Being a UCLA student, it sucks royally to have this shit going on: both the increases and the rioting. The rioting especially. It makes no sense to go protest to the board of regents because they have two options: raise tuition to cover for the state’s lack of money, or dropping classes. I’m already on the 5 year track because I couldn’t get classes, and I sure as hell don’t want to end up finishing my degree when I’m 30. If they wanted to do something, they should be protesting the mismanagement of their money at the state level.
Also, on a related note, undie run was cancelled because some jerk-offs kept throwing cones through the library windows. Rioting and violence only screws things up for the rest of us.
[quote]thephantom wrote:
Being a UCLA student, it sucks royally to have this shit going on: both the increases and the rioting. The rioting especially. It makes no sense to go protest to the board of regents because they have two options: raise tuition to cover for the state’s lack of money, or dropping classes. I’m already on the 5 year track because I couldn’t get classes, and I sure as hell don’t want to end up finishing my degree when I’m 30. If they wanted to do something, they should be protesting the mismanagement of their money at the state level.
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The state shouldn’t be involved in the School at all. All they have done is inflate the prices, this has nothing to do with lack of funding. The staff understands inflation is about to hit and they don’t want there standard of living to decrease.
Think about it we just went the the most massive credit crunch since the great depression and prices are rising.
If you think the state is the problem, then you are getting played.
[quote]thephantom wrote:
Being a UCLA student, it sucks royally to have this shit going on: both the increases and the rioting. The rioting especially. It makes no sense to go protest to the board of regents because they have two options: raise tuition to cover for the state’s lack of money, or dropping classes. I’m already on the 5 year track because I couldn’t get classes, and I sure as hell don’t want to end up finishing my degree when I’m 30. If they wanted to do something, they should be protesting the mismanagement of their money at the state level.
Also, on a related note, undie run was cancelled because some jerk-offs kept throwing cones through the library windows. Rioting and violence only screws things up for the rest of us. [/quote]
What is your degree track?
Think about this: these “rioters” are supposed to act better than freaking animals. Instead, our future “college graduates” are acting like Latin American Commies.
There are already too many people going to college as it is. As far as I’m concerned, they can shut the entire UC system down. All of the science/engineering work is going overseas and all of the humanities majors turn out to be nothing but waiters, diversity apparatchiks, or low-level cogs in federal employment. Maybe they’ll go to law school so they can compete with all of the third-worlders brought in to practice conlaw in the basement of some big firm.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
thephantom wrote:
Being a UCLA student, it sucks royally to have this shit going on: both the increases and the rioting. The rioting especially. It makes no sense to go protest to the board of regents because they have two options: raise tuition to cover for the state’s lack of money, or dropping classes. I’m already on the 5 year track because I couldn’t get classes, and I sure as hell don’t want to end up finishing my degree when I’m 30. If they wanted to do something, they should be protesting the mismanagement of their money at the state level.
Also, on a related note, undie run was cancelled because some jerk-offs kept throwing cones through the library windows. Rioting and violence only screws things up for the rest of us.
What is your degree track?
Think about this: these “rioters” are supposed to act better than freaking animals. Instead, our future “college graduates” are acting like Latin American Commies.
There are already too many people going to college as it is. As far as I’m concerned, they can shut the entire UC system down. All of the science/engineering work is going overseas and all of the humanities majors turn out to be nothing but waiters, diversity apparatchiks, or low-level cogs in federal employment. Maybe they’ll go to law school so they can compete with all of the third-worlders brought in to practice conlaw in the basement of some big firm.
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Exactly. We need people who work with their hands and actually make stuff and invent stuff. Making stuff is what made America Great.
Everyone wants the respect and Title and $$$ that’s achieved from a lifetime of work and effort. Except they want it NOW. As in Right now. All this working for a decade to get anywhere is played out. Who’s got time for that? Quick and Easy.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, that’s OBVIOUSLY not enough taxation… too much money is still being given to the rich, else of course the state would have the money to subsidize tuition just as much as before.
(Taking less than every last dollar by taxation constitutes “giving” the remainder, you know.)[/quote]
Well it really does when you think about it.
Who decides what part of your money you get to keep?
They own you and your productivity and they allow you to keep the whatever they think is enough.
[quote]John S. wrote:
leaftye wrote:
That may be true at all levels. Hell, we keep voting against things that are good for us. In San Diego we need new water sources and water storage, but we keep fighting against them while approving new large housing developments. We voted against alternative energy. We backed of on electric vehicles AFTER electric vehicles had already been developed at great expense. We refuse to allow a solar energy plant to be built even thought we the customers have already been charged for it in full. Now we’re backing off on our commitment to educate those citizens that should be generating jobs and tax revenue in the future. That’s all levels of education too. We’re pretty much screwed for the next 20 years.
People are going to start fleeing from your state.[/quote]
If the federal government starts to bail out governments that would not only stop to make sense but also what little is left of a budgetary discipline on a state level would completely break down.
I can think of at least one state that is going to crawl to this administration in the next few years and this development will kill any nullification and state rights movements.
Think about this: these “rioters” are supposed to act better than freaking animals. Instead, our future “college graduates” are acting like Latin American Commies.
There are already too many people going to college as it is. As far as I’m concerned, they can shut the entire UC system down. All of the science/engineering work is going overseas and all of the humanities majors turn out to be nothing but waiters, diversity apparatchiks, or low-level cogs in federal employment. Maybe they’ll go to law school so they can compete with all of the third-worlders brought in to practice conlaw in the basement of some big firm.
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I agree with you until the engineering going oversees… actually, the united states steel companies are competitive world wide and turning a profit even now… most auto makers (foreign) are building plants here because our skilled labor is the cheapest in the world… and as an engineering graduate student its not hard at all to get an engineering job even with this economy…
But I completely agree that too many people think they have the “right” to get a college degree in something useless and have the rest of us pay the bill… its ridiculous…
[quote]Gregus wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
thephantom wrote:
Being a UCLA student, it sucks royally to have this shit going on: both the increases and the rioting. The rioting especially. It makes no sense to go protest to the board of regents because they have two options: raise tuition to cover for the state’s lack of money, or dropping classes. I’m already on the 5 year track because I couldn’t get classes, and I sure as hell don’t want to end up finishing my degree when I’m 30. If they wanted to do something, they should be protesting the mismanagement of their money at the state level.
Also, on a related note, undie run was cancelled because some jerk-offs kept throwing cones through the library windows. Rioting and violence only screws things up for the rest of us.
What is your degree track?
Think about this: these “rioters” are supposed to act better than freaking animals. Instead, our future “college graduates” are acting like Latin American Commies.
There are already too many people going to college as it is. As far as I’m concerned, they can shut the entire UC system down. All of the science/engineering work is going overseas and all of the humanities majors turn out to be nothing but waiters, diversity apparatchiks, or low-level cogs in federal employment. Maybe they’ll go to law school so they can compete with all of the third-worlders brought in to practice conlaw in the basement of some big firm.
Exactly. We need people who work with their hands and actually make stuff and invent stuff. Making stuff is what made America Great.
Everyone wants the respect and Title and $$$ that’s achieved from a lifetime of work and effort. Except they want it NOW. As in Right now. All this working for a decade to get anywhere is played out. Who’s got time for that? Quick and Easy. [/quote]
BINGO
We don’t make shit anymore, not in America at least. The only thing we make is debt. We have outsourced everything to save money on labor costs, but it has come at the downfall of our society. Money that is made within the US is recycled back into the US through purchase of goods and services, and it’s good for everyone involved. Win-win for everyone.
If we as a nation provide health care services to each other, do manicures for each other, produce entertainment for ourselves, serve food to ourselves and so forth, and have government take care of handling all this, then we are all set. Buying from overseas all the stuff we need with regards to actual goods works out just peachy keen.
You just don’t understand economics. Actually producing goods is not relevant. If you were more educated you would know this.
I also suspect you don’t understand the environment. Drilling in America or off of our shores hurts the environment because of carbon footprint and the possibility of oil spills, don’cha know. Buying the same amount of oil drilled overseas is better for the planet because it’s, like, drilled further away.
It is also better for our economy to take other people’s oil (for money) than to drill American oil.
Think about this: these “rioters” are supposed to act better than freaking animals. Instead, our future “college graduates” are acting like Latin American Commies.
There are already too many people going to college as it is. As far as I’m concerned, they can shut the entire UC system down. All of the science/engineering work is going overseas and all of the humanities majors turn out to be nothing but waiters, diversity apparatchiks, or low-level cogs in federal employment. Maybe they’ll go to law school so they can compete with all of the third-worlders brought in to practice conlaw in the basement of some big firm.
I agree with you until the engineering going oversees… actually, the united states steel companies are competitive world wide and turning a profit even now… most auto makers (foreign) are building plants here because our skilled labor is the cheapest in the world… and as an engineering graduate student its not hard at all to get an engineering job even with this economy… [/quote]
Is steel production labor intensive? Is auto production? Most of it is roboticized.
I was out of work 6 months. I just now got a job. MOst of the engineering is following the manufacturing overseas. The electrical engineering that remains is mostly defense-related and even that will go away once Gates gets finished with his downsizing.
All of the entry-level engineering and software jobs can be done much cheaper in India and China. What that means is that there will be few entry-level jobs here from which to build the necessary experience to move up the career ladder (something the Thomas Friedmans of the world don’t tell you). In fact, 25% of the jobs in the US are in danger of being outsourced, and we already have 17.5% unemployment.
Engineering jobs are not easy to get except for the most aggressive candidates. I hate to break it to you.
But I completely agree that too many people think they have the “right” to get a college degree in something useless and have the rest of us pay the bill… its ridiculous…[/quote]
If we as a nation provide health care services to each other, do manicures for each other, produce entertainment for ourselves, serve food to ourselves and so forth, and have government take care of handling all this, then we are all set. Buying from overseas all the stuff we need with regards to actual goods works out just peachy keen.
You just don’t understand economics. Actually producing goods is not relevant. If you were more educated you would know this.
I also suspect you don’t understand the environment. Drilling in America or off of our shores hurts the environment because of carbon footprint and the possibility of oil spills, don’cha know. Buying the same amount of oil drilled overseas is better for the planet because it’s, like, drilled further away.
It is also better for our economy to take other people’s oil (for money) than to drill American oil.
You wingnuts are just stupid, really.[/quote]
What’s hilarious is that it’s really only “wingnuts” who use the environment. Hunting, fishing, camping, diving, surfing - these are done largely by right-wingers who like guns and have blue-collar jobs and families they need to take on vacation cheaply.
Sure, there are plenty of SWPLs who pull up to the local trail in their Priuses to go for a hike now and then, but for the most part, they think getting dirty is icky. They prefer to vacation in places with wireless internet and 60 Hz A/C outlets for their laptops so that they can keep up their preaching/whining online while they’re gone.
What is really sick is that people cry about increases in taxes but forget where funding for parts of their social infrastructure come from.
Does anyone know EXACTLY how the UC and CSU systems work with respect to being a closed, economic system? I mean, they can never truly sustain themselves, right?
What if we switched them to a polytechnic tuition structure, where certain majors pay more tuition due to their facilities and larger faculty?