we want to look at people by race, can we say most by % are black and Hispanic?
All one has too do is look at the progressive movement of the early 1900’s to see whats taking place.
While there are still a few people that are in dream land like yourself. I think within the next year or so you will be thinking the same thing I am.
[quote]John S. wrote:
borrek wrote:
John S. wrote:
We are about to witness the second Revolution. I think if this Health care bill passes the Senate it will happen even quicker.
You are starting to lose your mind.
Read history, what happens every time the money fails?
Look at what happened in the Wiemar republic. When the money fails who are they going to blame. The rich. It just so happened in the Wiemar Republic the rich where the Jews. Who did the People of the Wiemar Republic turn to next?
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It is a joke to equate any modern, first world country with the Weimar republic. With the state of how money is made and traded now, I think one can barely even draw parallels between the 1980s US economy and our current economy.
I’m not really on board with this bill, and it feels terribly rushed, but I kind of hope it passes now so you can look back in a few years and feel silly for saying this.
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While there are still a few people that are in dream land like yourself. I think within the next year or so you will be thinking the same thing I am.[/quote]
The politics of opinion aside, I think you are losing grip.
I am a grad of april 2009 from University of Pittsburgh (good schoo) dual degree in Economics and Geology 3.2 gpa overall and I cant get a job despite applying for stuff a few hours a day. I have so many damn business cards from assholes “we’ll call you in 2 weeks” I dont know what to do with. This is truly a fucked up stituation, but I dont sit on my ass, I still go out there and try to get work. The postings are mainly for people with 2-4 years experience, ie those that graduated in the bubble economy, where sign on bonuses were the norm, thus they get the available jobs now and the people that just graduated dont get the experience, and thus avicious cycle ensues.
People that graduated in the past year, I would love to hear your story too, maybe we can put our brains together and accomplish something.[/quote]
Apply to the military for Officer Candidate School. Navy is best, but I’m prejudiced (son goes to Annapolis).
We have a fiat currency they had a fiat currency. They printed a lot of it. We are printing a lot of it.
The value of there money went down, the value of our money went down.
They thought they could spend there way out of anything, we think we can spend our way out of anything.
India is dumping the dollar, China is about too. When China finally does expect the EU to dump it. Lets face it there is no difference between what we are doing and what the Wiemar Republic did.
It is said that those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.
The CBO says insurance will rise to 15k for a family of 4. If you do not have insurance you have to pay a 25k fine or you go to jail for 5 years.
If you can not afford 15k for a family of 4 how are you going to afford 25k? Looks like a lot of people are going to jail.
From the sounds of the Senate it looks like this bill is DOA. so at least we won’t have to worry about that for the time being.
The real problem is the currency, and when it falls(within the next 2 years the real collapse will begin) you will find that I actually am one of the few that has a tight grip on reality.
[quote]borrek wrote:
John S. wrote:
We are about to witness the second Revolution. I think if this Health care bill passes the Senate it will happen even quicker.
You are starting to lose your mind.
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I would disagree, I know a number of people who feel the same way, most just wouldn’t talk about it, yet, in front of those who would make comments like that.
The site I work at has about 5000 employees total and I would that falls in line with at least 50% of the people. But I live in an area that votes and calls itself democratic but holds very consertative priniciples. You know we like us sum guns and bibles here.
Can I claim bigotry start a special interest group,
I am a grad of april 2009 from University of Pittsburgh (good schoo) dual degree in Economics and Geology 3.2 gpa overall and I cant get a job despite applying for stuff a few hours a day. I have so many damn business cards from assholes “we’ll call you in 2 weeks” I dont know what to do with. This is truly a fucked up stituation, but I dont sit on my ass, I still go out there and try to get work. The postings are mainly for people with 2-4 years experience, ie those that graduated in the bubble economy, where sign on bonuses were the norm, thus they get the available jobs now and the people that just graduated dont get the experience, and thus avicious cycle ensues.
People that graduated in the past year, I would love to hear your story too, maybe we can put our brains together and accomplish something.
Apply to the military for Officer Candidate School. Navy is best, but I’m prejudiced (son goes to Annapolis).
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I applaud the help, however if you read my post on “why we are in afghanistan” I think you would understand my leanings on wars. Nothing wrong with the military at all, kudos to your son for getting a great education. I, personally, do not know if I could fight wars that I do not believe in. Which is a shame because I loved the military growing up, and I am not some sort of hippie, I just feel we have flawed foreign policy, and if one is going to fight in a war, they should be prepared to explain why.
On the bright side, I have an interview with Teach For America (if anyone has experience with this chime in). Alot of the nations problems (economic, prison stats…etc) can be fixed with proper education, though many schools now fall by the wayside. If this country follows the lead of several charter schools (KIPP, and BASIC) we can be much better off. Educational oppurtunity should not be restricted to your property value if you catch my drift.
Your post buys into the government’s and teachers union argument that the problem with government schools is not having enough money, whether from property taxes or wherever.
This is not so.
I doubt you can find a SINGLE district in the country that does not spend more per student than a private school that can be found relatively close by that does a FAR better job than any of the government schools in the district.
It’s not the “property value” of the nearby homes and resulting taxation that limits the quality of government-school education.
Tell me how it works out that for example $9000 per student per year for a classroom of say 30 students (fairly typical in government schools) somehow isn’t enough money to teach them for a year – and not even anything like all the year, at that. It’s $270 frikkin’ K!
Forgive me for alluding to something such as that, you mistook my point. I do not believe in throwing money at the problem, I am merely referring to public schools in more affluent areas have access to better educational resources than inner city schools. This is unrefutable. I do not see money as the solution however. My example of private schools such as KIPP and BASIC reflect that the incentives of teaching and methodologies themselves must change. Higher standards for teachers as well as higher salaries and changing the stigma “those that cant do, teach” would create a lot of progress in this country. Leave teachers to experiment with their methodologies, reward those that succeed and not those that fail. Stop catering to no child left behind. Inner city school kids are passed on to the next grade without often achieving basic standards of literacy or mathematics. Thus other students who are up to par, generally not many, are taught down to. Thus a radical overhaul needs to take place and early.
Schools like KIPP actually turn these students around in a year or two and have them excel. Tell me what use is affirmative action sending a child to college that cannot perform 10th grade algebra… I believe in teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish, and teaching is not easy if one wants to teach well. I apologize for alluding to the wrong reasoning however.
Just curious…are the temp agencies suffering in the USA? Here in Canada they have taken over. There are jobs out there, but they are mostly full-time/temp. Companys just string you along so they don’t pay benefits. Plus they don’t pay well.
When I read here people say I’ve been out of work for a year, I think wtf?..go to an agency, it suck but its work.
I’m not calling anyone lazy, just curious as to the differences between Canada and USA in regards to this subject.