[quote]Rape Weight wrote:
Should’ve worn a seatbelt. Hopefully he gets ticketed for that too.[/quote]
I bet he does:)
What would really put the icing on the cake would be finding out at the end that the Perp was someone suffering from diabetic shock and had no plausible control over their previous actions. That would be pure gold.
Read somewhere that many times the reason a police beating happens is normal procedures were not followed and/or there was a pack mentality. They find after high speed pursuits the adrenaline is so high especially after the suspect tried to injure a cop.
Had the cops followed normal procedure wouldn’t they have drawn their weapons and told him to put his hands where they can see. could have ended up with him dead, at least more likely than the beating would have.
I think only a cop knows how things really feel in that situation. I was riding with a group (motorcycles) and a woman pulled out and killed one of the riders. If it had been a slightly different situation (who I was riding with) and the driver had not had her son she would have likely been injured after the incident.
Thinking that someone killed or tried to kill one of your friends or family will raise anyones blood pressure. I’m not excusing what they did but I can understand it. I can even forgive it.
The officers obviously shouldn’t have beaten an unconscious guy, but the adjectives being used and the punishment given out were extreme. The first officer definitely overreacted, and the officer at his head overreacted. Those two guys should have been disciplined. The others didn’t seem to do more than throw a punch or a kick or two, which given the circumstances should be forgivable.
Officers 2-5 probably reacted in part to what the first officer did. Showing the guys photo is misleading as well. He was just thrown from a rolling vehicle. I doubt any of the marks on his face or his neck injury were due to the “unbelievable police brutality.”
I don’t think you guys can straight up say the guy was trying to run over the cop. The stupid fucking cop was running out in front of the on coming van throwing out spike strips… and what do you know, the van is trying to swerve to avoid them. The cop being right there is his own idiot fault. There were cruisers around which could obviously spin the guy out and stop him.
The conduct of those officers was fucking infantile.
Amazing to me how people justify the cops actions. The topic is not “was the suspect innocent or guilty,” but rather, were the cops’ conduct acceptable.
The answer is simply, no. It is illegal. If police are supposed to uphold the law, then what is the law worth if they break it themselves.
The argument most of you are presenting would allow me to do as I please because I simply feel that my actions are justified. I’m amazed how at most people here justify the cops. It’s acceptable for this guy (cops) to hurt someone, but not for another (suspect).
It’s not the heat, it’s the stupidity. I see why that saying never dies.
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
The conduct of those officers was fucking infantile.[/quote]
Agreed. I’m not some soft weak liberal pussy who wants to soft peddle criminals. Dealing with some human vermin like this is exactly like dealing with the four legged kind. If I catch a raccoon in the barn, I’ll shoot it. Once. In the head. I don’t beat it, abuse it, torture it or celebrate. I recognize that it’s a pestiferous creature and I deal with it, swiftly and terminally. I don’t go beyond the limits of my humanity and common sense.
That’s what I expect from law enforcement officers. Kill the mother fuckers that need killed, but do it swiftly, humanely and with the professionalism I would expect from someone given so much power over his peers.
Don’t beat someone if they don’t need beat. I’m not convinced that this guy needed beat.
Sometimes, I think people should see this type of shit (the beating I mean) so they know they won’t get off so easy. I mean, if you are capable of doing stupid shit like this, maybe you need some sense beaten into you. Lord know how close he was to hurting or killing some innocent person, IMO, he should have gotten beaten worse.
That tape is almost a year old and has just surfaced. The guy plead guilty and is now serving twenty years for his crime. He got his, twice. Now the cops are fired and they’re going after the supervisors that tried to cover up the beating. One can’t enforce the law by breaking it, unless you enjoy total anarchy, because that’s where that shit leads to. The law is the law, for everyone no exception. It’s either that or surival of the most cunning, not the fittest. Way to many guns around for that. One can’t have it both ways.
Cops are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. I’m one of those people that would be willing to look the other way. The scumbag deserved it.
It should not matter whether the suspect was innocent or guilty (strange as that sounds). The question is whether the cops acted in a rational manner, followed procedure in all ways, ect. The cops in this case did not. However I can understand why they acted this way. Had they followed procedure or had they not gone into a high speed case (which is banned in many jurisdictions for the reason it leads to rash behavior on the cops part, and often violence)
Police deal with many things that a non-police officer will never have to deal with. I do not judge them as completely evil on the grounds of an action from the heat of the moment when their blood was running high. should they have been reprimanded and disciplined? Yes. Call for their blood? No.
I am a teacher and love how many people on a day to day basis tell me how I should do my job differently or how I only work short days or any of the other things people say. What does this have to do with anything? Many times there are issues with students and you cannot deal with them the way you would as a non-teacher.
If I am struck by a student, even a full grown 18 year old male student, I am not allowed to strike back. Obviously I would never purposely strike a student, and this is a good rule for things might get “awkward”. I can understand why another teacher who was by reaction struck back. If I am ever struck by a student I hope I am able to hold back and not do what nature and all of my instincts tell me to do “defend myself” and do what society tells me to do stand and take it.
I don’t mean to come off as if I am looking for this but a teacher in a school near mine was fired. A male 18 year old student smacked her in the face was standing over her intimidatingly, she struck him by reaction and due to fear. Nothing happened to the student, well less than if he was caught fighting.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
Amazing to me how people justify the cops actions. The topic is not “was the suspect innocent or guilty,” but rather, were the cops’ conduct acceptable.
The answer is simply, no. It is illegal. If police are supposed to uphold the law, then what is the law worth if they break it themselves.
The argument most of you are presenting would allow me to do as I please because I simply feel that my actions are justified. I’m amazed how at most people here justify the cops. It’s acceptable for this guy (cops) to hurt someone, but not for another (suspect).
It’s not the heat, it’s the stupidity. I see why that saying never dies.
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That’s very smug of you to say. No wonder fewer and fewer want to become cops anymore. They are not allowed to be human beings. Trying to run someone over with a car is certainly reason enough to deserve an asskicking is it not? I know they were unprofessional, but put yourself in their shoes. Being a cop is shitty thankless job!!
They should have just shot him, they were justified. Save all the hassle and their jobs.
And about the teacher being fired, this country is going to shit.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
Amazing to me how people justify the cops actions. The topic is not “was the suspect innocent or guilty,” but rather, were the cops’ conduct acceptable.
The answer is simply, no. It is illegal. If police are supposed to uphold the law, then what is the law worth if they break it themselves.
The argument most of you are presenting would allow me to do as I please because I simply feel that my actions are justified. I’m amazed how at most people here justify the cops. It’s acceptable for this guy (cops) to hurt someone, but not for another (suspect).
It’s not the heat, it’s the stupidity. I see why that saying never dies.
That’s very smug of you to say. No wonder fewer and fewer want to become cops anymore. They are not allowed to be human beings. Trying to run someone over with a car is certainly reason enough to deserve an asskicking is it not? I know they were unprofessional, but put yourself in their shoes. Being a cop is shitty thankless job!!
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They tried to cover it up. That’s criminal conspiracy. The guy got 20 years for his wrong doing. That’s one hell of a sentence for almost hurting someone.
Yes being a cop is a hell of a job. It is however a “CHOOSEN PROFESSION”. If you can’t handle the job move on, you do not have the right to inflict harm on others simply because you’re pissed off. That’s what criminals do and they go to prison for doing it.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
That’s very smug of you to say. No wonder fewer and fewer want to become cops anymore. They are not allowed to be human beings. Trying to run someone over with a car is certainly reason enough to deserve an asskicking is it not? I know they were unprofessional, but put yourself in their shoes. Being a cop is shitty thankless job!!
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Yeah, an ass kicking was deserved, but not by the cops. I wanted to be a cop when I was younger, but then I relised that too many of them break the law. They are allowed to be human beings, they can choose to either follow and up hold the law, or not. They chose not to, so they got fired. I thank the cops all the time, most of them happen to be law abiding citizens.
People who say cops are only human, probably think they should be able to wield their mighty cocks on all citizens as they see fit. Probably thought the Patriot Act is good, and that big brother is a wonderful idea.
[quote]conorh wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
The conduct of those officers was fucking infantile.
Agreed. I’m not some soft weak liberal pussy who wants to soft peddle criminals. Dealing with some human vermin like this is exactly like dealing with the four legged kind. If I catch a raccoon in the barn, I’ll shoot it. Once. In the head. I don’t beat it, abuse it, torture it or celebrate. I recognize that it’s a pestiferous creature and I deal with it, swiftly and terminally. I don’t go beyond the limits of my humanity and common sense.
That’s what I expect from law enforcement officers. Kill the mother fuckers that need killed, but do it swiftly, humanely and with the professionalism I would expect from someone given so much power over his peers.
Don’t beat someone if they don’t need beat. I’m not convinced that this guy needed beat.[/quote]
Totally agree. That’s why I love North Korea and Taliban’s Afganistan, no need of a trial over there, a bullet straight in your head!
I think the Patriot act is a horrible idea and I think that cops are only human. We cannot expect anyone to live above their own humanity. Oh, I also think seatbelt laws are stupid especially if you can be pulled over for it. If the ass kicking was deserved but it should not be delivered by the cops who should deliver it?
If we give people (soldiers, criminals, citizens) the understanding that under immensely stressful situations they may act unlike themselves shouldn’t we give cops the same understanding.
Again I am by no means saying all cops should be excused, or even that these particular cops should be. I am saying that there are times when we need to understand why something happened. Things are never black and white. If a cop is dangerous or does not follow procedure he is a danger to society and his other officers. This officer should not be on the force. But there are times when we think we can hold people above an attainable standard. that leads to problems.
If there is a cover up then yes the parties responsible should be fired. It’s one thing to do it. another to cover it up, this shows you thought you were wrong and in a non defend able position.
What was that cop thinking when he ran out in the middle of a busy freeway? Hell the guy in the black car could have hit him too. That asshole deserves jail time but he doesn’t deserve getting jumped by a gang of cops especially being unconscious, hell he could have been dead already.