Yeah, come to think of it you are correct. The Boer war? Right?
And the Nazi’s used Turkey’s extermination of the Armenians as a model of the Holocaust…
Wow, imagine that, your relatives learned from…the muslims!!
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Subject: City Councilman Ejected
T. Bubba Bechtol, part time City Councilman from Pensacola, Florida, was asked on a local live radio talk show the other day just what he thought of the allegations of torture of the Iraqi prisoners. His reply prompted his ejection from the studio, but to thunderous applause from the audience.
"If hooking up an Iraqi prisoner’s scrotum to a car’s battery cables will save one American GI’s life, then I have just two things to say:
“Red is positive, black is negative”
Comments: True, sort of. A quick Google search reveals that there is a T. Bubba Bechtol, that he lives in Pensacola, Florida, and that he did make public comments resembling the above.
Mr. Bechtol is not, however Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? nor has he ever been Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? a city councilman, “part-time” or otherwise; he’s an entertainer, self-described on his Website as a stand-up comic/recording artist.
On his Weblog, Bechtol says he made the statement during a July 2004 performance, “and radio has picked it up and ran with it.” His words were transcribed into an email towards the end of August and have circulated on the Internet ever since.
“Yes, I said it,” writes Bechtol. “No, I’m not sorry I said it and I meant every word of it and I will continue to use it in my show when appropriate. It is exactly how I feel.”
I’m sure there is more evidence of Americans supporting “bad” things, on equal keel with those Libyans celebrating the lockerbie bombers release.[/quote]
Better example, for my stance on that issue see the torture threads. I’ve adamantly argued that doing things like water boarding makes us no different than them.
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Agreed.
But the fact remains, some americans support torture. Some americans act in bad taste. To try to say Americans always handle atrocities better isn’t true.[/quote]
Call me a sick fuck - but understand there is nothing I wouldn’t do to secure information from a terrorist suspect that may save the lives of not only Americans, but whatever country may be in the crosshairs of the threat. The suspicion should predicate the tactics obviously, but moral qualm is a weakness reserved for those who sling comments from the comforts of their own safety, provided by people who understand when it comes to war, emotion and morality are nothing more than a conversational piece.
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You’re equally immoral as any terrorist, then.[/quote]
Lets put this closer to home.
You have a known enemy that issues a death threat against one of your loved ones and follows through with said threat. An additional threat is issued on another family member and you happen to encounter and capture an associate of those enacting the atrocities against your family. What would you do to obtain any information from this person that would stop the threat and possible death of your loved one and how moral and politically correct would you be?[/quote]
Ah, the torture lovers dream scenerio - clearly guilty party obviously has valuable information, and the “only way” to get it is torture. What do you do??
Now, reality: lets say I decide I want you in jail. So I capture one of your “associates” and use “special interrogation techniques” on him until he “admits” that you were responsible for, oh, I dunno, the dinosaurs dying out.
Should I be able to arrest you based on that “evidence”?[/quote]
My scenario I agree with, I will say that I also agree with you. This argument is specific to theater and motivation.
Am I correct in saying that you have never deployed or spent time in a country that harbors terrorists?
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I’m in America, aren’t I? Are there no terrorists in America?
The argument is that you DONT give the government the opporotunity to manufacture “evidence” however they please - nevermind that stooping to that level makes us just as bad as them and turns more moderates against us.[/quote]
In this statement, I agree with you.